kemp, brian kemp kept knocking them off. are enough young voters, college students, voters of color going to be able to vote in november to have their say and to attempt to -- to get who they want as governor? >> i believe we can. if you look at the numbers, yes, republicans are outperforming democrats in the primaries. as you pointed out they have hypercompetitive primaries. they are spending millions of dollars beating each other up, and, you know, calling me everything but a child of god, but what we also have seen is dramatic increases in democratic turnout, especially among communities that four years ago weren't voting because they didn't believe it was possible. what we have shown since 2018 and certainly with 2020 and 2021 that it is worst investing, it is worth believing, and we're going to work hard to make sure that every person who wants to cast a ballot can register, stay on the rolls, cast that ballot and have the ballot count asked. i've worked for the last four year, haven't been in office, i've been building

that's incumbent brian kemp. he's trump's number one target in what some even republicans call president trump's vendetta tour, meaning a mission to bring down republicans who refuse to

so in that sense, you still won't see brian kemp. you will not hear brian kemp say a bad word publicly about about donald trump when he's asked about the endorsement and about, you know, his his opponents trump back campaign. he'll focus on david purdue or focus on his own agenda and he'll just say hey, i can't control what other people are doing. i can only control what i'm doing and that's become as sort of standard line again. you're not going to hear him bash the president the former president. you won't hear him trying to engage in a in a fight with him because he's not gonna win that fight right now. he's not gonna he doesn't have more twitter follow well, he does now, but he doesn't have more email followers or all this. it doesn't have the same megaphone that the former president has or the same appeal nationally, but what he does have that he's running on is a record that he thinks the conservative voters will end up supporting. speaking of stacey abrams winning instead of bryan camp if that were a possibility. what is the d

let's start with brian kemp. he's weathered a year of attacks from former president trump for not going along with president trump's now claims about the 2020 election. he still seems poised for victory. how has he held on? >> this is a story about the limitations of what former president trump can do. let's remember that former president trump has called brian kemp a coward, a turncoat, really saying he's a traitor for not overturning an election that was fairly decided. he wanted georgia to go red. it did not go red. here we have former president trump wanting to go against him. he picked out senator perdue saying he wanted this person in particular to run against brian kemp. the way kemp has weathered this is because the republican governors association and a number of republicans have banded together and said we're going to have brian kemp's back. of course we have to talk about the fact that vice president pence is now on the side of brian kemp, the most direct challenge we've seen from the former vice presi

brian kemp and david perdue. this race also i like the way clear rift between donald trump who endorsed perdue and his former vice president mike pence police very clearly black income. pence walk in a rally, and usually five. >> it was good to be back in georgia so many patriots paving the way for historic republican victory six months where no one will win back the house and the senate and reelect governor brian kemp for four more years in the state house. >> poll showed completing purdue by double digits, which is obviously well ahead of the 50% that's required so voided runoff. trump is set to have this done some self recently from purdue as those poll numbers dropped. but tonight, the former data telephone rally for purdue, where he yet again pushed the false allegations of the 2020 election, calling it frauds, and telling voters this, kemp allowed the georgia election to be rigged and stolen. it he's lying you guys. the candidate trump is supporting as asked whether he will accept the results of thomas jaim

brian kemp knows he doesn't have this. this questions come up, he's like i like them both. >> i had a great relationship with mike pence. i had a great relationship with president trump. i never said anything bad about him. i'm not mad at him. i think he's just mad at me, and that's something i can't control. >> that's pretty honest. i'm not mad at him, he's just mad at me. >> i mean, there's been reporters who have called this with vendetta tour, revenge. that's what this is for donald trump. he's been so invested in georgia. he's been invested in a lot of states but perhaps no state more than georgia. and he took it as a personal affront what brian kemp did. not only did brian kemp and mike pence resist trump's attempts to overturn the election in 2020 and not only are they governors, but that restance has united them. that's also on the ballot to our v voters. there are more and more who think the last election was stolen but are voters going to resist that tomorrow? >> that's a key point in the sense that the big lie h

