recovered from alec baldwin? >> as of right now, there were three firearms that are located on the set within close proximity to the incident. we're still going to determine -- we'll send the firearm that was fired by mr. baldwin to the crime lab and do a functionality test. obviously it did fire a live round. the other weapon is a single action .45 revolver. that up with looks like there is some modification to the cylinder. it may not be functioning but that will be determined by the crime lab. the other firearm is a plastic, n non-functioning revolver. >> can you talk about tensions on the set? obviously there were people who were around the accident, members who may have been drinking the night before. can you talk about that and was there tension around that? >> i won't talk about specifics, but we are aware of today rumors or those statements that have been made, and we're going to do the best to track those down. >> you're obviously responsible, sheriff -- sheriff! [ inaudible question ] >> there was a sea

and where was that gun before it was handed to alec baldwin? >> you know, they are out in the desert and i mean is it possible -- i guess it is -- that some people -- listen, i don't want to speculate or go too far afield here but people were using it as target practice? or using it to -- as, you know, live rounds to shoot target practice and maybe forgot something in there? i don't know. >> i mean, obviously, someone put a live round in there for whatever reason. i don't know like you said. target practice. did they go hunting? were they, i know, rehearsing? why they'd be rehearsing with live ammunition, i don't know. but obviously, someone -- you know, a human being put live ammunition in a gun that should not have had live ammunition. and then, they told the actor, alec baldwin, it's safe. it's cold. you're okay shooting this prop gun. >> the los angeles times and other media reports that -- that crew members -- that they quit production due to conditions and safety concerns, including gun safety protocols and listen, everything is being inv

alec baldwin taken after the incident. he appears obviously, he is distraught. who wouldn't be. tell us more about what you're hearing from alec. >> what we're hearing from him are his tweets that said he's in touch with her family, that he -- there are no words to describe how he's feeling and let's be honest. like you said before, people are politicizing this. there is no politics in this. this is hollywood movie making. it was make believe. it was pretend that went really bad. i can't imagine what is going through his mind. i know that people on the set are in shock. the guilds are bringing in people to talk to the people onset who witnessed this. all they were going to was to witness a rehearsal and see them block shots and they witnessed the most unthinkable tragedy. >> halyna hutchins, her agency said she's a ray of light. she has a husband and son. >> what is wonderful, this was a second career for her. she started off as an investigative journalist from the ukraine. graduate of afi. we just reported that afi set up

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alec baldwin says he has nothing to hide. we're hearing from the actor in a raw and emotional first interview since the deadly shooting on the set of his film "rust." >> the tragedy took the life of cinematographer halyna hutchins. baldwin tells abc news at first he didn't even realize she had been shot. he recalled the moment when the gun went off. >> she was someone who was loved by everyone who worked with and liked by everyone who worked with and admire d. sorry. but admired by everyone who worked with her. the trigger wasn't pulled. i didn't pull the trigger. >> you never pulled the trigger? >> no, no, no, no. i would never point a gun at someone and pull the trigger ever. that was the training i had. >> you just pulled -- >> the hammer as far back as i could without cooking the -- >> you're holding on to the hammer -- >> i'm showing, do you see that, is that good? yeah, that's good. i let go of the hammer and bang, the gun go. everyone is horrified, they're shocked. it is loud. they don't have their earplugs in. the gun

baldwin appearing emotional as you saw in that clip. he also described this incident as one of the worst experiences of his life. take a listen. >> you said you're not a victim, but is this the worst thing that's ever happened to you? >> yes. yep. yeah. because i -- i think back and i think of what could i have done? >> reporter: again, a lot of unanswered questions. we're hoping to learn more when this interview airs, alisyn, victor. >> okay, lucy kafanov, thank you. let's discuss this with a veteran movie stunt coordinator and armorer, also a former member of the nypd. scott, great to see you again. can a gun go off without someone pulling the trigger? >> so, the more information that comes out, the more questions i have. this was an old west style cowboy gun and it's being called an antique. i want to know how old was this gun actually. if it is before 1898, the atf does consider it an antique. is it just a modern replica that looks like an antique? this is a gun that has to be fired single action and single action only, and gun safe

