peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times" and jeremy bash is back with us, former chief of staff at the cia, and pentagon, former chief council to the house intel committee. good evening and welcome to you all, kristen, old friend, i'd like to begin with you. the president seemed a little bit defensive on immigration. did it lead you and/or others to believe that they were truly caught off guard by this wave that he insists is really no bigger than other off years? >> brian, it's great to be with you, great to see you. i think to some extent the administration is caught off guard by just how big this wave is. as you heard president biden say, this is a seasonal issue. these numbers surge when we approach the spring, and warmer months. and yet, what his own dhs secretary has said is that this surge is going to be, they believe, the largest in 20 years. and so of course his administration has been fielding questions about whether there's been mixed messaging, whether his policies are unintentionally sending the message that migrants are welcome. and so they'v

jeremy it's good to speak to you, thank you for joining us. i know that this is a very important subject, let's talk a little bit about the issue of mental health in the sports world. a lot of progress is being made, there's finally a dialogue taking place, from your perspective as a player. are you sensing a change in how it's being discussed, and dealt with. ? >> i definitely think that there is a change, even purely from an awareness standpoint. i think with simone biles did is a great example, it is a topic pushed to the forefront and i remember seeing people write that she's this or she is that. and again the stigma around the, you don't think that she's been thinking about the olympics for the last four years nonstop. you don't think that she is hyper competitive? has literally poured her life into becoming great at what she does? and when the moment comes for her to say that i am not able to do it, that alone has pushed the conversation forward so much. so regardless of what side of the table, or anywhere on the spectrum you feel like y

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jeremy is still here. david, i feel like this interweaving of his businesses and the state, the government, was a beat you were on. you uncovered everything that became known for the most part during his presidency. this is a bombshell, though. and it pulls in all the shady actors from deutsche bank to the hotel to foreign money. explain what we are learning. >> well, you are right, this throw as light on something we have wondered about for a long time. trump nixed his business in his presidency nowhere more so than in the trump. did it work out in profit? no. did it work out for him in influence he could wield on other people? deutsche bank say we think trump got basically forbearance on his loan from deutsche bank where he didn't have to pay the principal on his loan until years later. they don't have the proof on that. but i don't think that part of it is as well proven as the house would like it to be. >> i want to read the letter from maloney and connolly in terms whereof the investigation might go.

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no defense lawyer listed for jeremy lbrown, in plea entered yet. also rising as we go through thisin weekend, the number of pa agreements reached in january 6th cases. almost exclusively in lower level cases, misdemeanor cases, there was a seminole moment as the week ended, the first two defendants to pleadt guilty to misdmeanors and get jail sentences from the judge. both acknowledged being unlawfully on thewl grounds january 6 th, both had tactical gear with them, both were accused of proceeding into the capitol despite seeing warning signs of unrest, the judge gave each of them 45 days in jail. and monday, promises to be one of the, busiest days yet in th u.s.in capitol riot prosecution at full docket including federo kline, the former trump administration appointee who pleaded not guilty. that's the latest in washington. i'm scottat mcfarland. now back to you. >>> now to some breaking news from the west coast this morning. orange county as officials are waiting to get their best look yet at a massive oil spill that is being described as a poten

jeremy butler, ceo of the iraq and afghanistan veterans of america. congresswoman jackie speier of california is here, a member of the intelligence and armed services committees. we will start with you, congresswoman. i said when i first heard the speech, i listened to every word and i feel maybe 95% of what he said is the way the american public sees this war and has seen it for a while and maybe 95% of the national security establishment and the press who cover it see it the opposite and don't approve of what he said. what do you think of the president's response today? >> i think he was being very honest, nicolle. he has been committed to getting out of afghanistan for close to a decade. i think many of us have been in that position for a long time. what is regrettable is the manner in which we're leaving and the fact that we have something like 18,000 translators seeking to be able to be airlifted out of there, and right now only 2,000 have been. so we have got to negotiate, as i understand has been done, with the taliban to keep that airport unde