pence is coming down on the side of brian kemp. >> to remind people why donald trump is going after brian kemp. brian kemp, the republican governor of georgia, refused to do anything special to overturn the results or try to overturn the results of the 2020 election, which donald trump lost in georgia, and trump has never forgiven him. now you have the former vice president picking sides with the guy that trump blames in part for losing georgia. >> yeah. and it wasn't just that donald trump never forgave brian kemp, he recruited david perdue to run a really unprecedented primary challenge against brian kemp and david perdue made claims about the 2020 election, the focal point of his campaign against kemp. it really has not caught on successfully. brian kemp is ahead in the polls, he's way ahead in the fund-raising and to be able to have mike pence come in at the end really is because of a huge show of support from other republicans. it is not necessarily in every case in georgia something against donald trump, brian kemp has never spoken badly against donald trump, he's just tried to focu

that's why brian kemp is so strong going into this primary. there are still republicans in georgia who absolutely believe the election was stolen. donald trump told them that. david purdue is telling them that. those are going to be the voters that 35%, 40% who do go for david purdue. but brian kemp is showing you don't have to buy into that, you don't have to push that big lie in order to be successful as a republican governor and a very conservative republican state. it's a battleground state, but it's a conservative base. he's finding a way to sort of threat that needle. you don't have to buy into that to keep your job. i think that's going to be a big message for republicans around the country. >> you two know this state much better than i do. i have to say as an outside observer fascinated by georgia politics, what's happened to purdue -- what are the polls? the latest fox news poll shows him down 32 points. the real clear politics average, down by 22 points. he wasn't on the air for weeks and weeks and weeks. we can dissect what happened

spending, governor brian kemp has valent -- balance the state budget every year. he suspended the gas tax to help with prices of the pump and delivered historic income tax cuts. washington failure david purdue called these tax cuts disgusting. governor brian kemp gets things done. >> on the end of that ad turning to the general election before the primary is done focusing on stacey abrams and a bit of a closing message. guest: abrams will be the democratic nominee for governor. she lost in a pretty competitive race in 2018. for whatever division in the republican party following the primary, i think the specter of abrams potential being governor will be a way to unify the republicans following this fairly divisive primary. i think one problem you start to see with the purdue add is purdue has made his entire pitch about donald trump and the 2020 election the sort of backwards looking. one thing you hear about that is purdue hasn't made a compelling case from a positive case for his own candidacy and wide camp -- brian kemp should be thrown out of office. host: the

it's the brian kemp race. he's running to get one thing, more than 50% of the vote to avoid a june runoff. he's doing that by not engaging his main opponent really who is donald trump. ever since governor kemp certified the 2020 election that grudge match has been underway, and it's been boiling. this is the only primary where the former president has invested actual money, his money into the race. more than 2 $.5 million. that's not been enough to keep mr. purdue, david purdue on television in the final week of this race. what this is going to be is a sense of if governor kemp can simply do what many republicans have not done, ignore donald trump in the final weeks of this race, he's not mentioned his name at all at a rally last evening with mike pence, he was in town. mr. trump's name was not mentioned at all, talking to voters here. they are viewing this race as a distinctive one because there's a republican incumbent governor up for reelection. and they want him to succeed as they look forward to a rematch

i can honestly say i was for brian kemp before it was cool. >> when you say yes to governor brian kemp tomorrow, you will send a deafening message all across america that the republican party is the party of the future. >> and with that, trump's former vice president just may have made the biggest and boldest break yet from the man that is still mad that he certified the election for biden. we already knew that trump was angry with brian kemp. he's been actively working to oust him from office ever since and calling him a turn coat, calling him a coward, and a complete disaster. remember, he even enlisted former senator david perdue to run against him in the gubernatorial primary. now, governor kemp has said today that, well, the bad blood, it doesn't go both ways. >> i had a great relationship with president trump. i've never said anything bad about him. i don't plan on doing that. i'm not mad at him. i think he's just mad at me, and that's something that i can't control. >> the question is how all this is playing with republican voters in georgia and possibly beyond. i mean, despite

