and gary abernathy is a contributing columnist at the washington post. we welcome all four of you to the program. thank you so much. let me just lay down the basics. what words would you use, george packer, to describe what happened on january 6? and how much does it matter that we get to the bottom of it, that we hold those responsible accountable? >> at the time, i thought it was an insurrection, and i still do, directed by the president. and i still think that. but i underestimated it. i thought it was a kind of wild shot that nearly hit its target, could have been fatal, but that we dodged. that's not how i see it now. i think it was actually a warning shot and almost a searching for the target that did miss but that found how to get the target next time. and in the year since january 6, what we've seen is efforts by both national republicans and state legislatures and major figures in the party to figure out how to use january 6 to make sure that next time, it works, and next time what didn't work for donald trump in overthrowing the 2020 election a

judy: gary abernathy, you're hearing this. you're hearing george and the others say it's impossible not to take this seriously. gary: i want to be clear. i'm on board with everyone who thinks january 6 was a horrible day for our country. i think it's right to remember it. i think it's right to look back at it as a day that we should all be ashamed of and hope never repeats itself. but i think it's being used politically in some cases to then extrapolate those events and say, well, we can't have any election reform. we can't have anything, because it's all an effort to make what happened on january 6 happen again. and the fact is, a lot of us would argue that our system actually worked on january 6. none of these terrible things came to be, because people like mike pence said, i can't go along with that. so there are degrees of differences here. but, in some ways, i think we're on the same page. jelani: we are not on the same page, gary. and the system did not work, if we think about the law enforcement officers, the capitol po

that is jonathan capehart and gary abernathy, both columnists for the "washington post." david brooks is away. jonathan i want to start with some news that former vice president pence made today. he made a speech, a lot of people were watching to see what he would say. and what caught our attention is, he said president trump is wrong to say that he could have overturned the results of the 2020 election. he said it's time to turn to the future. what does this say about the state of the republican party when you also have what, the republican national committee today censuring liz cheney and adam kinsinger working on the january 6th investigative committee? >> capehart: judy, it shows that the republican party is undergoing a huge crisis. in various forms over the last year with less heat than he did today but saying inflate-out that donald trump is wrong and that vice president then vice president pence had no ability, no power whatsoever, to overturn the will of the american people, is the clearest break we have seen between the two. and it says to me that the former vic

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, jonathan capehart and gary abernathy. both columnists for the washington post. david brooks is awake. it is good to see both of you on this friday. i want to start with news that former vice president pence made today. he made a speech that a lot of people watched to see what he would say. what caught our attention is he said president trump is wrong to say that he could have overturned the results of the 2020 election. he said it is time to turn the future. what does this say about the state of the republican party and you have the republican national committee centering liz cheney and adam kinzinger, the only republicans working on the january 6 investigative committee? jonathan: judy, to me it says the republican party is still undergoing a huge identity crisis. you know, former vice president ke pence has been saying what he said today in various forms over the last year, with less heat then he did today, but saying flatut that donald trump is wrong and that he had -- and that then vice president pence had no ability,

judy: gary abernathy, how big of step do you see this? we're watching these terrible just sickening pictures every day of what's going on. and we watch economic sanctions. >> yeah. well, the economic sanctions are important. it's good to be unified about them. it's really the most that anyone has the stomach frankly for doing right now in response to this outside of ukraine. in ukraine those people are amazing, the leadership and the citizens. and that's what's tough is fighting a war. i always push back a little bit when i read about tough sanctions or harsh sanctions when they're in response to actual war. you know, putin is rolling through ukraine killing and maimingnd that's -- that's tough when you're the victim of that. what we're doing with sanctions is important but it's important to remember that, you know, it's still a tepid response in response to actual war, you know. viewedy, i think that -- judy, i think that it's so tough to think about the fact that here's ukraine that once -- wants to be in nato. but they can't be in nato

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and it's friday -- jonathan capehart and gary abernathy weigh in on the president's push for more covid funding and on the january sixth committee's decision to subpoena republican lawmakers.

gary abernathy is a contributing columnist for the washington post. and he's worked in republican party politics in the past. i spoke to him earlier and began by asking if this raid has actually galvanised donald trump and his supporters. i wonder if it didn't get out of control as far as the d0] is concerned. this was announced yesterday by donald trump, this whole raid, no—one knew anything about it all day long until around seven o'clock last night, something like that. trump put out a press release announcing the raid. he is in new york, he is not even in florida. you have to think in some way he revels in this. in fact, naive and go to wondering, he knew they wanted these documents, he knew he had turned over some documents, but he knew they wanted others. and he didn't give them to them knowing that they would eventually come and take them, and knowing when they did he got to play the aggrieved party again. it's an interesting situation because if it is for real, this is a proper investigation being carried out by the federal bureau of investi

gary abernathy is a contributing columnist for the washington post. he's worked in republican party politics in the past, and until 2018 as publisher and editor of the times—gazette in hillsboro, ohio, one of the few newspapers to endorse donald trump for president in 2016. thank you forjoining us. i wonder what you make of it, we are hearing a lot about this whole episode if anything backfiring if people want to see the back of donald trump. i think that's right. i wonder if it didn't get out of control as far as the doj it didn't get out of control as far as the d0] is concerned. this was announced yesterday by donald trump, this whole raid, no—one knew anything about it all day long until around seven o'clock last night, something like that. trump put out a press release announcing the raid. he is in new york, he is not even in florida. you have to think in some way he revels in this. in fact, naive and go to wondering, he knew they wanted these documents, he knew he had turned over some documents but he knew they wanted others. and he didn't g

gary abernathy is a contributing columnist for the washington post. and he's worked in republican party politics in the past. he believes this raid has galvanised donald trump and his supporters. i wonder if it didn't get out of control as far as the d0] is concerned. this was announced yesterday by donald trump, this whole raid, no—one knew anything about it all day long until around seven o'clock last night, something like that. trump put out a press release announcing the raid. he is in new york, he is not even in florida. you have to think in some way he revels in this. in fact, i even go to wondering, he knew they wanted these documents, he knew he had turned over some documents, but he knew they wanted others. and he didn't give them to them knowing that they would eventually come and take them, and knowing when they did he got to play the aggrieved party again. let's get some of the day's other news: vote counting is under way in kenya where a new president is being chosen to succeed uhuru kenyatta. polling day was largely peaceful. however,

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