as jeremy was saying it is all about grievance. it is all about this was taken from us and all about conspiracy to seize power because they're promoting the conspiracy that the power was taken away from them. >> well-put by mark mckinnon, both of these gentlemen have agreed to stay with us. the urgent reason why capitol hill remains fenced off tonight. short story, get use to it. stort i'm a verizon engineer. we built our 5g nationwide so millions of people could do what they love in verizon 5g quality. and in parts of many cities, we have ultra wideband, the fastest 5g in the world. this is 5g built right. only from verizon. many plug-ins are stuck in the past. they release a lot of scent at first but after a while, you barely know they're working. new febreze fade defy plug works differently. it's the first plug-in with built-in technology to digitally control how much scent is released to smell 1st day fresh for 50 days. it even tells you when it's ready to be refilled. upgrade to febreze fade defy plug. do you have a life insur

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that is really quite a change. >> and jeremy bash, now to your bailey wick. we lead the world in one area and sadly that's coronavirus. our economy is cratering. the whole world is watching as our own citizens loot our u.s. capitol. sooner or later, this back's national security matter. >> no doubt. an inauguration is usually a message to the world about the peaceful transfer of power about, our democratic form of government. tonight washington is sitting under siege. obviously the entire federal enclave is behind gates, guns and guards. we're also on edge because the president, meeting with, as you reference, the my pillow guy, is still entertaining discussions about declassifying fegs would expose sensitive sources and methods. he is talking about invoking the insurrection act, martial law, installing his cronies at the cia and elsewhere. and as we round the bend on this final weekend, i don't think anybody is in the mood to relax. if it is a tale of two cities, the other city is eagerly anticipating the arrival of the biden presidency, the rational approac

jeremy, the steward have it right? >> what is so distressing is that the dream of the autocrats, the dream of the putin's, the seizing things is to prove america wrong, to prove that the american experience of democracy doesn't deliver for the people and when we have people, in either party, and of course there's a lot of reference to the former president standing up and trying to curtail the right of people to vote saying that the election results actually should be undone because there was fraud in the election, that plays right into the hands of those who would take down democracy in trying to prove us wrong. there are big issues at stake, joe biden has said it himself, not think sort of democracy is at stake and making sure that the big lie is disintegrated and democracy prevails. >> ashley, to that and, this is crunch time for joe biden on all of the things that he wants and has pushed for in his so far brief presidency. is the biden white house according to your reporting, at least, quietly dropping hopes and dre

jeremy, anything you want to add? >> you know, one of the things i think about when i think about colon powell, i think about what he had to overcome. as a young african-american soldier he trained at fort benning in georgia and he was refused service at some of the bars and restaurants that he would go into. for someone like that to overcome overt racism in our country and rise through the ranks of our military, shows, number one, how powerful they can be to advance the careers of young people of color and how important that is, but also shows the character that colin powell had. and as referenced, people thought he could become president. he was leading in the head to head calls in the hypothetical matchup. he even won the vice presidential primary in new hampshire for the republican party if you can believe it. he got three electoral votes. was the powerful grip colin powell had as someone who could serve our country with such distinction, overcome racism, overcome being from chief immigrants. for colin powell, he

jeremy, i'd like to begin with you. with the former personal lawyer for the former president but does it seem to you the fed business is coming off michael cohen's comments the only other personal lawyer to have been raided by the feds. what does it seem to you they are looking for from rudy? >> federal agents appears are looking at two things. the national security threat posed by foreign governments who would interfere in the u.s. elections by spreading disinformation and rudy giuliani was clearly a conduit of that disinformation largely emanating from russia through agents in the ukraine. the second thing they're looking at is whether or not criminal laws were potentially violated when rudy giuliani lobby the trump administration effectively on the behalf of ukrainian officials and wanted trump to fire the u.s. ambassador in kyiv because she was being very rough on corruption in ukraine and i think the theory of federal agents according to these media reports it is that if rudy giuliani was being paid either in cash