i think we'll see georgians know brian kemp and they don't need anybody telling them about brian kemp. they'll see that he gets the votes tonight and we can turn our attention to stacey abrams. >> so if he doesn't get that nomination tonight, do you think brian kemp will be able to pull over former perdue primary voters and others who still support these election lies? >> i think he will. when it comes down to the november ballots and you're staring at brian kemp over stacey abrams, who loves our government, wants to make sure we're the number one state to do business in. and remembering that brian kemp was the first governor to reopen the state during the covid panic, saving a lot of jobs and a lot of businesses, i don't think republicans, whether they supported david perdue, candace taylor or anyone else will be able to turn this over to stacey abrams and her very left wing liberal agenda. >> looking at the big picture on the state of georgia for a minute, congressman adam kinzinger was just on talking to my colleague jim sciutto. they discussed january 6, and congressman kinzinger

the polls show brian kemp really comfortably ahead. it would be quite shocking to see david perdue pull off a runoff at this point. it's been interesting, because brian kemp has really -- has been trying to turn the page. that does seem to be resonating with voters here in georgia. the hard core base of the republican party still loves donald trump. but they are terrified of stacey abrams as gore november. they are looking to brian kemp for electability, too. he defeated stacey abrams once. they are hoping he can do it again. >> sara, i want to play some comments that david perdue made about stacey abrams after she said in an interview that georgia was the worst place to live in the country, it was all in the context, of course, of citing the georgia is number one, she said, in maternal mortality rate, in incarceration rate, very high, as well as some of the other key indicators. without that context, he grabbed on the sound bite. let's see what he had to say yesterday. >> did you see what she said this weekend? she said georgia is the

that's what brian kemp has been doing as well. but listen to the words carefully from former vice president mike pence last night at a rally here as he talked about the future of the republican party. >> when you say yes to governor brian kemp tomorrow, you will send a deafening message all across america that the republican party is the party of the future. >> the future is the keyword. much of this race has been in the past. just a quick refresher course for people who haven't been following this as closely as georgians have. the whole reason that former president trump has been angry at governor brian kemp is because he voted to certify the 2020 election that showed president trump narrowly losing to joe biden. he lost the race, and ever since then the former president has been really had this grudge against governor kemp. but as we head into the really second half of election day here, hours left to vote, there is a sense on the ground here that this could be one of the biggest defeats yet of the former president. he's been al

do you think you can work with brian kemp. >> there's no doubt. you with work with anyone on the republican side. i think president trump, he's going to want the same thing to happen to this state and to this country. we want to see what's best for both of them. i think there's some bad grapes on both sides. >> reporter: republicans seem to be taking an approach of trying to tie rafael warnock specifically to joe biden. herschel walker had a rally last night, and mentioned joe biden's name three different times. he never mentioned warnock by name. he says he thinking the two of them are the same, but looking ahead that might be a strategy republicans take versus going directly after warnock, as they saw them go in the last election cycle, taking the approach we no he's well liked, but his apologies support and go along with president joe biden, who has an approval rating here that just continue to say decline in this state. hallie? ellison barber, we'll look for more of your coverage. >> emma, you hear ellison mention it will election deniers win?

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brian kemp is likely to win. he took on brad raffensperger, the last bastion of integrity, did two recounts, who told the press about the calls he was getting from the former president, donald trump, to try and find these 11,000 votes and change the results of the election. he's been primaried by a trump-supported person. everybody thought he was probably dead in the water as an electoral candidate, but instead he seems to be making a late breaking comeback. it seems like he may end up in a runoff with this guy, better than we thought, and may win outright. you'll see some signs here that people are over it. people are pretty miserable for a lot of reasons right now. joe biden's numbers are in the tank for a reason, inflation is tough, i don't think people really want to relitigate this and i think the results in georgia may underscore that tonight. >> and you hit a point, you talked about joe biden's -- democrats are looking to have a message that goes personally to persons, be it georgia, the five states in the

