if you're a monte, what's in this for europe? well, i think this, this relationship could be literally a reward nowadays to data economy. the flow of data is dominated by 2 polls north america, and east asia. and i think both europe and africa need to become as autonomy as, as possible in the generation of data and the use of data and the digital economy can be mutually rewarding. but i agree with my colleagues, we need to see what are this time europe is serious about taking africa as a business part or a business partner rather than as a development age target. this is, this is real economy. it's the teachers are becoming progress and i think, you know, it's, it's, it was long overdue. well, let's talk more about that points on the difference between you know, investment and development age. well, what's your, what's your view on that, david? money, what's, what's been the problem with europe's relationship in the past that could be improved upon this time? i think the problem was, we'll start with the language. if you look at

for germany and for europe. well, it's interesting that every member of the upcoming new government announces that we need to radical changes when it comes to climate change. and they are all pushing for renewables that more needs to be done more than what the previous government has done. and given that we've seen the rising gas prices that could potentially be leveraged on the stand, that it's now high time. and we shouldn't discuss the nitty gritty is of how it is turned is when mail next to a building or all the reasons why it didn't meet the targets that have been defined before. so there are certainly a push coming from the current what was described as a perfect storm that we'll see more efforts and more investment in renewables and decreases the cio strategic dependency from russia. pulses. this is a crisis moment. everybody's looking for leverage. oh, it comes to ukrainian the seem to be pretty much excited about the potential. what might happens next, particularly because they are now going to be part

needs to hedge that's why europe needs to have a plan b. those doubts and the need for the plan for plan b. come at the worst possible moment because europe is the siege by anti-liberal forces also from with from within and by and anti-liberal author terry and powers russia and china from without so it's a very precarious moment but europe doesn't have any other choice i agree with mr goss that of course it's easy to say you're going to pull this off because there are so many countervailing forces but those politicians who believe in europe and to believe that even a big country like germany is no longer enough sufficient to hold its own in this kind of tumultuous world they need to kind of invest to try to convince the public and make the most off this situation that in terms of the turmoil is is indeed unprecedented and should they use you know the issue of iran to come together and stand up to the u.s. on this most of us will go to you. i don't think iran will make much. effect or will have much effect on european public opinion. and thi

incent europe not to intervene and do any kind of where ups that could happen in eastern europe. cornelia, you have winter and you have energy crisis. how are we to blame? is it the post pandemic recovery? is it russia or is it weather related events, particularly last winter? it is the perfect storm you had last winter. you had such a cold winter that star was on plenty shed and i have some sympathy for gas brom again for 1st filling their own storage because they had a cold winter to. so dare storage shoe. it was, was deplete that to, for 1st you know, you 1st look after your own people and then then you go further. so, so that's one thing. then we have obviously the competition as was mentioned between them, asia and europe. for l n g, we're big because china is importing more and more l n g. this year china will become the largest import, the globally of l. n. she, it will, it will supercede japan in that position. and so, so we have, and obviously we have some geopolitical tensions. but, but, but mainly it's the perfect storm of supply and demand. and when it comes to price, yes, obv

europe and the greek state they will start to react. the greek train company ois he told us they couldn't move goods for $75.00 days costing them $1000000.00 he lost shipping. i think is the best metaphor for what's happening in europe today in the sense that people refugees who are fleeing from war and from war zones such as syria but also going to stand in iraq became a problem. because we're at the train track and they were blocking the train trip. so it became a problem for for the for peroration for also other countries not only greece because this way was blocked so on the one you can see is. refugees don't have the right to move freely on the other hand goods can move freely as far and as much as they want. but greece is subject to forces beyond its control. the global financial crash reveals that greece has taken out a mountain of loans from european banks. at the urging of european leaders europe's financial institutions gave greece the biggest loan in history. and most of that money flowed straight back to the mainly french an

shortest way into europe. to stop them europe was build a double barbed wire fence it's a modern version of the great wall of china and more recently the berwyn wall while those walls relied on height and guards to keep outsiders at but a spanish fans bristles with electronic surveillance gear but the purpose is the same. offense it replaced much lower was too easily breached with the result bad for the truly desperate souter became a stepping stone into continental europe. underworld spirit. of. smart i wonder. if being you know. the. difficult it is. those who still charms their luck wait in the surrounding forests but if court they are transported back to their countries of origin by the moroccan north qualities. now though there are a growing demand for a more constructive approach to bring about a lasting solution to the problem of illegal immigration. sort of for a time and even to drop by say for. a few because i don't think i think i said that he said i go there so i see a gun to the head what i mean.