i think jeremy bash is exactly right. it is an existential crisis between whether we will have a democracy or an autocracy, and so we laid out just part by part all the ways that donald trump exposed how dangerous the white house could be in the hands of a tyrant and what must be done in order to ensure that doesn't happen and one of the most fundamental parts is that there is accountability, and at the end of the day, when laws are broken, that accountability has to include the possibility that even a president can face prosecution. we laid out even before all these latest news revelations about his obstruction of justice as detailed by robert mueller, his use of the office to promote his children just as monarchies do, his persecution of political enemies, his use of the office to enrich his own business. these are all things that are extraordinarily dangerous to democracy, and not to mention his efforts to subvert the election. and so, if these aren't enough to call for prosecution, i don't know what is. and even more

. >> jeremy peters, the former president, donald trump, has asked the u.s. supreme to block, to overturn lower court rulings allowing the national archives to hand over white house records from that day. do we have an idea what these records will likely tell us? and what's the likelihood that this effort by the former president will succeed? >> i think if you look at it in the big picture here, you've seen stonewalling, not just from the president, but from just about everybody who is connected with his presidential campaign and who is allied with him in congress. you've seen the highly unusual step here of the commission going after, seeking information from members, sitting members of congress including jim jordan, one of president trump's closest allies and somebody who remains in contact with him. mark meadows, steve bannon, they've all said they will not cooperate. so it's hard to see anybody who is close to the president actually participating in this effort. and what they've done is try to cast this as entirely illegitimate, as they rewrite the histor

jeremy, let's talk about russia. there are reports of a u.s. retaliatory cyber strike on russia, though a friend of mine who was in the intel business for a long time says don't kid yourself, we trade these back and forth. the difference is russia doesn't announce when they've been hit. so that's topic one. and putin i'm guessing only respects getting hit back. topic two is putin let the viewers know how he's trolling americans on what happened on 1/6 and as he does so sounding suspiciously like some of the republicans in the senate and house. >> brian, as you noted vladimir putin said that he thought that january 6th rioters were legitimate, they were carrying a political message. in effect, he's aligning himself with the january 6th a vicious and violent armed attack on our democracy, on our citadel of democracy, on our capitol and i think it's evidence anymore needed. they're anti-democratic, they're anti-rule of law. and so this shows you exactly i think where putin's mind-set is. he wants to divide americans and he wants to show democracy

jeremy, good morning. it's so great to see you. thank you for being up early with us. >> good morning. >> can we talk a little bit about the picture that's emerging of these supporters who tried to storm the capitol, what we know about -- we know their motivation, obviously. a lot of them have said that they were led by president trump. but there's also some pretty concerning, specific cases that i think have caught, certainly, my eye, like the gentleman who has access to all of this information. what has stood out to you as someone who thinks about this from the big picture, in terms of what we've learned so far? >> well, let's start with the woman in pennsylvania who, as you referenced, is a defendant. she's alleged to have stolen the speaker's laptop, and a witness in the charging documents, who is her former romantic partner, as you said, came forward and said that she intended to send the laptop to russia, who was going to further send it on to the svr, the russian intelligence service, the kgb successor, essentially, the russ

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jeremy peters veteran political reporter for the new york times, and cynthia ochsner, former federal prosecutor and the civil rights division of the doj. good evening, and welcome to. all cynthia, counselor, you've got to go first tonight because of our lead story. what do we need to know about this texas reversal on appeal, and where this case might be headed? >> well, the cases headed to the supreme court. i mean, it's nothing but bad news for women of texas, and women everywhere. i hesitate to sum it up this way, in a colloquial way, but basically we're screwed. that's just true. the fifth circuit has reinstated this law. that's isn't overturning of roe v. wade, the takes away women's right to control her own body, two weeks after she's missed a period. most women don't know they're pregnant at that time. and now it's up to the fifth circuit, people say oh not to worry, it can be appealed at the supreme court. will it can be appealed at the supreme court, but remember it's a supreme court that let this law go into effect in the first. place through a shadow docket, late at night,

