and this is why they're joining nato. and i think that's the whole region we, you asked earlier about the landscape strategic landscape has changed dramatically . should this go through, you know, some people described it as a natal lake baltic. so you have increased security in an area that, that was a bit of a vacuum for security. so this will change dramatically. and i think this is going to be very hard for putting to explain to the public that are pushing back. you know, it's actually got to new members. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much. all of our i guess own mcnamara, theresa fallon and pablo fog an hour and thank you for watching it to see the program again. any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion got our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at ha, inside store for me, my amazon job, the whole team here. bye

the heart of nato, which hasn't called article five that attack on one state of the nato alliance is a attack on all states of the nato alliance. it is worth remembering here today that the first time article five actually was instituted was after the attack of september 11 2001. it represents a true watershed moment in the history of the nato alliance. it is our great honor to be here for this moment. it is our great honor for us to give our guests the opportunity to enlighten this audience as to the thinking of both of those countries about their own security, and ultimately the collective security of europe. before the conversation gets underway, i would like to take a moment to offer introductory remarks on our guests. you have seen a lot. prior to assuming her role as ambassador, she served as director general or trade in the sweetest ministry of foreign affairs -- swedish ministry of foreign affairs. it started in 1994 with her first hosting to the swedish embassy in moscow. and at the swedish eu representation in brussels working on european security and defense issues. ambass

, protected by nato. and 96% of eu territory will be nato territory. so we share much of the same population, much of the shame -- the same neighbors. it makes reason to closely work with nato and the european union, and we have seen in this crisis how the eu has been instrumental, providing support, imposing sanctions, and also coordinating with nato allies, the united states, the united kingdom, and others. i also welcome efforts on defense, because as ursula von der leyen mentioned, the european div -- the european defense industry is a problem for your band made of. there are many cattle tanks. in europe we have quite a few battle tanks and nine different types. no economy of scale. a lot of costs for maintenance, education, and so on. this is almost every capability that there is too much fragmentation. the european defense fund will have to provide new capabilities, will have to overcome the fragmentation of the european defense industry, and will also help to increase defense spending. we welcome i

and, you know, we hear about nato being revive. never have been this strong and life and you've been saying, hey, things aren't quite as rosy inside the relationship as they're painted to be today . what's wrong from your perspective about nato, and perhaps america's approach to it right now? well, i think nato is united in opposition to the russian invasion. that's the good news . if it wasn't, it would be stunningly bad data native suppose now, where was it? say, 6 months ago. this is a process is they like to say and at the beginning and today, there are still significant divisions within nato, about how to respond, what the outcome should be and a number of other important issues. there are certainly been some improvements, finland in sweden, joining nato, strengthen the alliance. some countries have come to the realization they have to do more in terms of providing for their own self defense and their contribution within nato. but there are still many political disagreements about the road ahead . so i think it's a mistake to

in joining nato. this is about 25 minutes. >> ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states, accompanied by the president of the republic of finland and the prime minister of sweden. [band plays "hail to the chief brts] -- "hail to the chief"] pres. biden: please be seated, thank you. it's not only a beautiful day, this is in my view and the view of my team, a momentous day. it's a very, very good day. today i am proud to welcome and offer the strong support of the united states for the applications of two great democracies and two close, highly capable partners, to join the strongest, most power. defensive alliance in the history of the world. two proud, independent countries exercising the sovereign rights all states possess to decide their own security. president niinisto and prime minister andersson, it is great to have you here at the white house. it was out of the wreckage of world war ii that nato was formed. in the seven decades that followed, nato proved itself an indispensable all

is only one part of nato. it is a military organization under collective civilian control. the second thing i would say is, always remember that each of those service chiefs represent a sovereign nation's army or a sovereign nation's military enter treat them with the respect accordingly. and then finally, to consult with routinely and to build consensus as i can. >> thank you, general. thank you, mr. chairman. >> senator scott, please. >> thank you, chair reid. >> general, thank you for being here. thank you for your service and thank you for the visit we had. just recently i went to europe and visited with american troops in germany and lithuania. i went to germany, poland, and lithuania. i was impressed with our troops. from the conversation i had, i was impressed with our eastern european allies. they clearly see the threat and it is important to them. but they are clear that they need our support. they can't do this on their own. there is no nation like the united states, there is no military that is like