africa into europe. i was they didn't really i was seven years on the receiving indians and is this do they know each other is this one company when business is it. how do you how do you operate yeah i didn't need to know it or not. the only good you need to know is me the only came to know him to know it when. you're going from one point onward up you say you've you've helped thousands of people to go. europe how many haven't made it ninety percent of them have made it. and they put it up in my head but there's still ten percent who have it has some back in town. i had no one he wanted. which part of the journey is the most dangerous. two to tripoli became the most difficult one why because it is a desert was initially around put on twenty three i live in could only take them for d.s. four days to move from south to tripoli. into into in the sixteen it takes about three weeks to enter tripoli how much money have you made doing this. she just an. inferior. i can say almost a million i mean under isis so

quota on refugees a plan meant to relocate asylum seekers across europe so let's bring in our guests joining us from budapest is getting a raw and i'm a list of hunger a center for fair political analysis in berlin political analyst and a professor and european studies at stanford university in berlin and by skype from london is matthew goodwin professor of politics and international relations at the university of kent thank you all for joining us good day raj night in budapest let me start with you viktor orban is widely expected to win a third term in this election how much has his anti immigrant agenda helped him to win votes and why is he so popular i think he has two main forces for him being popular one is the economy economy is has been growing ever since he came into poverty which wasn't true before so that's a plus for him but the other issue is migration. that he she used to create an identity for his base so these base has a very strong identity of european christian ideals and this base resents migration this base resents islam culture and based on that they disobey schem

therefore, the rest of europe, because germany is the biggest trade partner china in europe. and they, since a february, 4th, signature of the she agreement, many have seen that as a non aggression pact. and so we've seen putting move troops from russia's far east after meeting with she jumping in beijing before the olympics, and he's able to move troops towards ukraine. he couldn't do that unless he had agreement from china. and in addition, you know, they both were the same kind of killer soup shirt and tie, they're coordinating far more in space and other areas. and in that agreement, it's a $5000.00 word agreement. china said that they supported russia, moves in regard to nato, that they would also build a pipeline. and also, you know, there is a question mark over china. how will they act? will they really help russia? so the biggest loser in this is probably russia because they will be far more a junior partner to china than they ever dreamed of. maria deva, if putin was trying to weaken and divide nato, he's done the complete opposite. now has an easy, as ne, strengthe

sure so i think indeed this shows that people in europe really want more flexibility there's all of europe more demand for. basically having more control over one's own fate i would say that's why we see all this populist movement in europe from the left or the right this is what they sort of having common they feel they're losing control over their own fate and indeed also the cuttle on the scottish independence movements they of course have always existed but in the last ten years they have become much more popular and again if we wonder how to deal with that i think we have to look at switzerland cicerone as a country where there's a lot of decentralization we're the decentralized entities the continents can decide it's over taxation policy too much larger extent than was the case elsewhere so and this really helps to keep switzerland together nobody in switzerland wants to wants to sort of secede from the country because the country allows a lot of flexibility people are generally happy with how swiss run this so if the e.u. is wondering how can we become more stable they have to look

europe itself and europe was never founded to be a global actor the history of the european union was. was to to organize peace inside europe and economic growth but for the for the difficult birds of the world the difficult jobs some people say the dirty jobs. were the responsibility of france u.k. and of specially of the united states now when the united states started to withdraw from the scene in syria you could we were able to see there is no very common international politics where somebody went out of the door somebody some others would come in and fill it and we saw now it's the ceasefire and it's organized but turkey and russia europe doesn't play any role should that change should europe have more i think europe should step up in international affairs therefore it's and you want in syria what would you first first of all we should support the cease fire and of course i think at the end of the day everybody wants to see europe as part of the re construction process of syria the next step is that we should have under the u.n. umbrella in geneva a constitutional reform i'm very

think europe and do you think europe account and it sounded. not today if the u.s. were to pull out or call back 6 actually from its commitments to nato europe would be woefully short of all the key capabilities needed for small scale interventions much less for the defense of europe against a potentially large scale threat from the russian federation so we need to stay together and rebalance the alliance that's where trump has legitimate grievance with the other allies and mccraw should work on strengthening the european pillar of nato rather than taking europe in a totally separate direction let me bring pavel in and ask this question some of the headaches which russia has had with nato expansion is and would any of that be dealt with if we saw a different sort of common european defense arrangement would that deal with the placement of certain u.s. missile systems that say in poland and so on and so forth or ultimately would we see the same sorts of military postures just with a different. oh those are missiles that have been deployed then.