jeremy is absolutely correct. there's a tactical component to this to protect our people, and there's a largest strategic message to tehran. frankly, i would argue that this will help move the negotiations forward in the sense that the iranians will see, you know, we're not going to be able to just conduct combat operations as usual, particularly if they are directed in some sense against the americans. i think, you know, the prospect of the hanging and the mourning has a tendency to focus the mind. i am hopeful iranians move to the right direction here. to conclude, this is a signal to our allies, nato, that this is an administration that is willing, when necessary, to use force. i agree with jeremy, this is a prudent, proportional, and justifiable use of military force. i've launched a lot of these strikes. this one is in the wheelhouse. >> and let me switch gears to khashoggi, because it's related as well. we talk about allies and others in the region. clearly the messaging to the saudis, as well as israelis an

michael steele joins me and jeremy peters as well. michael, first to you. the exact timing of the start of an impeachment trial yet to be determined, but growing number of republicans are arguing you can't impeach trump since he's already out of office. that's a constitutional issue, welles the holdup on organizing the senate. what about the impeachment trial and the biden agenda? >> well, in once sense, andrea, it's sort of a drama that the new administration really doesn't want. you can already sort of sense from the president's remarks and jen psaki's remarks, they're trying to do a little bit of a heisman move. that's over on that senate side. we're doing the executive-level work of the presidency. but it's a drama that's going to unfold regardless. and they're going to be having to deal with that. so the reality remains that the senate wants to complete the action as a result of that and the consequences from january 6th. the president needs to be held accountable for that. his involvement, his role, all of that has to get vetted publicly. but it is ce

starting with paul rucker, senior washington correspondent for the "washington post," jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and pentagon, former chief counsel to the house intel committee. and we're happy to welcome c.k. hoffler. she's ce oh of the c.k. hoffler firm in atlanta. she has counseled jesse jackson, also happens to be president of the national bar association, the nation's oldest network of predominantly black judges and attorneys, and counselor, indeed, i'd like to begin with you tonight. let's talk about this charge against the now former police officer who we saw on video firing the shot that killed daunte wright. second-degree manslaughter in the parlance of the law, man 2. is the right charge in your view? >> first of all, great to be here tonight, brian. is it the right charge? i would have to say that given what we saw -- and we have to trust our eyes -- i think there should have been a greater charge, but because of how the events unfolded, i believe that the district attorney felt that man 2 was probably the best that they could do given the circumstances. i wo

jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and pentagon. former chief counsel to the intelligence committee. and dr. irving redliner who advises us on public health, a professor of pediatrics at albert einstein school of medicine. good to see all of you. jackie, what did this committee manage to do with this first hearing? what was important about how this all began? >> chris, thanks for having me on. i think the select committee wanted to put the political chaos we've seen leading up to this first hearing of the investigation of january 6th and to put the spotlight strictly on the first-person accounts from these four heroic police officers and the four traumatic experiences that they had, banking on the fact that these would resonate with the american public. and then sort of breaking through this bitter political war that we've seen back and forth between house speaker nancy pelosi and minority leader kevin mccarthy. all eyes were really trained on officers fanone, gonell and harry dunn and officer hodges as they provided excruciating an

but you have to admire everyone staying on-brand, jeremy. >> right. and this, brian, is exactly the ground that trump and all of his followers want 2022 and 2024 to be litigated upon. trump wants the people who are in congress after 2022 to be people who buy into his lie that the election was stolestolen. and he wants to run his 2024 campaign, he wants it to be all about the myth of this stolen election. and what i think, you know, we've all seen a lot of the more marginal figures in the republican party, matt gaetz, marjorie taylor greene, lauren boebert, go along with this. what has been more interesting to watch are the mainstream republicans who are not exactly saying they think the election was stolen. but saying with a wink and a nod that they think there's election fraud and that there ought to be something done about it. even though there's no evidence of that. there's no evidence of it on a widespread, systemic basis. but they're saying, well, the democrats sent out all of these ballots in the mail that nobody asked for, and we don't know wha