what did alec baldwin do and what did alec baldwin do to your client. there's no question a gun that was in his hand went off and killed someone, but it wasn't your client. >>er some, of course. >> so what i'm trying to figure out at the moment when your client saw it, saw the whole thing happened, told alec baldwin he bore no responsibility, from that moment to now, what changed? >> it's -- a person who is a victim who suffers, and the suggestion that my client hasn't suggestion is absurd. it's a total lack of understanding for people that suffer emotional stress and post-traumatic stress syndrome. my client has suffered tremendously. for alec baldwin to say i find it strange that he filed suit before matthew hutchins is absurd. matthew hutchins is suffering in his own way and will do what's best for him. there is no basis for mr. baldwin to criticize mr. svetnoy. he is exercising his legal rights. and to criticize him is not alec baldwin's place. >> how would your client feel if your client was to get money before the family of halyna hutchins? >> it'

alec baldwin is asking how a live bullet ended up in that gun. watch this and we'll talk. >> as far as i'm concerned, someone put -- the investigation's going to find that someone put a live bullet in a gun, a bullet that wasn't even supposed to be on the property. this is the thing i hope the sheriff's department doesn't give up on, follow it to ends of the earth. where did that bullet come from? somebody brought live rounds, plural, on to the set of the film and one of them ended up in that gun. if the bullets didn't come on the property, we wouldn't be having this conversation. >> i mean this is still under investigation, sharon, this fatal shooting. but this was a stunning interview. he didn't even know he had shot her, thought she had fainted. what stood out to you? >> that was headline of the story we put out on "the wrap" about this. he thought she had had a heart attack or hit with a dummy bullet. bauding he called it. he didn't realize for 45 minutes that she had been shot. notion of that just crazy to me, and then -- but also indicates

called it when he said he called gun, and handed it to alec baldwin he distrusted. and the noticeable reporting, the gun expert who had been on movie sets as an armor himself, it was a possibility since they were in a rural area, where they target practicing, and possibly trying to show the actor how to be more authentic and so on, just so the audience knows, cnn has not confirmed the reporting, when asked by the rep for comment, they referred back to the previous statement, though we were not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety and said, we will be conducting the internal review while production is shut down, safety concerns, and my correct? >> the day of the shooting, resigned the night before, not only safety conditions, problems, people working long hours, and the more we learn about what was going on, the more concerning it really is, and while there is no bringing back halyna hutchins and alec baldwin has to live with what he tragically accidentally did, there is a real concern of reliability and whether corners were cut and

with the revolver like what alec baldwin was using, there are chambers. there is the possibility that there was a piece of debris stuck in the chamber or in the barrel. and if the weapon wasn't checked properly before it was brought to set, there's a very good chance that that projectile is what exited the barrel if it was not a live round. and that's something that we'll find out soon, i hope. >> i think is really crucial because you are pointlining out doesn't need to be a live round because the gun would be able to -- just the speed, right, that the projectile itself would function as -- as a -- a bullet, in essence. now, we have learned, to your point about whether it was checked, that the assistant direct or on this film, dave halls, had been fired for a gun incident in 2019 that injured a crew member. and that year, someone who worked with him on another project complained he consistently failed to announce the presence of a firearm on set. so, what do you make of the fact that -- that this is the person who handed the gun over to alec baldwin, give

baldwin. this is -- this is the firearm we believe discharged the bullet. we also believe that we have the spent shell casing from the bullet that was fired from the gun.

steve, that gun baldwin used was referred to a prop gun. is there any reason why a live round might have been inside the gun's chamber? if not, are there any firewalls in place on the film set to ensure that doesn't happen? >> well, there's no reason to have had a firearm that was capable of discharging live ammo on the set. anything that an actor touches is a prop. so if an actor touches their cellphone, you know, it becomes a prop. but when we say prop gun it means that as a gun that's beenmicically modified so you cannot put live ammo into it. only blanks can pit into it. >> okay, we're having some issues, steve. go again, sorry. we were having some issues. it was hard to hear you and you were pixilated. go again. >> okay. so i was just saying that a prop gun is a gun that's been specifically manufactured for shooting blanks, not bullets. in fact, the bullets won't fit into a gun that's been modified properly, only blanks will fit into it. and that's a safeguard to ensure that live ammo is not loaded into guns that are used on set. so if