. >> brian kemp is that he did not do the probe it. he was very similar to ron desantis without the fanfare butted. they like that he put in the voting, into the so-called integrity bill to respond in 2020 that triggered, the left. and caused major league baseball to leave the state. they liked, you know, the fetal abortion bill that he signed the stare. so, this is different, marjorie taylor greene, did the job which was just a tweet. they like the actual job that he. did, so i think that that is really the story. this particular race. and it's less about trump himself. >> yes, i agree with the constituent. can i also think that he just picked a fight that was a hard one for him to win. and to what amy gardner was saying in the last block, i think that in different races, there have been seats with lower name recognition. there's much more danger. i just think that, again, this is a sort of intuitive thing. or just a sort of punch feeling. but, a little bit like, you know, a tv show for season one. and then you just, for whatever reas

we want a strong leader for georgia and brian kemp is the best perso best. perdue stirred controversy monday night, slamming gubernorialandidate stacey abrams for criticizing georgia's poor rankings on infant mortality. >> she said it's the worst state in the country in which to live. she is not from here. my inclination is to say look, you don't like it, go back to where you came from. >> reporter: today, abrams, who has lived here since high school, responded. >> i have listened to republicans for the last six months attack me, but they've done nothing to attack the challenges facing georgia. >> reporter: one of president trump's preferred candidates who did win tonight is herschel walker, the college football star now poised to face off for senate control with raphael warnock. >> ed o'keefe in atlanta, thanks. >>> a second air force cargo plane loaded with formula from germany is expected to arrive in virginia tomorrow and will be greeted by first lady jill biden and the surgeon general. here is cbs'ing me oliver. >> reporter: all eyes are on this nestle

i think brian kemp give us joe biden. give us the troubles are seeing in washington, that we are having in georgia. we got 2 million illegal immigrants that have come in. that would not of happened with donald trump still in the white house. we have still got human trafficking out of control. we have got even a homeland security agency that is going to talk about misinformation, a ministry of truth almost out of george orwell. you know, you talk about not having experience our record. there's good records and bad records. donald trump and ronald reagan, first in office and as united states president. and biden and kemp on the other hand have 70 years of experience and i would much rather be on the side of someone who was never held public office, just as ronald reagan and donald trump did. i'm tom williams, todd -- tom williams tortilla. concrete i appreciate your vote. >> thank you very much. that concludes our debate could we would like to remind voters that election day is tuesday, may 24. early voting begins on may 2.

kemp's refusal to change the results of georgia's 2020 election. >> brian kemp is a turncoat he's a coward and a completeand total disaster. >> reporter: kemp's defiance of trump upset some voters we spoke to. >> i will not vote for brian kemp under any circumstances. >> reporter: but impresses others. >> we want a strong conservative leader here for georgia and brian kemp is the best person for that. >> reporter: perdue has repeatedly touted trump's lies about a stolen election and slumps in the polls. he slammed likely gubernatorial candidate stacey abrams for criticizing georgia's poor ranking and maternal mortality and incarceration rates. >> she said just this weekend it's the worst state in the country in which to live. she's not from here. my inclination is to say, if you don't like it, go back to where you came from. >> reporter: today, abrams who has lived in the state since high school, responded. >> i have listened to republicans for the last six months attack me, but they've done nothing to attack the challenges facing georgia. >> reporter: one of former president trump's prefe

george kemp, t -- brian kemp ha strong lead over perdue. and tonight mike pence had to be hustled out of the capitol, remember, as rioters were chanting about hanging him. why were they doing that? all because he refused to throw out electoral votes, which he had no power to do, anyway. he is now campaigning for kemp. >> when you say yes to governor brian kemp tomorrow, you will send a deafening message all across america that the republican party is the party of the future! >> a deafening message that is not going to sit well with his former boss who is all about 2020. no surprise. trump is slamming pence, calling him desperate to chase his lost relevance and claiming he is hoping someone is paying attention. he was saying that about someone else. projection, right? the gop primary will face democrat stacey abrams in november, and david perdue reach turns to race as he reaches twht may be the end of the line. listen to this. >> she said this is the worst country to live in. let her go back and she don't like it here. the only thing she wan