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jeremy bash, former chief of staff at cia and the pentagon. eugene daniels, white house correspondent for politico, co-author of politico play book and dr. patela, as well. she's for good reason among the public health experts and a nonresident fellow at brookings. good evening and welcome to you all. jeremy, i'd like to begin with you with the former personal lawyer for the former president. what does it seem to you that the feds and this is coming off michael cohen's comments, the only other personal lawyer to have been raided by the feds, what does it seem to you they're looking for from rudy? >> federal agents, brian, it appears are looking at two things. one is national security threat posed by foreign governments to interfere in u.s. elections by spreading disinformation and rudy giuliani was clearly a conduit of that disinformation largely emanating from russia through agents in the ukraine. but the second thing that they're looking at is whether or not criminal laws were potentially violated when rudy giuliani lobbied the trump adminis

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jeremy bash, i want to start with you. there's been a lot of discussion in the past days about the comparison between what happened on january 6th and 9/11 and i think one of the things that sets them apart is that people are more, i think, disturbs in some ways by the notion of domestic terrorism than they are foreign terrorism. and we're talking about domestic terrorism that has an inside element to it, the notion that people on the inside of our government have been working with domestic terrorists to try to stage this insurrection and whatever comes next. talk to me a little bit just about how kind of disturbing that is and the way in which the entire trump tenure is connected to it. >> it's scary, john, i mean, when you think about an insider threat, you think about pakistan, you think about other countries. you don't think about the united states, you don't think about our inauguration day. i actually think inauguration day is going to go well. i think the national guard is going to be responsible for the large perim

well, we are a country whose cyber territory has the most -- russia is not on the list. >> jeremy, i want to get your thoughts on this. this deflection makes it seem that cyber attacks are likely to continue even though biden said in his presser that he made it clear that there will be consequences for attacks of this kind. do you think it's likely to scale back or is this still a threat for american cyber stability? because you're dealing with a country that may not necessarily be using its state actors to commit these, quote, unquote, cyber crimes but relying on nonstate actors working within russia? >> right now, unfortunately, i think it's a major threat. it remains a major threat. putin's denial there in his counteraccusation is like the guy who was surprised there was gambling at casino. he knows full well what's happening, including cyber election interference, including collection activities like solar winds to collect data and infiltrate communications. i think it's a mini concession by russia that they would engage in talks like this. maybe there could be norms that the u.s

jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and the pentagon. and dr. bertuza akter, emergency physician at the university of of arizona college of medicine in phoenix. he also works in emergency rooms in pennsylvania and florida. it's good to see all of you on a friday night. doctor, people in new york have been so cautious for so long, and yet covid cases here are soaring. performances, sporting events canceled. it all sounds so familiar. but some officials argue as long as you're fully vaccinated, especially with a booster, just go on and live your lives. help us understand exactly what the threat level is right now in a place like new york city and whether fully vaccinated people should be taking more precautions. >> yeah, that's a great question. i was in pennsylvania working last week and it was one of those bizarre situations after going up there from miami, the cases were worse up there despite the northeast having done so much better than florida in general. that won't be the case for long. florida's going to get its spike very soon. it's alrea

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i want to start with you, jeremy. i reached out to you to understand what you were hearing from republicans in the state. you had your eye on the counties that ended up really making a difference for youngkin. talk about what this campaign turned on that maybe was more opaque from the national level. >> yes. well, that's exactly right. a lot of what it did turn on, you couldn't really see from the national level because they were very localized issues dealing with specific schools in fairfax county, for instance, right in so this wasn't all just about critical race theory and the dog whistles to conservatives. that was a huge part of this, but the youngkin campaign capitalized on anger and anxiety and frustrations over parent -- from parents who are still dealing with the traumatic effects of trying to teach their kids at home and hold down their own jobs. and on top of that, you had asian parents in northern virginia who are upset about the way that progressives want to make changes to the admission program in gifted