baldwin. he's very profession a.m. he's very safe, very courteous, so i can't imagine what he's going through right now, but things like this don't happen on movie sets usually. i think there's maybe been a couple of instances over the many, many years that films have been in production since the '20s that something like this has happened. >> when you talk about this unknown, right, we don't know if it was a live round that was fired. >> we don't know. >> nothing definitive there, but could something other than a live round been fired out and seriously hurt or obviously killed somebody? >> well, i don't know what range the gun was at, how far the -- how far away the gun was from the young lady that was killed. it is very hard to get killed by a blank, at least a professional movie blank. the blanks that we use are just a crimped casing so the only thing in them is powder which is what simulates the flash and a western the smoke from guns so the worst people ever got is a powder burn which would be irritating but certai

you have alec baldwin saying he didn't pull it and another corroborating baldwin's claim he never pulled the trigger. is it important to get to the bottom of this? >> yeah. either the assistant director is going like this and blaming the armorer with it. the idea is that a gun is a piece of machinery. it could potentially accidentally discharge for a variety of reasons, but i'm always skeptical of a shooter who says he didn't shoot. we have one person saying his finger was not on the trigger. another person saying, yes, it was. and, yeah, it is important to get to the bottom of this, but i don't think it changes baldwin's liability here. baldwin was a producer. he wasn't just an actor relying on a prop being given to him. so even if we have this additional category of people liable, the owner of the prop store who provided the ammunition, you know, the gun manufacturer, discontritributor whoever gave birth to this gun that made it on the set could potentially be liable if this was, in fact, an accidental discharge or some sort of defect. but it's an added level of liability. it doesn't t

that's who investigators say handed the gun to alec baldwin before baldwin shot and killed halyna hutchins. halls' attorney now denying that he actually handed the gun to baldwin. >> it states that my client grabbed the gun off of a prop cart and handed it to baldwin. that absolutely did not happen. that absolutely did not happen. witnesses, also, confirm that they remember that the armorer or the armorer's assistant brought in the firearm, brought it onto the set. >> outfront now, the sheriff for santa fe county. adan mendoza. and sheriff mendoza, i really appreciate your time tonight. i know the affidavit filed by one of your officers back on october 22nd was very clear. it states that dave hall -- halls grabbed one of the prop guns on a cart outside, yelled cold gun, handed it to alec baldwin. at this time, from everything you know given that halls' attorney now pointblank denying that happened, do you stand by that report? >> well, i think there was different statements that were put in affidavits for search warrants. those aren't all inclusive of all the statements, obviously, in the

pull the trigger and baldwin did not have his finger on the trigger. theatrical firearms safety expert steve wolf says why he finds that not likely. >> not plausible. on the single action revolver, when you pull that hammer back, click, click, click. now the hammer is set. when you pull that back and let go, you can see i am not holding this, the hammer doesn't go anywhere. >> he says if baldwin's finger was resting on the trigger when he let go of the hammer. >> he doesn't have to press the trigger if he already has pressure on it for the gun to fire. >> baldwin became emotional describing his admiration for hutchins, but said he doesn't feel responsible or guilty for her death. >> i feel that someone is responsible for what happened and i can't say who that is, but i know it is not me. honest to god. if i felt i was responsible, i might have killed myself if i thought i was responsible. i don't say that lightly. >> after alec baldwin's interview, the district attorney in santa fe released a statement saying that everyone had a responsibility on that

alec baldwin made the claim that he never pulled the trigger. that what he did was he pulled the hammer back and then released it. explain -- >> i'll show you exactly what happened. >> explain to me what he is claim and how plausible that is. . >> okay. so not plausible. on a single-action revolver, when you pull the hammer back, which is an intentional act, click, click, click, click. now the hammer is set. when you pull the hammer back and let go, the hammer doesn't go anywhere. when you press the trigger, which i'm going to do it with this figure so you can see what a minute act that is, it takes very little to press the trigger. option one, he pressed the trigger. it was such a minor press that he wasn't aware that he had ordered that signal from his brain. or option b, he's holding the gun with the trigger depressed. now, on this gun it doesn't matter which order you go in. you can cock the gun and press the trigger. or press the trigger and then cock the gun. if you release it, it falls and the gun fires. so as he is cross-drawing, his fin

don't do that. >> reporter: baldwin doesn't blame himself for what happened. he said he believed the weapon was safe. he did not typically check the guns for safety himself. saying, quote, an actor's responsibility is to do what the prop armorer tells them to do. he stressed multiple times he once answered how a live round ended up on the set. take a listen. >> the there's only one question, where did the live round come from. someone put a live round in the gun, a bullet that wasn't even supposed to be in the property. where did that bullet come from? somebody brought live rounds, plural, onto the set of the film, and one of them ended up in that gun. >> reporter: now, baldwin also attacked the two people who have filed civil lawsuits so far. those are script supervisor mammie mitchell and the chief lighting technician. he said he found it unsettling that they filed lawsuits before hutchins' husband matthew hutchins did. baldwin went on to say he believed it's highly unlikely he himself would be charged with anything criminally. his attorney speaking to cnn d