a europe i wish to see this is exactly the kind of europe where our founding fathers and mothers they founded the europe in the ashes of the 2nd world war so we as as we created new nations it was very painful to see how if you were only had national interests and self interests in mind how bad things could work out it was important to forge unions with one another. mutual trust and out of that mutual trust we have growth and strength and those of the years which we've been following for. decades so we have this community which has been created in strength and in peace and now today keeping in mind this invisible enemy these basic values of our union have been threatened we have to be able to trust one another we have to rely on one another we have to help each other through these hard times and at this moment it's our biggest obligation to save lives to save our way of living but at this time in the future and i hope it will be soon there will be a day when we will look to the future and then at that time we have to work together to create that future. and then we'll learn our lesson

in terms of the public knowledge in europe. i think initially we would probably say the financial side is important. there are a number of appeals, more money will be needed, those appeals will increase. that's very important than the public, as you said, have been incredibly generous as refugees increasingly move to the west to other countries. there are other things that people don't be volunteering, helping with education translation again, fundraising with helping refugees to really find se and integrate in those society because unfortunately, this is not going to be very short term. it is going to be a bit longer. we think deb camila cause matthew mentioned there at the beginning of december, you temporary protection directive, which is which has been activated now. it was an activated back in 2015 during the refugee crisis there. when we saw people coming from escaping the war in syria and iraq and afghanistan, why is that? why is it being activated now? so i think 1st a bit of background on best temper protection directi

to stop them europe is build. a double barbed wire fence it's a modern version of the great wall of china and more recently the birdland wall while those walls relied on height and guards to keep outsiders of a spanish fans bristles with electronic surveillance gear but the purpose is the same. offensive replaced much lower was too easily breached with the result battle for the truly desperate saulteaux became a stepping stone into continental europe. and the words. of my morning. smart. being you know. the. difficult is. those who still charms their luck wait in the surrounding forests but if course they're transported back to their countries of origin by the moroccan or qualities. now though there are a growing demand for a more constructive approach to bring about a lasting solution to the problem of illegal immigration. throughout time and even to drop by say. what you have. i said. i see a gun i go ahead. on that i feel that it is just awful you know this appropriate bicycle nothing i'm going to get out of a

and europe 1st of all europe is made up of many different national countries or with their own history and identity back the experience of racism and discrimination is common. in both europe and the us and i and i would like to say that it's not so easy to distinguish between slavery in the us and. the colonial history in in europe because it's very much linked so we're talking about systems of oppression and white supremacy which is global and racism is global and we can see that also with the with the response with black lives matters so of course of course it's something that came up in in the u.s. but its reach is beyond the u.s. borders you see black lives matters protests since 2015 in the k. other parts of europe and it's becoming something that people can identify with it's not so easy to just say that you know the u.s. had slavery and slavery on only us kind of grounds and perhaps it didn't take place in europe but lots of european historic leaders were involved in the slave trade there were involved when at least $19000.00 africans died in the in the middle passage and on the

is undermining transatlantic relations and europe may have to defend itself can europe live without the us this is the inside story. i don't welcome to the program it is a product with friends like donald trump who needs enemies that was the reaction from european council chief donald tusk when the us president with a juror from the iran nuclear deal and reimposed sanctions well you leaders want to save the nuclear deal and a multi billion dollar business contracts but european companies to u.s. demands by pulling out of iran including british airways and air france which aground and flights to that's despite a revised e.u. legislation called blocking statute it's aimed at nullifying u.s. legal action against european firms which defied u.s. sanctions on iran and the e.u. agreed to twenty one million dollars in aid to iran to help offset the impact of sanctions. germany's foreign minister has called for independent payment channels to be created which would avoid u.s. sanctions and a newspaper article i ma said it's indispensable that we strengthen european autonomy by creating paym