nato. this is the scene in helsinki at the moment where government ministers are outlining the proposals. we are expecting that what we have been waiting as announcement, finland will be joining. to discuss why the finns were going tojoin nato, the suggestion is sweden will make a decision on that. the swedish labour party reaching their decision on their policy position later today, we think. this is the scene in helsinki. we are expecting a formal application from the finnish government to nato to allow it to join. we will bring you some extracts from that as soon as we have that. an 18—year—old man has appeared in court charged with murder, after ten people were killed in a shooting at a supermarket in the city of buffalo, in new york state. three others were wounded. of the 13 people shot, 11 were black. police said the gunman, payton gendron, livestreamed the killings. he's suspected of being a white supremacist. nada tawfik reports from new york. a busy grocery store in a predomin

their membership in nato would increase our shared security, demonstrate that nato�*s door is open, and that aggression does not pay. a british military intelligence assessment suggests russia may have lost a third of its ground forces since the start of its invasion of ukraine. pictures have been released of buffalo supermarket shooting suspect payton gendro. president biden has been speaking about the attack... president biden has been speaking about the attack. we must all work together to address the hate that remains a stain on the soul of america. our hearts are heavy once again, but our resolve must never, ever waver. ——payton gendro. the uk government says it wouldn't be deterred from taking action over post—brexit trading arrangements in northern ireland — to try to help restore power—sharing at stormont. and a triumphant ukraine wins the eurovision song contest after claiming the popular vote. good evening. in response to russia's invasion of ukraine — finland and sweden have abandoned their military neutrality and announced their intention to join nato. the allian

of nato. we'll have a country that is half in and half out, that doesn't make any sense, and other complications. there's already some really speculative discussion about nato's role in eastern and central europe. again, speculative but it is. there you can see it in the record, i documented and not one inch. , so baker agrees and in one of the newest documents that i present my book immediately rights back to allies in europe and says forget when i was saying about not when it eastward, that's causing confusion, we're going to drop that language. but it takes moscow a while to notice. and so, putin plays on the sense today that there is a bait and switch back then. when he does that, putin is ignoring what happened at the end of the german unification process, which was the final settlement on german unification in september of 1990. gorbachev in that agreement changed his priorities. he was unable to get that not a large mat pledge in writing. he understood the significance of it, as, himsel

joining nato. interestingly there are many aspects. any hints of time or to focus on one because it's very relevant to new such as broke today. when yeltsin and clinton and one of the times was the bromance is going strong talked about potential russian membership in nato, yeltsin said the clinton you know it's going to be a big problem? the chinese reaction to the chinese are going to be worried about nato suddenly living close to them. size to talk about putin, putting rush into nato, bill, we had to figure out if managed the chinese reaction. just before we went live and learn that putin who is in beijing for the olympics issued a joint statement with president xi. i repeat a joint statement where they join a to criticize the o expansion so in other words, china has now gone on record saying it is opposed to nato enlargement. that is a real signs of support for putin and very difficult for the united states because it you've got three big power centers, moscow, beijing and washington, you don't

yes, this is, this is in the charter of nato. this is what nato is for common defense and for sweden and finland. the fact that they have abandoned decades of policy towards russia and neutrality in the nato, russia oz network. this is a clear sign of failure, also, of putin stated goals and ames and with his invasion of ukraine. he said this was a response against expansion of nato, but he's actually just made clear why this defensive alliance is still necessary. we talked about gil, this is the nato expansion. is it a completely non guilty? is it an innocent activity, an innocent political policy that has been taking place for so long? i think the expansion of nato is the reaction to the wish wishes of the it's new members. i mean, they came to the nature and said, we would like to be part of the club. it was not the nato that said, you must be part of it. and that's why i think, am the russian narrative of being surrounded by the nature of being even threatened that it is a myth, is a necessary myth in order to to keep on line

how will nato respond? we are indeed entering co decisive stage of the war that russia has waged against ukraine in the don't boss in the south. so anticipate the next few weeks to be really decisive. he wouldn't the war could really drag on for a longer period of time. for the time being other than the the rhetoric. oh, would you condemn her by russian leaders? we do not see in military terms, indications for russia willing or able to escalate the situation. would nato, probably the fact that nato has be mobilizing a significant additional force is on these them flank that we have activating for the 1st time in history. the, the defense plans for, for these them flank countries is a significant symbol of deterrence and strength of the alliance. so the war probably will, will re john even more intensely with even more casualties with more sacrifice. but this timing point to do not see a risk of escalation between russian nato. and we also trying to avoid an escalation between nathan russian. i cannot imagin