i think mike pence is here because brian kemp has been a friend, brian kemp as hay great record. he's plowed to be here and brian kemp is on his way to win again for four more years. >> do you think that's all pence's endorsement here means? >> no. it's some of it. it's part of it. if mike pence didn't like brian kemp, if he didn't have a former relationship with him as governor himself, mike pence was governor of indiana. if he didn't believe in his issues, he wouldn't be there. but he also wouldn't be there if donald trump hadn't shoved him out of trump world on january 6, 2021 because the vice president refused to do, again, what trump wanted him to do which is not certify the election results of 2020 which mike pence announced as he was walking into the chamber that he did not feel that he had the power to do, which most legal scholars agree with. >> absolutely. and today being the most exciting day of covering any campaign, the day that voters have their say. good to see you, dana. thank you. >> you, too. thank you. >> dana will be part of cnn's special coverage of election

. >> i'm a christian, conservative and republican in that order and here to support brian kemp. frankly, kemp is one of the most successful republican governors in the america. >> reporter: the former vice-president resounding support for brian kemp who is trying to move beyond relentless crit criticism from trump, for refusing to overturn the last election. >> i can say i was for brian kemp before it was cool. >> reporter: putting a fresh spotlight on the long-simmering conflict between the former president and his once loyal partner. >> president trump was wrong, i had no right to overturn the election. >> the governor hoping for a big win over chief rival senator david purdue, in one of his riskiest gambits of the campaign season. >> reporter: brian kemp is a turncoat, a coward and complete and total disaster. >> kemp refused to engage as he did today on a call to reporters. >> i never said anything bad about it him, i don't plan on doing that, i'm not mad at him, i think he's just mad at me and that is not something i can control. >> campaign not focused on trump but on stac

and i am here to support brian kemp. i'm here because brian kemp, frankly, is one of the most successful republican governors in america. >> reporter: the former vice president rallying support for governor brian kemp who is not only running for re-election, but trying to move beyond relentless criticism from trump who has been nursing a grudge at kemp and other republicans for refusing to overturn the last election. >> i can honestly say i was for brian kemp before it was cool. >> reporter: to make his point, kemp invited pence for the final rally of the campaign. putting a fresh spotlight on the long simmering conflict between the former president and his once loyal partner. >> president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election. >> reporter: the governor is hoping for a big win over his chief rival former senator david pe perdue. >> brian kemp is a turncoat, a coward, a complete and total disaster. >> reporter: kemp has repeatedly declined to engage as he did today on a call with reporters. >> i've never

. >> brian kemp is a turncoat. he's a coward, and is a complete and total disaster. >> as republicans prepared to go to the polls in georgia, it's trump versus pence. the former president, backing one candidate for governor, the former vice president backing another. tonight, the future of democracy in georgia is on the ballot. and why for trump, it's personal. >> i just want to find 11,780 votes. >> the impact of the threat to abortion, as texans head to the polls. and news tonight the january six committee will only hold six public hearings next month. committee member, jamie raskin, i'll ask him about that. all in starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. or just 11 hours away from polls opening in tomorrow's crucial primary electorate in georgia. and the two marquee races that republican primaries for governor, and for secretary of state. to trump back candidates are essentially running single issue campaigns, on the ex presidents big lie of a stolen election. you've got form

kemp's chances tomorrow. >> brian kemp has the support of mike pence. tell me about that dynamic, and how that's playing out in georgia. because we haven't seen a lot of instances where you got mike pence actively campaigning for someone, against whom donald trump endorsed candidate is running. >> yeah, they have a proxy war, really in georgia between donald trump and mike pence. this was the most significant split for mike pence and donald trump since 2020 election. where mike pence is now backing ryan kemp forcefully, and he's even traveling to georgia, just now just wrapping up his speech a few hours ago in georgia, and the county of a former republican stronghold, a land in the northeast suburbs, just moments after he wrapped up the speech, donald trump gets on a tailor rally for david perdue, and insists that david perdue still has a shot at his race. what we saw tonight in georgia could be for telling of 2024 presidential politics. >> all right, go to bed and now. and sleep in late in the morning, greg. because tomorrow is gonna be a big day and a