military forces, and jeremy very nicely summarized some of his statements. if you break it, you own it. he was frequently under pressure to stand behind military options, which he was very reluctant to do. look, at the end of the day, powell was this person of enormous integrity and good judgment and a sense of humility. he listened to experts which most people in d.c., and he remained an infantry soldier. >> that is perhaps the best note to leave it on for now. we'll have a lot more coming up. just to remember, for all of those who are writing in on social media and elsewhere about that misleading, absolutely misleading wmd presentation at the u.n. in my report as well as others, he put his reputation on the line. he thought he was doing it correctly. he did his homework, and he was wrong. and he acknowledged it, and just to point out that the one war that he was more or less in charge of with bush 41 they got out before invading. they did not go to baghdad. they did not pursue the ground war to baghdad. in the second gulf war he didn't have that choice or

jeremy bash former secretary to leon panetta, still with the cia, jeremy you spent years dealing with this region, tragic results on all sides. let's talk about what the biden administration can do to ratchet this down. >> want to play what jen psaki had at the briefing and asked her to translate her careful wording into something that we can understand, all of us. >> our calculation at this point is that having those conversations behind the scenes weighing in with our important strategic partnership we have with israel and other countries in the region is the most constructive approach we can take. our approach is through quiet, intensive diplomacy. >> so what is likely the quiet intensive diplomacy? i'm assuming there was a call to saudi arabia, as well, this weekend to try to have some leverage with hamas as well as the leverage we reportedly would have with israel. >> that's right, andrea. what the biden administration is doing with hamas to pressure them to stop raining down on population centers. by the way, this is a lot different from the war if 2014. in 2014 during the entir

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jeremy bash, michael leiter under presidents bush and obama. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" first american journalist in afghanistan after nech. >> jeremy, the war is over, a lot of unfinished business and what role will intelligence play going forward trying to help extricate americans or trying to make that happen through some sort of other covert means. >> andrea, after 9/11 the intelligence community was the first into afghanistan and even though the military presence has ended, the intelligence community will be the last out, and i say that because when there's no diplomatic presence and no overt military presence essentially afghanistan becomes like iran and north korea, becomes a hard target where it's hard to operate from traditional u.s. posts. so the intelligence community will have, i think, three critical missions on the ground without having an official presence. first, as reference, i think the intelligence community will have to play a critical role some evacuating those we couldn't get out,

jeremy, you also have another book coming out or a new book coming out. insurgency, how the republicans lost their party and got everything they ever wanted. when can i purchase this book? >> you can purchase it now. go anywhere online. your favorite book seller, amazon, barnes & noble, and it's preordered that way. it will be delivered to you february 8th. that would be a great black friday move for those of you who are not venturing out to the malls. >> february 8th. congratulations. i know how hard it is to finish a book. my hat is off to you. jonathan knows as well. they're tough, painful. gentlemen, thank you so much. >>> still ahead, california takes aim at the growing trend of smash and grab robberies. >>> and why santa may not be coming to a mall near you. comin. d by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin that's a trail i want to take. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk better than warfarin. and has less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis has both. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor as thi

joining me, white house correspondent jeff mason and "new york times" political reporter jeremy peters. gentlemen, it's always good to see you. the committee, jeff, wants these documents. they want the memos, they want the emails from the trump white house. what do they think might be in them? >> well, that's a good question. i think number one, what they want is to see some actual evidence of what kind of communications there were between the white house and the people who planned the rallies. both on january 5th ahead of the insurrection and on january 6th itself. the president, of course, the former president, i should say, is eager to protect that and has been arguing privilege. but the argument that the previous court tossed out was for reasons that the current president, president biden, and congress want those documents to be made public. so -- but to get back to your question, katy, they clearly are looking for evidence of what sort of communication and what sort of detail was exchanged between the white house and the planners of those events. >> so jeremy, as jeff just said, t

