buckley jr., and he ge you a glowing introduction. listen to this. >> i first met fareed zakaria when he was the undergraduate president of the yale political union and presided over a debate i had there with senator orge mcgovern. his sharp mind and pen have moved him very quickly to young eminence in foreign-policy analysis. >> quite a compliment. and at the same time, fareed, your politics have had their own journey since the time you appeared on "firing line" and since the time you were the head of the yale political union. how has your political journey, starting with the right -- how has it progressed? >> bill and i used to joke about this. the last time i saw him, we went sailing off the coast of connectic, and he was very generous, personally, and he would never try to needle you, but he started to tease me about it. and i said to him, "look, i think the best and most honest answer would be this. i have changed a certain amount, but the right has also changed a fair amount. i would argue that the right has changed more than i

buckley jr., and it ran for 33 years. in the orinal incarnation of the program, in 1990, william f. buckley jr. welcomed nobel laureate economist milton friedn, and the program was entitled "what do we owe our country?" i'd like to share with you a clip from that program and get your reaction afterwards. here it is. >> society is a vehicle, which will give -- continue to protect your sons and mine, and that it has -- we have, therefore, an interest in the shape of that society. >> of course we do. but the question is, why is it that you have had so much of a reduction in the sense of gratitude? in my opinion, it's primarily because we have been doing so much through government. it's primarily because we have an overblown, overgrown government, and as a result, we have destroyed a sense of individual responsibility and responsibility to one another. now, everybody takes it for granted that if there's a problem, the government's going to take care of it. >> do you agree withhis argument that the government can take on too much and that can crowd out the private sphere's initiative and

in the new era, in the social media era, gatekeepers like william f buckley jr. no longer exist. and so it's incumbent on people to police their own institutions. and some conservatives have done a better job than others of that. >> but we're not seeing that kind of gatekeeping even from leadership. >> right? right. well, i think there's a problem. there's a tribal instinct that kicks in, especially these days, too, when republicans or conservatives see the liberals in the media or in politics saying one thing, they instantly want to be against it. and there's a rallying behind the opposing idea. and you see that playing out now with discussions over culpability for this awful act in buffalo. >> when you talk about the populist movement kind of gaining ground, the largest conservative conference is goi to be hosted in hungary, right, with viktor orban as their keynote speaker, who is an ally of vladimir putin. what does that say to you about where that conservative center of gravity is right now? and does it alarm you? >> it does. it's important to me as an american conservative

. >> this program, "firing line," was originally hosted by william f. buckley jr. education and education funding was an issue that buckley tackled periodically throughout his 33 years of hosting. and in 13, on this program, they said th about education funding. take a look. >> everybody talks about declining achievement scores in reading, writing, and arithmetic, but nobody does anything about them except john saxon, graham down, and "firing line." >> now, i contend that we have good teachers and poor teachers, we have good administrators and we havpoor administrators. and massive puts of federal money will accomplish no more than massive inputs of federal money have accomplished in the past. what we have got to do is stir what we have. >> the argument is, "we don't need more sugar in the coffee. we just need to stir the sugar in the coffee a little bit better." how does resources impact educational outcomes? >> i mean, i think it would be naive to suggest that somehow money doesn't matter. i mean, you have states that are sort of underesourcing education. new yor

>> in 1973, the original host of "firing line," william f. buckley jr., welcomed conservative activist phyllis schlafly to the program where she argued against the equal rights amendment. take a look at this. >> we find, as we look into the matter, that era won't give women anything which they haven't already got or have a way of getting. but on the other hand, it will take away from women some of the most important rights and benefits and exemptions we now have. >> one of the major characters in "the handmaid's tale," serena joy, is a former conservative activist and author who advocated for traditional values and then becomes a housewife as men take over. there are readers who have speculated that serena joy was based on phyllis schlafly. >> no. it's a composite of a number of people. but what they all have in common is that they thought women should be in the home, but they weren't in the home. they were out there having quite a public career saying that women shouldn't be in -- shouldn't be in public. it's a bit of a contradiction. by the

>> in 1973, the original host of "firing line," william f. buckley jr., welcomed conservative activist phyllis schlafly to the program where she argued against the equal rights amendment. take a look at this. >> we find, as we look into the matter, that era won't give women anything which they haven't already got or have a way of getting. but on the other hand, it will take away from women some of the most important rights and benefits and exemptions we now have. >> what would be an example of that? >> well, a great glaring example on which there is full agreement between both the proponents and the opponents is the matter of the draft. women are exempt from the draft. selective service says only young men of age 18 have to register. but the equal rights amendment will positively make women subject to the draft and on an equal basis with men. >> in an interview with rolling stone last year, you referred to schlafly as having nixed the equal rights amendment. and you named a cafe, the schlafly cafe, in "the testaments." what message were you t