>> i think brian kemp, and i hope stacey abrams beats him, but i think brian kemp created a path for republican electeds across the country which is you don't really have to talk about donald trump to be a republican politician. and the ones who talk about him the most show the most fear, end up looking the weakest, and i think republicans, if they're smart, are going to try to move on from that and essentially take the fear out of separating themselves from his crazy. >> i don't want to dwell too much on it, because i think you're right. the georgia governor's race, abrams/kemp rematch is a huge, probably the most important race in the country, maybe one of the closest races. but david perdue was a sitting united states senator until january 2021. he lost by 52 points with the endorsement of -- i agree, but probably the most popular person still in the republican party f you had to name them. >> tallest skyscraper in topeka. >> fair enough. >> that's a remarkable -- >> he got clobbered. >> in a state that donald trump, if you had to list all of the states that donald trump talked th

i can honestly say i was for brian kemp before it was cool. when you say yes to governor brian kemp tomorrow, you will send a deafening message all across america that the republican party is the party of the future. >> now that endorsement is not sitting well with trump. who claims he salvaged pences political career when he picked him as his running mate in 2016. trump accused pence of parachuting into this years races in a desperate attempt at relevance. >> brian kemp is truly a embarrassment to the republican party. because of what's taken place in your great state, georgia. and david will make a massive upgrade as your governor. >> republicans are going after stacy abrams for comments she made over the weekend about the quality of life for georgia. take a listen. >> i am tired of hearing about being the best state in the country to do business when we are the worst state in the country to live. let me context. when you are number 48 for mental health, number one for maternal mortality, when you have an incarceration rate on the rise and w

and it turns out that brian kemp is a regifter. you see, joe biden signed legislation that our friends lucy mcbath and carolyn porto and jon ossoff and raphael warnock put into law. money that came to the state and brian kemp is traveling around here handing it out with his name on the card. >> voting rights is an incredibly big issue in this state. you have record numbers when it comes to early voting turnout. over 150,000 georgians voted early. that's up to hundred 12% compared to the 2020. republicans are pointing to that and saying hey remember when democrats for saying that voting rights were going to be restricted here and our law that we pass was highly contentious, controversial. you had businesses leading the state. clearly there and restrictions here. democrats and dc abrams talked about this specifically last night. they said no, just because we worked harder to mobilize more voters and we worked harder to get around the hurdles. it doesn't mean the hurdles are not still there. stacey abrams has focused heavily on this o

and he was running against someone in brian kemp, who is governed in a very conservative manner. this is a governor who has passed a six-week abortion ban, a law that has drawn broad condemnation for restricting access to the vote. and taken steps to make it tougher to talk about race in classrooms in georgia. in a lot of ways, he's fortified himself in the republican party. donald trump over reached in georgia as well. he eendorsed candidates against republican incumbent governor, attorney general, secretary of state and i think from the republicans i talked to, there was a back lash against the sheer breath of him coming in and essentially putting the scarlet letter on all of their republican officials. but i think it would be ea mistake to read what is probably going to be a disappointing night for him as a sign that his influence has waned, especially around the claims of election fraud and the kind of candidates looking to control the 2024 elections. >> well get to the overall picture in a moment. but first perdue wrapped up his campaign about w a racist remark about stacey

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mike pence going in the day before the primary to help brian kemp kemp issued a statement. now, brian kemp is one of the most successful conservative governors in america, pence said. brian kemp is my friend, dedicated to faith, family and the people of georgia. i'm proud to offer my full support to brian kemp as governor of the great state. also advising the kemp campaign and this follows the announcement that a number of nontrump figures in the republican party are coming out for kemp, out with governor doug ducey of arizona, former governor chris christie of new jersey. pence a former governor himself and isn't interested to running. this is pattern for pence to separate himself for donald trump. he's been more forceful in recent months. this is another data point in that story. >> yeah, and also another reminder why there's so much attention on georgia right now and will be for the coming months. michael, thank you. >>> after decades of taking a neutral military stance, finland is about to take a big step. seek membership in the nato alliance. russia is now threatening