it could be just be made a member of nato, which be breaking all of nato's own rules. i mean, you know, they call, they constantly talk about the rule of law and rules based order, but they break their own rules all the time. obviously ukraine has a territorial conflict with russia. ok, and so what they're doing is they're actually wanting the, the, the, in fact they want the lines to go into all out with russia because ukraine and russia obviously have a military conflict. but no one is talking about this in a logical fashion in the west. go ahead, sarah. well, 1st of all, ukraine already is a de facto member care of nick, a u. s commanded military machine. that's really what it is. and nato ukraine for a long time. has it's for gates have been involved in the war in iraq, in afghanistan, in all kinds of military war maneuvers and the, with thousands of nato trainers advisors as they're called in the ukraine. there was a equipment just pouring ins really since 2014 i didn't just begin. so as a de facto member not, not voted anywhere even by the member countries. ukrai

, protected by nato. and 96% of eu territory will be nato territory. so we share much of the same population. we share the same neighbourhood, we share the same challenges. of course, it makes all reason to work closer together, nato and the european union. and we also see during this crisis how the eu has been instrumental in many ways, providing support, imposing sanctions and then also coordinating closely with nato allies, united states, united kingdom and others., and i also welcome eu efforts on defense because as ursula vonm, der leyen just mentioned, for instance, the fragmentation of the european defense industry is a problem for europe and for nato. in the united states, there are many battle tanks and one type. in europe we have quite a few battle tanks and nine different types.in no economy of scale, and a lot of extra costs for maintenance, education, and so on. and this is the case on almost every capability, that there is too much fragmentation. so the european defense fund, pesco, all thes

we'll finland and sweetie joining nato. make europe safer. despite warnings from russia, both countries made the decision after the invasion of ukraine. how will the kremlin respond? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much am jerome, finland, and sweden decided against joining nato for many years. both have a long history of remaining neutral during wars and staying out of military alliances. all that changed when russia invaded ukraine. leaders of the nordic nations blame president vladimir putin for endangering security in europe. for finland. the decision could mean abandoning its policy of avoiding confrontation with its enormous neighbor. russia's deputy foreign minister warned a far reaching consequences. the kremlin says it could send more troops to the 1300 kilometer border with finland. but becoming a member of the western military alliance isn't guaranteed, has stepped vast reports from the german capital berlin, finland, and sweden will be warmly welcomed into the nato military all

and joining nato. this is about 25 minutes. >> [inaudible conversations] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states accompanied by the president of the republic of finland and the prime minister of sweden. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> please, please be seated. thank you. >> is not only a beautiful day, this is in my view and the view of my team a momentous day. it's a very, very good day. today, i am proud to welcome and offer the strong support of the united states with the applications t of two great democracies and two close, highly capable partners to join the strongest, most powerful defensive alliance in the history of the world. two proud, independent countries exercising their sovereign right all states possess to the side their own security. president niinisto, you are, and prime minister andersson, it's a great and have both of you at the white house as finland and sweden begin the process of joining nato. it was out

how could russia react to, to finland, to joining nato? yeah. well, we've seen already in that criminal rhetoric over the 10 past 20 years that they don't want any to, to enlarge. and this is something we have to take into account for potentially. they could be some hybrid threats, cyber threats, and also we seen in the, in the past, my lation of air space, this might continue. they might be broken, the switch energy supply with them again f in is heavily dependent on russian energy are such as a gas. so it's is no such a big issue. and i think these are the kinds of hosting meshes that good take place, potentially. right, so a turkey, as we've just heard this report, could still vito villains plan to join nato just very briefly. what would that mean? i think it's a highly unlikely situation to happen. ah, cherokee is, are now bringing this issue on the table maybe to advance its own causes and interests. but i think this is not something odd that hopefully will happen at the end. and tenant will be able to join merits ero soccer, a political sc