alec baldwin is also a producer, not the only producer on the show. what liability could he be looking at if any here? >> yeah, don, my view right now is alec baldwin in his capacity as an actor does not have any liability. i think the standard norm we've heard from various experts is if you're an actor and handed a gun and told cold gun, you're entitled to bank on that. as a producer, what role did he do? not all producers are created eq equal. if he was directly involved in the hiring of people that may have had red flags and management of that site, he could have liability. it's more likely going to be civil liability for someone in that position but very serious issues here. >> prosecutors and police have already gotten a search warrant executed by the sheriff. does that tell you anything or is that just standard operating procedure, pro forma? >> that does tell me something. to get a search warrant you can't get that on a whim. you have to as a prosecutor and police officer write out probable cause. you have to write an affidavit and bring it to

alec baldwin thought he was firing a cold gun. instead, it was a shot that proved fatal. director joel souza told investigators that baldwin was sitting on a wooding pew and pointing a revolve toward a camera lens when he heard a loud pop. she was shot in the shoulder and hutchins was killed. >> the first thing that went wrong is that they used a gun that was capable of having live ammo put in it. >> on the rust set, the armorer responsible for prop weapons one 24-year-old hannah gutierrez. on a pod cast last month, she said she recently finished a job at head armor and that her father, an industry vet, had been teaching her about guns since she was 16. >> i was really nervous about it at first and i almost didn't take the job because i wasn't sure if i was ready, but doing it, like, it went really smoothly. >> a crew member on the set of rust calls out the armorer's level of experience and made claims of the producers cost cutting in a public facebook post writing, there is no way a 24-year-old woman can be a professional armory. to save a dime sometimes, you hire people

baldwin shot the weapon. he took the gun, and he fired, and that is when something pierced the chest of halyna hutchins, killing her when she was transported to the hospital, airlifted to the hospital. also wounding the director, joel souza. we do understand that mr. baldwin is cooperating with this investigation, but it's going to be a little while longer before we have more answers, answers that so many here and, of course, miss hutchins' family are desperately waiting for. back to you. >> lucy, thank you so much. and the sister of halyna hutchins has released a statement on the cinematographer's death. sorry. >> that's okay. in an interview, she says, i cannot comprehend her passing. i loved her very much. i was very proud of her. she was my role model. we were always close and remained in touch despite the distance. this loss is a great grief for our family and i see how hard it is for our parents. hopefully time will ease our heart ache. we hope that for them, but we all have experienced loss and we know

are you surprised alec baldwin did this interview? >> i am surprised his lawyers let him do the interview. i am not surprised he would want to do that interview. he is a very emotional, kind of hot headed guy. i understand given all the attention on this case his desire to get his story out there and tell people what his side is. i am very surprised they let him, given the ongoing investigation and all the things involved, the civil cases, very surprised. >> joey, at least one member of the crew is backing up baldwin's claim that he didn't pull the trigger. another one has filed a lawsuit. alec baldwin has been told he is highly unlikely to be charged criminally. do you agree with that? >> it is a difficult criminal prosecution. as i was noting before not all crime is predicated upon i intended to do it. sometimes you can be so careless and reckless in what you do it amounts to criminality. the prosecutor has a real decision to make. at the end of the day you look at two things. number one what did he not do? and should he have had an

now, alec baldwin was wearing western-style clothing. again, this is for an 1880s period piece film. police say the clothing was stained with blood. they confiscated it for the investigation. we know from sheriffs they were combing every inch of the film set. they have been interviewing witnesses, they gathered electronic material, any film from iphones, ipads, anything that could help them piece together exactly what took place that fateful thursday afternoon. lucy cavanaugh cnn, accan you recollect, new mexico. >> for more on the legal fallout from this tragedy, we want to bring in a former federal prosecutor and president of west coast trial lawyers. and he joins me now from los angeles. it's really good to have you weigh in on this. look, everybody understands this was obviously a tragic accident, but even so, at this point do authorities have to look at the fact that there may be some criminal liability here, and that charges are possible? >> no question, paula. even tragic accidents give rise to criminal liability when there is gro