governor brian kemp, the incumbent governor, targeted by donald trump, because brian kemp rightly and correctly certified the legitimate election of joe biden in the battleground state that helped propel him to the presidency. donald trump has been telling his lie about the 2020 election ever since and that makes kemp target number one. donald trump may be in for a big loss here tomorrow if the pre-election polls are correct. you mentioned the trump versus pence factor. tonight pence has that rally for kemp, trump is holding a tell-rally for perdue. as you know, they are on other sides of this. they're trying to carve out their own political turf inside the republican primary in advance of 2024. look at this statement from donald trump spokesperson today to "the new york times" about mike pence. now, desperate to chase his lost relevance, pence is parachuting to races hoping someone is paying attention. that's pretty direct and insnid. so no love lost despite pence's loyalty to donald trump. the other thing we're watching are early voting turnout records. take a look on the republican

is it brian kemp with pence or david purdue with trump? >> well, i think the real question here is whether donald trump is persuaded georgia republican that they should join him in trying to defeat brian kemp, and the answer according to the polls, as you just heard in reporting, is that kemp is leading by a very wide margin. it's likely he'll win without a runoff. and at the same time, georgia voters, republican voters, continue to give trump very high approval ratings. but they're also saying we like donald trump but we'd rather he didn't try to tell us who to vote for for governor. >> i find that confusing. i mean, lisa, one has to wonder if the outcome of this race, the governor's race, is a litmus test on former president's influence in perhaps other races or period come november. >> yes. he's weighed in on races across the nation. some candidates have been winning in the midterms. in georgia, i think the conversation really needs to be the trump factor that wasn't. and clearly, in this race, i kind of started smiling after jeff's sto

he is going to be campaigning tomorrow for brian kemp in georgia. who donald trump has come out against, multiple times. so this is yet another example, the latest one, about pence is trying to carve out a calculated distance from the former president. what do you make of that? and who you think has more influence here? trump or pence? >> i would, say whether vice to mike pence, forget about it. donald trump is forever liable to mike pence as being not good enough of a trumpist, republican. and then actually matters in this race. but i would also say, in terms of the general election that trump, this is interesting. if donald trump leads into, this one of the most successful political coalitions in the country right now is the never trump coalition of democrats, independents, and disaffected republicans. we saw it in 18, we saw 10:20. so going into november, if don't from says, you know what, i'm gonna run again in 2024, but is the best shot that democrats have. >> that is so interesting. you don't think that if mike pence couldn't survive and get c

but brian kemp is so non grata to donald trump. as much as people were saying don't relitigate, but the idea of the litigation about their prior, you know, head-to-head matchup. why is that being looked at not in the same vein as the big lie phenomenon that donald trump has spoken about in jogeorgia? >> i think what happened in georgia in 2018 is drastically different than what donald trump and his big lie around 2020. so stacey abrams knows she's not the governor of georgia and she doesn't say she is the governor of georgia, but what she does say is voter suppression probably prevented her from winning that race if you remember signature matching and closing polling locations and even after polling locations closed, canvassing all the precincts to make sure every single vote was counted. she want to ensure that every eligible voter who voted and who registered, they were able to cast their vote and their vote was counted. trump, on the other hand, in 2020 he didn't want that and he emphasized that again when he said to dr. oz, mak

brian kemp in georgia is as well. that's what pence is up against. >> although a lot of trump endorsed candidates have lost primaries for governor in idaho, i think in nebraska. >> it looks like brian kemp is on the way to repudiating the trump endorsement. trump and david perdue were friends, business people. i just -- i have to say that i think if you pull back the lens a little bit, it's important to recognize that while we talk a lot about trump and he has consumed us for the last five years, there are many examples of powerful republican interests that are trying to stand up to him at every turn. mike pence is one of them. now, i mean, this statement was rough. but also, the former president didn't really do anything when his supporters were at the capitol chanting hang mike pence. i'm sorry but this is not the worst thing donald trump has ever said or done when it relates to mike pence. you also have the club for growth. they're throwing all kind of money at the alabama senate, saying basically, we have a differ