. >> in 1973, on the original "firing line," william f. buckley jr. hosted a discussion entitled "the implications of watergate." buckley was actually asked about reforms to the office of the presidency in the aftermath of watergate. take a look. >> if you live in a society in which lawlessness becomes intellectually fashionable, as it was in this country during the last 10 years, you beget, i think, a counter-countercultural lawlessness, of which watergate is an example. so none of these paper reforms, however commendable they are from other points of view, will, in my judgment, give us the kind of security that we would like to have against future watergates. >> "none of these paper reforms, however commendable they are, from other points of view, in my judgment, will give us the kind of security we would like to have against future watergates." so can paper reforms in our situation now fix future unmerited challenges to our elections? >> the paper changes now can help fix some of the challenges that we face. what this always comes down

buckley jr. hosted a program that was called "pull out of nato?" professor melvyn krauss argued that nato had made the west weaker, not stronger, by encouraging european allies to depend on us for their own defense. take a look at this. >> i am very concerned that we have made allies into weak allies. we know what the status quo has given us. it has given us peace, but it also has given us a demoralization and a crippling of our allies, where we have to do more and more and more against the soviets. and, quite frankly, i feel that we're spread too thin. >> i wonder if, given your diplomatic experience in europe and in eastern europe in particular, do you agree that it is important for nato to continue in its peacekeeping function? >> well, why mess with success? i mean, i think that there's always been a debate about nato, but i think nato has proven to be the most successful defense pact in the history of the world. and the reason that it is so successful is that it is based on shared values. >> you have spoken and written about the need to tend t

. >> william f. buckley jr. was the original host of "firing line," and he actually became a delegate to the u.n. in 1973 and then wrote a book about it. in 1976, he hosted daniel patrick moynihan on the program, who w then the u.s. ambassador to the u.n., and they discussed the value of the united nations as an institution. >> you've said that in your book, and that was a good book, and it was "a delegate'odyssey," that the debate is what that place can, in fact, do. what it can't do is legislate. what it can't do is act, and it has no such pers. and its pretension to those powers are what get it in most trouble. but precisely as a setting in which to encounter at you've called "moral reality," it seems to me that's a place where we should be and should be -- should be making our positions known. >> he makes the case that the value of the u.n. is that it is a place for debate between nations. how do you make the case for the u.n., as an institution against the backdrop of countries who are permanent

you can even see in the original incarnation of the program, william f. buckley jr. making thatrgument in 1980. take a look at this. >> if we didn't sell another handgun tomorrow, you would still have 45 million handguns in this country. the notion that someone who desires to put his hand on a handgun can ever be made difficult is almost as preposterous as saying as one can keep people from smoking marijuana, which is also illegal. >> that's the defeatist attitude. i think if we stop now and we have 45 million handguns floating around, and we put a restriction, if you have a handgun, registering it. but no more registration. >> and don't take it from your home. >> that's right. we're cutting it off here. we would begin to see less violence in our society, in 2 years, 5 years, 20 years. the next generation would look back on us as if it was the wild west, only in the urban cowboy is the only way to describe what's happening in our cities. >> take on that argument, will you? there's so many guns in the united states, that if somebody really wants to commit a mass acrtr

margaret thatcher was a guest on the original "firing line" with william f. buckley jr. in 1975 when she was leader of the conservatives four years before she became prime minister. take a look at this. >> there's a feeling among some of the electorate -- distressingly high, in fact -- that women tend to think more emotionally. >> would you be so very surprised if i said that, at home, on the whole, we just look at the person and not necessarily the sex? >> yes. >> you would be. that's because you're a man. i mean, you're limited. but, look, i honestly dislike -- i regard these questions as very trivial. i've heard this argument frequently that women are really ratherore emotional than men. really, women are intensely practical. again, i don't mean that flippantly. we are an intensely practical sex. we often get on with the job. we don't always talk about it as much as men. we get on doing it. >> love it. it's so true. and the monarchy is on the shoulders of the women. let's face it -- the queen has been amazing. i mean, and kate is amazing. and even camilla

. >> this program was originally hosted by william f. buckley jr. from 1966 to 1999. in 1999, in the final season, he hosted the former treasury secretary william e. simon, and they discussed government funding of philanthropic efforts. >> when government funds are used for philanthropic reasons, then they have to scrutinize everything, and to scrutinize, they have to write regulations and they have to decide how you're going to give it, who you're going to give it to, and... i think a dollar spent by government, maybe 10 cents or 20 cents is effective, at the most. and a dollar spent by an individual -- he earned the money and the rest of it. he thinks twice about where he gives the money away. >> gary, that clip reminded me of the conclusion that you came to when you were trying to decide whether to stick with private donors or to go the route of government funding and grant writing with your organization, waterpartners. >> yeah, certainly, what we see is this is an all-hands-on-deck problem. if you look at government and the role that they can play versus what role

and he was also a guest on the original "firing line" with william f. buckley jr. in a debate entitled "should blacks vote democratic?" >> what do you see, mr. clyburn, the republican party, the party that is most enthusiastic about keeping alive those processes of upward mobility, which have served an awful lot of people who came to america as bereft as the blacks were after the 13th amendment was passed? >> oh, there's absolutely nothing wrong with black people as individuals ting advantage of any individual remedy that may come from the republican party or the democratic party, for that matter. but it seems to me that it's the democratic party that has come forward with those group remedies, such as the voting rights act. >> i know you stay out of politics as the secretary of the smithsonian. you work with congress, whether it's controlled by republicans or democrats. and throughout your book, you reference, you know, this experience of building the museum relied on support from both republicans and democrats. can you give our viewers any confidence