he handed it to baldwin. baldwin at that point should have looked, the armorer should have displayed that gun to him and said here, it's empty. look. check it out together. there's no intermediary. it goes from the armorer to the actor and back. that's it. no first ad. first ad had no reason or business or authority to touch that weapon. the third one is baldwin. all actors know and he's been around long enough to know this, you don't point the gun at anyone. you just don't do it. and he says that he didn't pull the trigger so we're going to go through this again. this is an unloaded weapon. completely empty. and it's a single action revolver. that's the single action. it won't fire unless you actually have that cocked. now, you see that the hammer's staying back by itself. so he's claiming that he held it, he held the hammer back with his thumb and let it go. it doesn't do that. it will not fire. it's a physical impossibility. it goes against everything mechanical. then the only way it could have fired is by

>>> new developments in the alec baldwin movie set shooting. sources telling cnn the assistant director on the film "rust" faced previous complaints about safety and his behavior on two previous movie productions. >> we have an industry-wide safety committee. it's bulletin number one. firearm safety. >> actor alec baldwin saying his heart is broken after meeting with halyna hutchins' grieving husband and son. >>> deal or no deal? as we enter a crucial week in washington, president biden hosting senators manchin and schumer at his delaware home in a push to finalize his spending bill. >> we have 90% of the bill agreed to and written, we just have some of the last decisions to be made. but it's still bigger than anything we have ever done. >> these are big bags of discarded medical gloves. many, filthy dirty. they are part of a global supply chain aimed at countries worldwide. >> we don't know what they were, where they came from. some of them had blood stains. >>> i am pamela brown in washington. you are live in the "cnn newsroom." in mexico, to

more alarming revelations on the deadly shooting on the set of an alec baldwin film. new details on what the crew was doing hours before a cinematographer was killed. >>> blame game. fullback ceo mark zuckerberg trying to blame the media for the issues facing his company as congress weighs how to regulate them. >>> and dave chappelle says he's willing to meet with trans community but has a list of demands. >>> thanks for being here. i do want to begin with disturbing details about the tragedy on the movie set of alec baldwin's new film. the wrap is reporting that crew members on the film "rust" were doing target practice with live ammunition just hours before baldwin was handled one of those guns that accidentally killed cinematographer halyna hutchins. also cnn has learned the film's assistant director, according to an affidavit, is the person who handled baldwin the gun. he was fired from another film production just two years ago over a gun incident. cnn's lucy kavanagh is live with what is happening. what are you hearing today? >> reporter: well, we know as you me

alec baldwin's lawyer, if he's any good, i'm sure he is, has told baldwin you should not say anything at all. if you have to say something, don't say anything about the substance of the case. you can see alec baldwin struggling to find the right balance between wanting to address the situation but not saying anything of substance. >> he did say it was a freak occurrence, quote, one in a trillion. patrick, there were safety concerns on the set, and previous safety complaints against the film's assistant director david halls, who handed the gun to baldwin. do you think this tragedy will lead to reforms on movie sets? >> i think there is two really important factors here. one, as you mentioned, this assistant director had been pulled off of a set in 2019 for an eerily similar situation. so clearly there is an investigation here in this particular instance. but, yes, i do think this is already leading to reforms in so many different areas. we have seen multiple shows now, states they're no longer going to have live ammunition or gun -- real guns, they'll do everything in post. we're seein

let me read for you what alec baldwin wrote on twitter. "there are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of hitch hitch, a wife, mother, and deeply admired colleague of ours. i'm fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this tragedy occurred, and i am in touch with her husband, offering my support to him and his family. my heart is broken for her husband, their son, and all who knew and loved halyna." that's the first statement we're hearing from alec baldwin on what is truly a tragedy all around. we'll have much more on that coming up. we'll be right back. for mike's retirement party. worth is giving the employee who spent half his life with you, the party of a lifetime. wealth is watching your business grow. worth is watching your employees grow with it. principal. for all it's worth. got directv stream. now we can watch live tv and on demand. serena... scary movie... serena... scary movie... serena williams ready to serve. ahh! quiet, please. triple match point ser