and again, what brings europe into this for africa? it brings a partner that has a lot of expertise, has good experience in terms of technology transfer. again, what africans need a lot is to be able to create a, an environment which makes businesses thrive. that is able to develop technologies and not be dependent on knowledge is built and develop elsewhere. so that means strengthening partnerships between universities and the industries and so on and so forth. and this is something that europe have a lot of experience. and at the same time, and i think this is quite crucial. europe can be a market for african technology, as i said earlier, african banking systems, so way more developed in europe, backend systems when it comes to digital economy. so opening up digital partnerships may very well give african bennett the opportunities in the european markets, african apps, african tools that are still quite common. i mean, previously you were referring to the east africa, the case of them pace, a digital money already developed 20 years

is now the biggest refugee camp in europe many times we have taken the issue to europe but it's taken so to put a stop to it our coasts are being invaded and the impact of illegal immigration is particularly evident in neighborhoods like this one back at the camp a message from one refugee that this anti migrant rhetoric is dangerous. you can't group of migrants together some of us fled persecution others have come just to earn money and then return to africa we don't have that choice we came here because we were being persecuted we came to europe because the rule of law is respected in africa it isn't that with these new policies italy risks accusations that it is also forgetting the rule of law and its moral obligations to those in need charlie and to al jazeera to tell you. ok let's bring in our guests joining us here from geneva leonard doyle spokesman for the director of the international organization for migration from brussels julian to garner a senior analyst on e.u. migration and asylum policies at the open society european policy institute and in london claude maurice labor

in europe driving on the way to europe whether they are refugees into the asylum or whether they're economic migrants they are all being you know they're being in tricked into this journey by smugglers and by social media and at the end of the day i think the thought is kind of has to be on how do we save the lives of these people then we can argue about distribution and or the other things out later on in the gonna this seems to be a slightly weak but across the board a general consensus claude touched on this earlier about tightening europe's borders would that solve the askew. well there's a minimal consensus yes it's a magic between north and south europe and east and west on the fact that we should basically keep people out and also these plans that are trying to off shore camps know that austrade a style models for sign and processing and of course the problem with those ideas is that they're largely unfeasible maybe because no country is willing to host camps and i think the key issue that was dead and again it's being played out even eval is that you governments have failed to delive

it's not just a problem for europe. the rest of the world could go without as rich countries corner the market in a similar way to the vaccines. this year alone, new york natural gas futures are up 106 percent to a high of $5.20 for $1000000.00 british thermal units. it's highest in more than 7 years. but the equivalent gas in europe and asian markets costs $25.00 for $1000000.00 british thermal units. storage sites, a less than 72 percent full. that's the lowest in a decade. or knock on effects. a huge cf industries holdings. one of the was biggest fertilizer groups has been forced to close to plants in the u. k, sparking fears of a looming shortage of ammonium nitrate that could hit food supplies and a shortage of carbon dioxide production could hit the meat to soft drinks. industry will gas is also used a power electricity generation. unsurprisingly, prices of soaring in that market to several energy suppliers have already collapsed in the u. k. governments across europe preparing to hand up money to households the c

needs to hedge that's why europe needs to have a plan b. those doubts and the need for the plan for a plan b. come at the worst possible moment because europe is beseeched by anti liberal forces also from with from within and by and anti-liberal author terry and powers russia and china from without so it's a very precarious moment but europe doesn't have any other choice i agree with mr goss that of course it's easy to say you're pulled this off because there are so many countervailing forces but those politicians who believe in europe and to believe that even a big country like germany is no longer enough sufficient to hold its own in this kind of tumultuous world they need to kind of invest to try to convince the public and make the most off this situation that in terms of the turmoil is is indeed unprecedented and should they use you know the issue of iran to come together and stand up to the u.s. on this most of us will go to you. i don't think iran will make them much. effect or will have much effect on european public opinion. and thi