white nato is so -- why nato — most brutal way of white nato is so —— why nato is so important as it offensive — —— why nato is so important as it offensive and security union. we all experience — offensive and security union. we all experience on a daily basis, and for the very— experience on a daily basis, and for the very first — experience on a daily basis, and for the very first time that security, peace _ the very first time that security, peace and — the very first time that security, peace and above all freedom is not something — peace and above all freedom is not something that is bestowed upon us from heaven above and guaranteed until kingdom come. i have to say this is— until kingdom come. i have to say this is not— until kingdom come. i have to say this is not an _ until kingdom come. i have to say this is not an easy realisation, it is indeed — this is not an easy realisation, it is indeed a — this is not an easy realisation, it is indeed a painful realisation, because — is indeed a painful realisation, because it _ is indeed a painful realisati

obviously countries can apply to join nato and nato can defy them if it wants. the real question is what is the stated policy of washington towards enlargement, what does putin care about? this initial status where there was going to be, instead of drawing a hard new line they were going to smear the line by having the peace. it would've accomplished the same thing, all of these places would have become members of nato but it would have caused last friction, so it's more about presentation than anything else. let me just close on bob zelick, there are obviously more questions but let me close on bob zelick. he was extremely helpful to me about my book, give me multiple interviews and read parts of the book that were related to his participation and events so i could make sure i had understood them correctly, i do not agree with the idea of scoffing at the russians, they lives of ukrainians are hanging in the balance, and more than that as this conflict escalates, and that's what's very scary. if there were airstrikes, russian aircraft are straying into internati

and we can go back into nato enlargement. in this effort to extend a liberal democratic peace and prosperity, nato did something very unorthodox in the sense that it had it put in the pledge of no troops, no new eastwards. so essentially, to reassure russia to, to show russia it timed in a way. and it didn't have very strong provisions up against russia's borders, which of course, the baltic states on the polls had been highlighting for many, many years and nato, to, to reassure russia. i stayed a persistent with this, i ride up against or right up until i the illegal annexation of crimea in 2014 and even then the nato read in this action plan our operational atlantic result. and later on the enhance forward presence. these deployments have been very, very light and scalable and nato has relied for it's the turns on mobilization. keeping most of its troops in the west on only saying that it will call them all call them in the region. if the security situation on deteriorates further on russia displays even more aggression. ok

nato, poland advocated for ukraine tojoin nato. it of nato, poland advocated for ukraine to join nato. it was of nato, poland advocated for ukraine tojoin nato. it was before the attack on georgia, before crimea, the dundas and this was started by russia this year. a different security situation. probably at that moment, allies would have taken another decision. we would be living in a better world. but unfortunately it was blocked by some of our allies, now we are living with this. nevertheless, it is never too late. it is up to ukraine whether they want tojoin it is up to ukraine whether they want to join nato and when, it is up to ukraine whether they want tojoin nato and when, and whether they are already prepared. it is up to the allies, the allied countries to decide. it doesn't seem that it countries to decide. it doesn't seem thatitis countries to decide. it doesn't seem that it is going to be very, very soon, but it is possible in the case of finland and sweden shows we can do it very fast if we want to do. indeed, that le

and since the invasion, all the nato allies have also stepped up their support, so nato and nato allies are providing unprecedented support for ukraine and we are ready to do so for the long haul. i think mr kuleba's point is that, yes, individual nations, no doubt, led by the united states, are giving increased amounts of military and other support to ukraine, but as an institution, as a coherent group of 30 members, mr kuleba sees increasing division and real disagreement about what should be the level of support for ukraine. well, nato as an institution has also provided support for ukraine for many years, but as always when nato do things, we actually do it very often as individual allies. we had our mission in afghanistan and most of that, the troops and the capabilities there, was provided by individual allies, so this is also very much the way nato works, is that we are totally dependent on the contributions from different individual allies for different missions, operations and activities we do in different ways, so nato allies and nato provide support for ukraine. of course, it

their membership in nato would increase our shared security, demonstrate that nato�*s door is open, and that aggression does not pay. a british military intelligence assessment suggests russia may have lost a third of its ground forces since the start of its invasion of ukraine. president biden says america must do all it can to end hate—filled domestic terrorism, after ten people are killed in a shooting in buffalo. the uk government says it wouldn't be deterred from taking action over post—brexit trading arrangements in northern ireland — to try to help restore power—sharing at stormont. and a triumphant ukraine wins the eurovision song contest after claiming the popular vote. good afternoon and welcome to bbc news. first, sweden and finland have confirmed they will apply for nato membership — ending decades of military non—alignment. the finnish president, sauli niinisto, called his country's decision historic. however, sweden's governing social democrats, said that as members they would not accept nuclear weapons or alliance bases on swedish territory. reports say both c