i'm joined now by jeremy gray. thanks for joining us on this. what more do we know about this crash? and the lives that having lost? >> well, this involved multiple vehicles. we had a tropical storm claudette that swept the lower part of the state yesterday, and we believe this may have been related to hydroplaning. multiple vehicles, one was a van with a girls ranch. there were nine people on board. the driver, the adult, she was pulled to safety by a bystander. the bystarter unfortunately was not ability to get to the children because of the flames. eight young people, ranging in ages from 4 to 17, were killed in that vehicle. two of them were children of the driver, and the others were, i believe, residents of the youth home, maybe a nephew or niece of the driver as well. we're still confirming that. one of the other vehicles, like i said there were multiple vehicles, a volunteer firefighter from ten sees, and his 9-month-old daughter were killed. as we understand it, they young people at the girls ranch youth were coming back from gulf shore

jeremy bash served under president obama at the dod. andrea set the scene. the wild scenario that we saw as it related to the way the summit started to the room. tell us if you're hearing anything from white house officials and sources. i know there's been some clarification about a question that president biden was asked by a member of the u.s. press and the white house seeming to try to want to put some clarity around that. >> indeed, hallie. these kinds of diplomatic dances are quite delicate and as highly choreographed and there is the unexpected and indeed that is what we saw this morning as there was the pushing and shoving between the u.s. and russian journalists trying to get into that room, and pose their questions both to president putin and to president biden. our colleague did try to ask the american president and both the russian president whether they could trust each other and from what we could tell it appeared that biden did hear or acknowledge the question by nodding in the affirmative and the white house is pushing back quite sternly that

joining us now, jeremy peters. hi, jeremy. did you get a sense from the former president when you interviewed him recently about how much he is planning on throwing his weight behind other gop candidates? >> i think this ken paxton endorsement is totally unsurprising for all the reasons you laid out, elise, but remember, ken paxton was the lead author on that lawsuit that was tossed out by the supreme court that sought to overturn basically the results in several swing states. it was essentially laughed out of court, but more importantly to president trump, that was the ultimate display of loyalty that he likes to seeing and because ken paxton was behind that, he gets the endorsement. i think that's what you're likely to see play out going forward as we get into 2022. trump is not looking for anybody to adhere to any set of policies that he favors. he's looking for people to embrace his lie about this, quote/unquote, stolen election, and no one has done that. few, i should say, have done that more vig rugly than ken paxton has

one of the things that were not on the agenda jeremy was the cyberattacks. it was one of the very clear things that joe biden said to vladimir putin in their meeting in geneva. i want to play something earlier that mike mcfaul, who knows a lot about this and, who has been helping on msnbc. >> we're not talking about the russian government. we're talking about criminals, at least to the best of my knowledge so far what is been discuss publicly. and i think that gives us more leverage and more opportunity to be more aggressive about them and to put pressure on russian authorities. the russian police, to say, go arrest these people go after them. we putin is not going to defend criminals in the public tit-for-tat on this. he's going to call them criminals, or at least say he has nothing to do with them. >> jeremy, help make sense of that. what exactly comes of the warning in geneva, the phone call today, and this idea that biden has two opportunities said, he is going to do something. he has sort of suggested that there is outlined that he's prepared to take ac

jeremy, i want to start with you. on what i have heard from people all across the ideological spectrum, frankly, about -- i've heard from sort of former bush people who will say privately, if we had done this, they would have killed us, and i have heard from democrats, including congressman ted lieu there and adam schiff last night calling for a wholesale review and a house cleaning by the garland justice department of anyone that was involved. >> hey, nicole, first, i think there are multiple red flags here. first, any time you're investigating overseers, meaning, congressional overseers, you're creeping on separation of powers, and you're violating the sanctity of the oversight process and i think only the top levels of the justice department could green light an investigation of members of congress. that's point one. second is the investigative techniques utilized here, collecting metadata, in my experience, is unprecedented. i've been involved in leak investigations. i've known about them. i've known that members