and we also need to get a little bit west in europe century, less western europe century because when you go to, you know, athlete time, other places where people need mobility, they may not have the money to invest in all that an electric vehicle infrastructure. so we need to make sure we keep the we still and like we find and power whilst we move on that fast speed towards energy transition address. let's just move the debate on quick and talk about emissions. i mean, what impact you think the energy crisis then we'll have on you emission commitments . i mean, if renewables on foss enough on cold and gas as you say, a plug in the gap, how is that like it? and to play out next month, clock $26.00 in glasgow. well 1st of all, i say, you know, the current crunch said we're talking about is, i mean, it is not great and it's difficult and it will affect the most vulnerable people across europe and elsewhere. but i would still say it's temporary, it is something that will go away after you know, a couple of months when, when the markets will change again. well, when we're going to have a

particular into 1000 of 121314 with the hundreds of thousands of people crossing into europe now europe is not the same you have breaks it and you have that the rise of the populists of the far west and we're talking about the need to fix the problem of migrants when you have could not be the same again isn't this something this is going to definitely have an. impact on the issue of migrants in the near future. well firstly i don't think we should talk about the problem of migrants because the real crisis within europe is the demographic crisis and if europe doesn't actually accept new populations it really will have problems and that is true for every country in europe even those that are most fervently against accepting new populations so i think what we've seen is that the extreme right has been able to exploit the situation that was provoked by the conflict in syria which led to quite a large number of people seeking protection in europe however even during that situation in 2015 the numbers of people arriving in europe were far less than the numbers seeking protection in other coun

we're wasting precious time actually to invest in a stronger europe a stronger europe that can defend itself also against an ever more aggressive china and we're investing we're failing to invest in our own in the strength of. our own industrial base germany had a fantastic economic development for the most part over the past 10 to 15 years we've had a good run but it's very unclear whether germany is well prepared for kind of ensuring prosperity of our economy in the future we should be investing and discussing this right now but rather we are in the kind of dealing with this kind of petty internal domestic political turmoil and germany is very much adrift it's still a default big country in europe it won't just to become politically irrelevant way too big for this but right now we're not assuming any sort of leadership role that we've kind of given that to french president calls now the more active figure on the european political scene. julian. this this petty domestic incident internal turmoil is as thorsten put it to what extent is that diminishing germany's reputation for politi

and in europe itself, united in whatever actions taken against russia, better loan, the us and europe on the same page. no, no, we haven't seen my immunity. and there is, 1st of all, that a lot of divisions in europe itself because the various countries within the europe have different degrees of ties. is russia economic times of some countries so much stronger? for example, germany says, traditionally build these high dependence on russia, russian hydrocarbon supplies. so yes, there is become, see that the u. s. and a europe out on the same page. and what is that? as well as all the uncertainty doing, you know, to markets, how have they been reacting? what is the sort of, you know, not, i will not say pre war, but the anticipation the uncertainty doing market sentiment. you, as i said, the fear itself is already affecting the market and here. well, 1st of all, the russian markets going to be 2.2 while and in the last few weeks away. but i want to to see here that the last few days, actually this situation has come down. and these happened after russia reacted in a relatively mild fas

i mean, europe and i repeat, europe is the largest owner and investor in africa and around the world. so we're just trying to use and you to a new instrument to gather all the resources that are already being invested by europe, european companies, and european governments, and try to bring in and a one umbrella with a common objective. and these objective is to be when, when we don't want these to be only something that serves european industries and interests or on european companies, we want also to cooperate with the local governments and local business. of course it fixed. it was quite interesting when you said there and said louise santos were aimed at bringing together an existing trade in existing projects. how much of this is going to be new money? the headline figure, of course, is $300000000000.00 euros of investments over the next 6 years or so. but how much of this is actually new? well we have new facilities now and most of what will be new will be money brought by actually the private sector and some of the financial institutions that will be in that will be also associ

make time for europe that's the german chancellor angela merkel on the migrant crisis which is polarizing the ease some countries are threatening to seal the borders so could that sealed the fate of the european union itself this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program i'm peter it is an issue that has split the european union and as the german chancellor angela merkel is warning it's make or break time for the future of the twenty eight nation bloc e.u. leaders are in brussels to discuss the migration crisis with deep divisions over how to manage the migrant flow into europe a controversial proposal to set up asylum seeker processing centers in northern africa will be examined france and germany want a shared responsibility among the member states but right wing governments are demanding tighter border controls and policies to reduce the number of migrants getting in well ahead of the summit dress the german parliament warning of how vital it is that europe does find the right solution. oh but you know how europe faces many challenges but migration could become the make or brea