baldwin distraught in the sheriff's parking lot after questioning. the investigation remains open and active. no charges have been filed. a prop firearm should shoot only blanks. >> with a blank round, you would have everything you normally have in a real round but you don't have the bullet on it the end of if so when it fires, you get the flash, you get the bang, you get the recoil, you get the exposure but you don't get the bullet flying out the end of the gun. that doesn't mean blank rounds are safe. >> reporter: hutchins posted this video the day before she died. horse riding on a day off. one of the perks of shooting a western, she wrote. born in ukraine, hutchins started out as a journalist, then moved to the u.s. to study and work in the movies. named a rising star in 2019 by american cinematographer magazine. she was 42. >> she kind of brought that eye that she had from documentaries and nonfiction filmmaking to, again, action movies and horror movies so they had this sort of immediacy and realism, as well as this eye for beauty that she had

who is actually responsible, is it the person that handed the weapon to baldwin, is it baldwin himself, that will be a question from the district attorney. we're learning from that man himself, he failed to properly inspect that weapon for safety purposes. >> you spoke with the santa fe district attorney today, this is a big investigation, hundreds of pieces of evidence to go through, lots more people to interview, did she give you any sort of time line? >> you know, she said that this is something unlike anything they have ever seen here in new mexico, but she said that they will be working this as they do other investigations, as methodically, going through each piece of evidence as she tries to render her decision in the prosecution. she's aware of outside pressure, people wanting her to hurry up and render a decision. she's not being moved by the pressure, she's doing this by the books. we're getting indication about what it is that will be the driver in her decision to possibly bring charges. take a listen to what she said. >> and so as of this point, would you say that there's an

. >> the producer, who alex baldwin is, ultimately will share in liability. alex baldwin is facing a situation in which he's the person who has the weapon in his hand at the time it discharges, and he's also a producer on the set who is responsible for everyone on the set. >> this evening is going to be about halyna. >> reporter: in downtown albuquerque, a candlelight vigil. many of the mourners part of the film and television industry. >> there is grief tonight as people mourn the passing of 42-year-old halyna hutchins, but there is also outrage and unanswered questions about how this tragedy, how this senseless shooting could have taken place. >> i just hope all this talking does something and we get the changes that we need for a safe set. i'm sure you know we were about to strike this past monday for safer conditions, and if the world didn't believe us about what's going on, maybe they believe us now. people should be able to go home after performing their job. >> yeah. a child should have a mother. >> reporter: lucy kafanov, cnn, santa fe, new mexico. >>

baldwin taking possession of it. so, we are hoping to get further information on exactly why they were there and how they got there. >> so, are -- are -- are they being cooperative? i mean, the people who would have direct knowledge of that? can you say? >> right now, we have been getting in contact with mr. baldwin and mrs. gutierrez. mr. hall -- to mr. halls, to my knowledge, has retained legal counsel and will work through his legal counsel to hopefully get a further statement and clarifying statement in reference to what happened. >> and, sheriff, there were some reports that crew members were using live rounds for target practice on the set. can you confirm that? >> we have heard that from different sources through the media, through social media, and other sources that that took place. there's no indication that -- that that has happened. we don't have specifics of where that took place and when it took place. and we -- we would encourage anybody with that information to come forward to the sheriff's office. >>

it gives us a look into the final moments before baldwin fired that shot that killed hutchins. the "l.a. times" interviewed 14 crew memberings from "rust," including nine people who were at bonanza creek ranch the day this happened. they gathered records, emails, text messages from santa fe county as well as from communications from the "rust" production. i want to share here a quote from their article, what alec baldwin said as he was doing this move. the "l.a. times" says he placed his hand on the colt .45 revolver in its holster. i guess i'm going to take this out, pull it and go bang. as we previously reported, this was a rehearsal, and assistant director dave halls had told investigators he had handed baldwin a cold gun. director joe souza told us he heard the term cold gun on set and this was a rehearsal where baldwin was practicing a cross draw, where the shooter pulls the weapon from the holster from the opposite side of the body from the draw arm. so we knew some of that context, but this is the first time we're hearing an exact quote from alec baldwin has reported by

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baldwin says he never pulled that trigger. he got very emotional when he spoke about halyna hutchins. watch this. >> she was someone who was loved by everyone who worked with and liked by everyone who worked with her and admired. i'm sorry. but admired by everybody who, um, who worked with her. >> so in response to that, matt, and to what joey said, maybe he felt compelled regardless of whatever the circumstances, whatever exposure he had, that he had to say something because he feels so awful about it. how do you think he came across in the interview because this is still an ongoing investigation as joey pointed out? >> absolutely. baldwin is an emotional guy. he always has been. i mean it's gotten him into trouble in the past. i think this is a guy, remember, who pulled over on the side of the road and did an interview with paparazzi a couple weeks ago. so he is just an impulsive guy. i think he probably said, you know what? i know there's an ongoing investigation. i know this could potentially be bad for me. i want to do it