buckley jr. just months before the roe decision came down. take a look at what the arguments were then. >> i think the right to life of a fetus is, of course, the primary issue in the argument over abortion. >> the real question is, is the woman and are her rights as a real, three-dimensional, live being who no one questions as being a being, are her rights and her interests going to be fully safeguarded and fully protected. >> this is a complete human body, distinct from all others. it is a complete person. how can you say that it's all right to kill it? >> if you put restrictions on abortion, all you do is make it a punitive measure. women are mutilated and die. now, that's a reality. >> governor, what strikes me about the clips from that episode is that they are arguing about whose life -- the fetus's life or the woman's life -- should reign supreme. they are not arguing that states should be deciding that. the pro-life movement, it seems to me, is not going to be content with just letting states decide. and in his initial statement follow

buckley jr., they had a conversation, lindsay, about what it takes to be a journalist. take a look. >> i've worked for ten years on newspapers, always as a general assignment reporter. which is the lowest, but also the best rung in the newspaper business. you're sent out to cover a police story one day and to do a feature story on a man who has 103-year-old turtle. the next day you see all these sides of life. and by and by you learn that reporting is not a skill. >> it's not a skill? >>. >> it's not a skill. it's an attitude. and the attitude is, i have the right to get information from you, to which i am not entitled. >> do you think tom wolf is right? >> i think it depends on your approach. i mean, i think ultimately for someone like me, i don't feel like i have the right to that information, but i feel like i genuinely care, and i genuinely want to know and i want the world to know, particularly if there are injustices going on, or if there's a humanitarian crisis, or an unjust war happening, you know, ieel like the only way to tell that story is through the people.

buckley jr., where he actually talks about j. edgar hoover and comes to his defense. >> he's a champ to me, and i think he's a champ to millions of people around this country who go back to kidnapping days, go up to the days when he had the guts to develop information during world war ii, when the soviet union was our ally, which was the -- without which we would have been absolutely dead in our information gathering in our attempts to expose the threats to american freedom when it turned out that the communists were after us, too, just as hitler had been. i remember what he has done for the protection of civil rights and liberties. and i think to the american people, mr. j. edgar hoover is still a pretty darn good name. >> what's your reaction? >> it's kind of pathetic because cohn and hoover worked together to destroy gay people's lives. cohn was fully aware of what hoover was doing. >> cohn was not out then. >> cohn was never out. he never came out of the closet. he denied to his, you know, dying day of aids that he was gay. t

buckley jr. one of the hallmarks of his program is that buckley welcomed all points of view from across the political spectrum and engaged with friends from the opposite perspective. one of those friends was al lowenstein, who was a democrat who was admired by both liberals and conservatives and was a guest of buckley's on this program many times. i want you to listen to this excerpt from that program in 1971. >> first, i'll answer what i was trying to answer before you tried to get me to answer the thing i'm not trying to answer. then i'll answer your second -- >> which you will not answer. >> well, i'll answer both in due course. what my feelings are, and i think you would agree with this, is that people, regardless of party labels, ought to work together on issues they agree about. i don't think that my agreeing with you about the draft means that i'm committed necessarily to supporting you if you run for president. if so, it'd be an awful cision for me to make because i'd like to work with yo

brent bozell's father was a brilliant writer and thinker as was he uncle william f buckley jr., he is carrying the baton. he does fantastic work. there is a pattern to this. is there not brent bozell with corrupt media. >> it goes back many years, research we did to prepare for your show. to 1995 the bombing of oklahoma city. with tim mcvay and deaths that took place there. "time" magazine. said that conservative talk radio was quote, an unindicted coconspirator in the blast, and named. rush linbaugh and north. the extent to which their approach fosters violence is questioned by many observers. that said that talk radio had a group of violence. church burnings in south in 1996, from "time" magazine. torching of black churches. -- holocaust memorial shooting of 2009. the guy commits murder. rush limbaugh was blamed. and gabby gifford shooting, she was almost killed. 6 people murdered. within hours "new york times," had blamed sara palin and rush limbaugh. "new york times" say, link to political incitement was clear, sarah palin pac circulated a. a map. that was false. not only that, th

buckley jr. once stated be for the most conservative or right viable candidate one that couldy win. i like kathy barnett.he i think she has a great life story but she has not been vettedhe and she does not seem o meet that criteria at all in any way, shape or form. pennsylvania is a must hold senate seat and if you look at real conservatives when you will hear from next that will a in fact have not only a great chance i predict will win the general election if he wins the primary tomorrow. we'll hear from dr. ozil a as we continue straight ahead after the break. >> please stay with us. foxtail forever grateful to those who put this great country first to show our appreciation, we're continuing to offer all active military and veterans their first year of vaccinations for free where you can stream shows that celebrate our country honor those who sacrifice so much for our freedom. your active military or veterans go to vaccination .com to receive this special offer. thank you for your service and we hope you enjoy your free here. fox nation america is streaming everyone on mike huckab