s foreign policy chief europe was built on the idea that walls have to fall down europe was built on the idea of coming together. there are more refugees and migrants traveling around the ward within africa within asia than those that are coming to europe this to say we have as europeans to put things in perspective and to realize that it is not only a european phenomenon it is a global move. starting from wars conflicts poverty natural disasters climate change it is the world that is going in that direction people move out of desperation out of hope and we have to learn how to manage this. without a political solution in sight migrants and refugees remain undeterred taking on increasingly dangerous routes into europe. when we where in the border in the sea i was standing on one leg and raising my son on the other while still in order to get him up from the water because the water was still here. for the. fields and for me to the poles good kids are renowned for their courage on the final. one finds out what it types to join the elite brigade. on al-jazeera. to his supporters hungary

so number one, but as a block europe, europe is more important. and there's a lot of old about really a business relationship, especially between mosque or russia and germany. there's a lot of connections on different levels. i mean, russian president, redeemer butch, in is very fluent and german, and addressed the bundle, start, go on speaking german. so they read the russia was always looking to, for a special relationship with germany and germ drive, very much wants to make germany a kind of hub for rush and gas supplies to all of western europe, and possibly bypassing ukraine. and that would be our kind of break up of that through a while and break up of those relationship would be very costly in terms of poetical and in terms of money to or of this isn't the 1st time we've seen energy being used as a diplomatic political weapon, this happened in the seventy's when opec decided it wasn't going to supply the west with oil over a variety of different things, including actually how much money they were getting for, for their oil. so at the, had t

so europe is tied to russia, russia by europe, basically before moscow. that's also not that bad because there's this so bad idea that russia should build bridges, europe as try and push the american. now do something from monday to do and establish time with germany and primarily, but with all the other european countries. that's kind of very close partnership. that's not very working. yeah. but then the commercial part of it. and then of course, the problem of your brain, which right now finds itself in a position where moscow at will if it wishes to continue to supply gas to europe with contract that brigade. sions, but not sending much or at all to ukraine. and that's for sure. let's, let's talk a little bit more about ukraine's options here, michael. but the acute, if ukraine continues to feel that europe in the united states are not looking out for them on this issue, does that risk join them closer to china's or bit as has been suggested by some? yeah, absolutely. i think the feeling in ukraine is i've recently returned from there is that it's been

a think tank dedicated to public policy in france and europe versus lab. how do you explain rushers resilient economy despite the string of unprecedented western sanctions? yeah, as you mentioned in your coverage. so it's been a much better than expected. so i would like to stress the russian oil and gas flow grow. and so still, despite all the conversations about implementing strong, better than not helping stopping the expert actually goals, then despite the fact be dependent on the russian get why and europe is very high. so it over the russian market in europe, all the 30 percent and even now, just about 40 percent. and some countries like central to europe, it's more than 80 percent and gas balance covered by russia. we've been that it's not easy actually. it's a great one. just talk, flowing and the buying and having some trading relationship. so in this, by the oldest press, all this political now just political dispute. it give more to the market. it's very nervous about the, you know, stopping, and then the just, you know, not having russian suppl

legitimate space in europe after the cold war series a felon in brussels was this for you a domestic speech delivered internationally by mr pompei. at the munich security conference that was just held over the weekend he did say democracy is winning and that kind of language is what resonates with the u.s. audience but it he was followed by defense secretary esper whose whole talk is pretty much china china china so it's a very different different narrative and the europeans felt that the pump speech wasn't very well received and that it wasn't actually very well written we've seen a decline in democracies throughout the world and authoritarian rise and the biggest issue right now for europeans is how they're going to navigate between an authoritarian china and the u.s. also they're worried about russia as we have this difficult narrative and how the u.s. is going to map it out they made a pretty clear at the munich security conference that europe is going to have to choose and this is one thing that europe does not want to have to do will require in london so clearly the u.s. expect