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so i don't think alec baldwin has potential criminal liability here. i do think he and the production company be sued civilly for money damages however. >> thank you both. >>> well up next, crunch time in the commonwealth. the candidates pulling out all of the stops in virginia with national implications. and the last time he went to eye baseball game he was booed so what could we expect tonight when donald trump showed up at world series in atlanta. we're going to go there live. >>> plus kids 5 to 11 years old could get covid shots as soon as tuesday. a top doctor answers your questions. hearing is important to living life to the fullest. that's why inside every miracle-ear store, you'll find a better life. it all starts with the most innovative technology. like the new miracle-earmini, available exclusively at miracle-ear. so small that no one will see it, but you'll notice the difference. and now, miracle-ear is offering a thirty-day risk-free trial. you can experience better hearing with no obligation. call 1-800-miracle right now and experience a

alec baldwin was holding the gun while rehearsing a scene. president joe biden on the campaign trail in virginia stumping for terry mcauliffe, the democratic candidate for governor with just one week to go before election day. the race is neck in neck. >>> and covid-19 now a leading cause of death among police officers. why are are so many refusing to get vaccinated now? we're going to try to get some answers tonight. first, the latest on the investigation into that fatal shooting on alec baldwin's movie set in new mexico. here's cnn's lucy kafanov. >> the first descriptions of the fatal moment when alec baldwin killing the film's director of photography, 42-year-old halyna hutchins. >> two people accidentally shot on a movie set by a prop gun. we need help immediately. >> court documents released sunday revealing chilling new details of what happened inside the building on that fateful thursday. the film's director joel souza telling investigators that baldwin was sitting on a wooden pew during commercial, cross drawing his weapon and pointi

on the "rust" set, alec baldwin thought he was firing a cold gun during rehearsal. director joel souza told investigators baldwin was sitting on a wooden pew, cross drawing his weapon, and pointing the revolver toward the camera lens when he heard what sounded like a whip and then loud pop according to the search warrant affidavit. souza was shot in the shoulder and hutchins was killed. >> the first thing that went wrong is that they used a gun that was dpabl capable of having live ammo put in it. >> reporter: on the "rust" set, there were concerns the armorer or person responsible for prop weapons was 24-year-old hanna gutierrez. on a podcast last month, gutierrez said she had recently finished her first job as head armorer on a film titled the old way with nicholas cage and that her father, an industry vet, had been teaching her about guns since she was 16. >> i was really nervous about it at first and i almost didn't take the job was i wasn't sure if i was ready but doing it, like, it went really smoothly. >> reporter: a crew member on the set of "rust" calls out

but baldwin said he wasn't involved in budget discussions. he added his production responsibilities on this specific film were strictly creative. he said the only question that needs to be resolved is how that live round ended up on set. >> a big question. lucy kavanagh, thanks so much. here with me now, prop master patrick story. he's worked on "homeland" and the latest "scream" film. patrick, i want to play some of interview where baldwin describings his account of what happened that day. and i want to get your reaction. have a listen. >> in the scene i would have cocked the gun. i said do you want to see that? and she said yes. i take the gun and start to cob the gun. i'm not going to pull the trigger. he said tilt it down a little bit like that. i cobbed the gun. can you see that? can you see that? i let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off. i let go of the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off. that was the moment the gun went off. >> it wasn't in the script for the trigger to be pulled. >> well, the trigger wasn't pulled. i

someone was in charge of the gun that baldwin pulled the trigger on. and someone else handed it to him and told him it was cold, meaning no live ammo. you could also ask, why were they even using a real gun in a rehearsal? why wasn't it a fake? why wasn't it just a rubber thing? they were just blocking out a scene. tonight we're learning more about what is knowable at this moment r ppoint, those two crew members. the rookie armorer, the one in charge of the weapons, she had doubts about her own capabilities and expressed them openly on a podcast just last month, talking about the movie she worked on right before this one. listen to hannah gutierrez. >> i was really nervous about it at first, and i almost didn't take the job because i wasn't sure if i was ready. but doing it, it went really smoothly. dad has taught me everything, but a lot of things, you know, i kind of caught on by myself -- >> observation? >> yeah, just observation, watching him do things or just knowing how the firearms work. i think loading blanks was the scariest thing to me becaus