nato's door remains open. in just a few minutes i'll be leaving to spend time with two of our indo-pacific allies. in a half hour or so i will be flying to the republic of korea and japan. i thank the president and the prime minister for traveling here on this meet, for this meeting, before i take off because it is so important. america's alliances in europe and in asia keep us, and i would argue the world, strong and secure. they're how we confront the challenge of our time, and deliver, deliver for our people today and harness, harness opportunities for better tomorrow. i look forward to soon calling sweden and finland our friends, partners, and nato allies. i want to thank you both for being here, and i'm going to invite each of you to say a few words. we'll start, mr. president, the podium is yours. >> mr. president, it is with great pleasure and honor to be standing here today with you, together with the swedish prime minister, magdalena andersson. we are here for a very good reason, together, we are taki

it seems nothing can satiate nato's appetites. but what about the other clay that the block is purely defensive? well, guess how many countries have attacked nato and sparked a defensive response, but how many were defensively bombed back into the stone age by the alliance? ah ah ah nato truly has a hawkish, shy for sporting threats, thousands of kilometers away and defending proactively on the turf of other countries and continence as for unity, the alliance may not be that allied off rule turkey's long being the rebel kid and nato's big family like when anchor is purchased, rushes as 400 ad defend systems. the move landed in a foul of the blocks till bras. some other member states haven't been to obedient either. it's good that europeans in the united states coordinate, but it's necessary that europeans conduct their own dialogue. we must put together a joint proposal, a joint vision, a new security instability order for europe. i don't think it's justified for germany and nato to become warring parties in ukraine. although we h

a few cray, already nato partners. their accession looked like a done deal, but nato member turkey now says he will not approve the bids present. reggie type heard about repeated his accusation, that sweden fin the harboring members of groups at anchor games terrorists. moscow has described sweden and finland moved as a mistake warning that it would be forced to restore military balance, including the use of nuclear weapons. sweeney succession to data would end 2 centuries of swedish military neutrality by missouri. magdalena undersold underscore the significance of this change in her country's security policy. well, that is your vote. it is a historical and considerable chevy for our country. and we are leaving one era and beginning another. we would in an unknown, but we can enter this new era with confidence that because we're doing it with the best of our history, of your disk, of it, the males, the best star of what lance is told l m a corner nautica, the invasion of ukraine shows what russia is prepared to do the

it was a nato operation. it was in legal nato operation. they killed over 2000 innocent civilians and frankly, innocent soldiers who hadn't declared war anybody ah, for, ah luis to come to rush in the state will never be. i don't really know santini. d vaccination, american house, all sunset for a week within the 55. would this be the keys on that is the final speed. the one else was about this even with we will van in the european union, the kremlin media machine, the state aunt, rush up to date and split r t spoke neck, given our video agency, roughly all band to on youtube with squishy videos. if it was for channels with it was also a vicarious war. it was intended to show russia the new russia. they couldn't go too far the so this case i was nina. what amiability auto squan i scenario niga, others vienna illegal stana this year. we say no good, i'm here in the grocery visio. oh, a national. he was lewinski scenario and last night was bna with talk of the psychiatry for say the one. yeah. don't school go doors. yeah. you know what i mean

nato's door remains open. in just a few minutes, i'll be leaving to spend time with two of our endo-pacific allies. i'll be flying to the republic of korea and japan. i thank the president and the prime minister for traveling here on this -- for this meeting before i take off because it's so important. america's alliance in europe and in asia keep us, and i would argue the world, strong and secure. they're how we confront the challenge of our time and deliver for our people today and harness opportunities for better tomorrow. i look forward to soon calling sweden and finland our friends, partners, and nato allies. i'm going invite each of you to stay a few words. we'll start, mr. president, the podium is yours. >> mr. president, it is with great pleasure and honor to be standing here today with you together with sweden's prime minister. we are here for a very good reason. together we're taking historic step by seeking to join the organization. this is a very thorough process. the process has once again reveale