the europe has experienced an increase in the popularity of right wing groups in recent years much of their rhetoric is based around national populism and attacks on migrants and muslims and they've gained more ground with the rise of far right political parties in european parliament's right wing movements have held protests against immigration and slam in several parts of europe and violent attacks have been carried out by far right activists including near nazis and white supremacists germany's domestic intelligence agency the b f v says there are more than 24000 far right extremists in the country and believes almost half are potentially violent in france 10 people suspected of planning attacks on mosques muslim leaders and women wearing veils were arrested last year and in the u.k. the european union's law enforcement agency europol says 5 right wing terror plots were recorded in 2017. let's bring in our guest now to talk more about this in pescado italy via skype we have italian journalist stephano veggie in lisbon we have michelle believe it is the chair at the center for resea

it also threatens europe. it threatens the international order, this body is charged with upholding. we continue to hope russia chooses the path of diplomacy over the path of conflict in ukraine. but we cannot just wait and see. but russia's ambassador vaseline, the benzine says, all his countries troops around russian soil, they're not close to the ukrainian border. and there's absolutely no proof of a threat from them. he says the us and nato were whipping up tensions as though they want to be a war outside the council chamber. i pushed him further on this. are there any circumstances in which russian troops would cross the border into ukraine? can you be clear for it? i am. i am not the person to decide whatever happens, but we never. i said it in my statement that no russian petition or even their public figure ever said that we are planning to take your great what a clear answer. it seemed. but then he added this with not exclude provocations from uh, from ukraine inside the separatist. republics, they sa

particular into 1000 of 121314 with the hundreds of thousands of people crossing into europe now europe is not the same you have breaks it and you have that the rise of the populists and the far west and we're talking about the need to fix the problem of migrants when you have could not be the same again isn't this something this is going to definitely have been a huge impact on the issue of migrants in the near future. well firstly i don't think we should talk about the problem of migrants because the real crisis within europe is the demographic crisis and if europe doesn't actually accept new populations it really will have problems and that is true for every country in europe even those that are most fervently against accepting new populations so i think what we've seen is that the extreme right has been able to exploit the situation that was provoked by the conflict in syria which led to quite a large number of people seeking protection in europe however even during that situation in 2015 the numbers of people arriving in europe were far less than the numbers seeking protection in o

so people from eastern europe are moving out of their home countries but people are moving to europe say feels like there's almost an untapped results right there this is what prime minister viktor orban of hungary had to say about the results he doesn't like the idea of people from outside hungary coming in to hungary have a listen we meet at that and we get out we'll keep pressure megaworld only we must push away the arguments that in global terms migration is able to solve the european population decrease if we accept it then there is nothing that we need to do but if we do not accept it then we do need to do something if europe in the future will not be populated by europeans and if we accept that as a natural facts then we basically contribute to an exchange of populations we contribute to the process that the european population will be changed there will be local shackle teacher. this has to be an obvious answer but why is so many european east european countries so anti the idea of people from outside coming in to help them with the fewer numbers of what as they have for inst

in scotland in in or out with the advent of europe. many countries many regions fear that they should have all identity of more of their local relive all right and we are after so in france a few other regions with a stronger than the less and forget that france is constituted of many different areas the basque region to britain region to front as region to some border region all of them with a strong identity which is contrary to the french tradition of uniformity within the country but of course you go you see has a head start because it is an island right as he say jpac there's been a lot of talk on the rise of separatist movements across europe in recent years there was a scottish referendum on independence in twenty fourteen of course which saw scott . and natalie vote against leaving the united kingdom in italy two northern regions voted last year to negotiate greater autonomy from rome and then there's of course spain catalonia controversial secession referendum in october last year political crisis including the arrests and cha

and the investment funds of europe do not allow it and if the whole of europe does not agree with this now it seems like that will be allowed and now there was a meeting about 3 days ago among the european leaders they have yet to explicitly decide what the measures will really be and they've given themselves 2 weeks to decide even though italy and spain which are in the middle of the peak of their crisis well actually spain has yet to see it. have asked that to come faster italy has also proposed what had been proposed earlier. in also the former economic crisis for a shared a european bond they're calling it now corona bond to try and make the sound softer to the ears of countries like germany and austria and finland who of course would prefer to keep the state of the bonds as it is now so each state can sell their own bonds while italy and spain and now also micron from france has declared that there should be some sort of measures to allow the european union. european even if it was just for this crisis and so italy i think italy spain and other countries of the south of europe are