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alec baldwin -- how does alec baldwin. he was handed what was called a cold gun. and he was rehearsing a scene. isn't this really about the guy who said it was a cold gun when, obviously, they didn't check or know what they were checking for? and the armorer who may have had live ammo on the set? >> not necessarily. when i was in the marine corps, i was taught when handling a weapon. if you need to point it at someone, you need to intend to kill them. if someone hands you a weapon and tell you that it's cold, is trust by verify. you need to verify that gun is safe. if you look at basic gun safety, you treat a gun as if it's loaded. you never point it at someone and you don't put your finger on the trigger unless you intend to pull it. right here, we know alec baldwin, from what we know, didn't verify there was no rounds. why were there rounds in there? it's simple to open the gun up. you can see it. there never should have been rounds in there. for this -- trying to figure out what the line of sight is going to be, et cetera. he has the duty and responsibility. it

baldwin. and when miss -- the industry wide labor management safety protocols that are -- that are supposed to be followed by everyone in motion pictures and everyone in television involving firearms says that everyone who handled a firearm should handle that firearm as though it is loaded, mr. halls apparently didn't show mr. baldwin when he handed it to him that he didn't demonstrate that there was nothing in the rounds, nothing in the chambers. he allegedly made a statement that it was a cold gun, meaning it wasn't loaded. mr. baldwin should not have relied on that statement if in fact it was made, that it was not loaded, that it was a cold gun, and in fact mr. baldwin himself should have checked the gun to make sure that it was not loaded, and another point, brianna, which is very important, this was not even a rehearsal. the rehearsal had not been called because if it had been called, it would have been on the slate. script one, 18c. it wasn't written on there because the rehearsal had no

. >>> tragedy on a movie set in nickname after alec baldwin involved in a deadly shooting. police say baldwin fired a prop gun and killed the film cinematographer and wounded the director. . >> it happened on the upcoming western called "rust." production has been shut down for the foreseeable future. an investigation is under way. a spokesman called the incident an accident. joining us is steve any elam and sandra gonzalez. lay out what we know at this point. >>> sure, john. starting with the timeline. we know this happened just before 2:00 p.m. local time yesterday, according to the santa fe county sheriff's office. they said they were responding to a 911 call for someone who was saying there was a shooting on set. we know that this happened at the bonanza creek ranch on the movie set of the western "rust" that alec baldwin is not only starring in but a producer of. there were two individuals who had been shot. and the way they put it in their statement from the sheriff's department, it was discharged by alec baldwin. that left two people shot, including 42-year-old direc

how the man's family feels who is in the hospital, and alec baldwin. i mean, it's just a tragedy, tragedy all the way around. >> and it should have never happened. >> think of the history of the movie business. this is the se

baldwin remembered her as his friend on a tight-knit crew. he and his family were in vermont when the paparazzi tracked them down. a visibly upset baldwin took their questions and called for new safety measures on film sets. >> would you ever work on another film set that involves firearms? >> i couldn't answer that question. i have no sense of it at all. i do know an ongoing effort to limit the use of firearms on film sets is something i'm extremely interested in. but remember, something that i think is important, that is, how many bullets have been fired in films and tv shows in the last 75 years? this is america, how many bullets have gone off in movies and on tv sets? probably billions in the last 75 years and nearly all of them without incident. so what has to happen now is we have to realize that when it does go wrong, and it's this horrible, catastrophic thing, some new measures have to take place. rubber guns, plastic guns, no live -- no real ammunition on set. that's not for me to decide. it's urgent that you understand, i'm not an e

the pain that alec baldwin must be feeling. obviously alec baldwin doesn't necessarily shy away from controversy in the past in his career. we know that there have been these, you know, provocative moments and just to see him at the center of this, i mean, everybody, you know, look, he's somebody who is a cross generational celebrity. my kids, of course, know who alec baldwin is because of his depiction of trump. we all have known alec baldwin throughout his career, and it's just jaw dropping to see him at the center of this. >> yeah, it is, but keith made good point about the safety checks gone through. we have done set visits to different shows, television shows in particular where they handle firearms, and we do know on those sets you're not allowed to point, you know, those guns at anyone. there are checks and rechecks every single time someone is handling those guns, so we don't know what happened here, but we do know that as an industry practice, especially after what happened with brandon lee on "the crow," there has bee