david perdue: brian kemp sold us out and allow radicals to steal the election. william: former senator perdue continues with his unfounded claims of fraud. senator, you have repeatedly said that the 2020 election was rigged and stolen. david yes. : william: and why do you still believe that? david: because of the hard evidence. why do you guys not look at the hard evidence? william: at a meet-and-greet with supporters in covington, georgia, we asked if constantly spreading these baseless claims might make his own voterafraid to vote. david: but half of the 350,000 republicans who have voted in this primary so far in the first 2.5 weeks did not vote in '18. you make your own conjecture about what that is. these people are upset, and they're not going to go away. william: but for the people who actually run elections in georgia, combating this avalanchof lies and accusations has become a full-time job. >> there are certain folks out there that i will never be able to convince of how this really works, even if i show them step by step. that's when it gets really fr

and it turns out that brian kemp is a regifter. you see, joe biden signed legislation that our friends lucy mcbath and carolyn bordeaux, and john ossoff, and raphael warnock put into law money that came to this state and brian kemp is traveling around him handing out with his name on the card. >> and that stood up to me a lot last night because stacey abrams mentioned an attack camp specifically at least three times, listening to it you could've easily forgotten that he is not yet the official nominee but that gives you a sense of where things are when you look at the polls. how little of an effect trump's endorsement has had four former senator david porto. >> it gives you a sense of -- democratic side that they're coming at the fact that they're up against kamala camped. alison barber as always, great to talk to my friend, thank you. i want to bring greg bluestein, -- constitution, greg is always thank you for joining us out of the georgia primary there. is a few things that we're talking through here of course ellison was walkin

results that gave joe biden a victory here. >> brian kemp is a turncoat, he's a coward. >> reporter: for governor, donald trump campaigned hard for former senator david perdue, helping to give his campaign nearly $2.5 million, more than any other candidate this election. >> we have a governor that's done the worst job of any governor in probably decades on election integrity. >> reporter: but on the night before the election, trump's former vice president was in georgia picking sides, and it wasn't his former boss's. >> and when you say yes to governor brian kemp tomorrow, you will send a deafening message all across america that the republican party is the party of the future. >> reporter: north of atlanta, republican voters siding with the governor say they cares less about the 2020 election, and more about gas prices, and money in their pocket, which governor kemp gave them with a recent tax refund. what do you think about the former president's push for perdue? >> well, i mean, that makes a difference for some people. but with me, it didn't make a difference with me. i just thoug

and going around the state talking to voters, you hear from them when it comes to brian kemp, issues, whether it's the heart beat bill he signed into law in 2019. whether it's the election integrity bill that he signed into law last year. or the way that he opened up business at the height of the pandemic here in 2020, it's those sorts of issues. not the 2020 decision by him to certify the joe biden win here in the state of georgia. at the same time, while brian kemp may win this, and ultimately the trump backed david perdue will lose, you have to go to alabama where there is a u.s. senate race to fill a seat there, as well. and it's mo brooks, the congressman who you'll recall about two months ago, lost the endorsement of donald trump after he plummeted in polling. guess who has resurrected his campaign? it is mo brooks. there is a good shot tomorrow he will be one of the top two candidates and will head to the runoff. and next month, mo brooks, despite donald trump dropping his endorsement, could be the nominee for u.s. senate. the one other race tomorrow is the runoff in texas. whe

brian: kemp is up 60-28 over purdue. governor christie showing up to help out vice president pence and george w. bush. did he make a mistake endorsing him? >> i think beating an incumbent governor is very tough. and trying to frame that narrative. what it shows is brian kemp spent 3 1/2 years running for governor. through everything going on through the last election he has been able to use and leverage the power of the governorship to keep people at bay saying we don't want to make a change now. i think what it shows, you hear a lot of people discussing president trump's endorsement. you may see this tighten up. we are still worried about the possibility of a runoff. he's done everything from give teachers money to give tax rebates back. name it, he has done it. he even went back on promises that he forgot for two years. when david perdue gets in he follows through and constitutional carry and crt in our schools. it's a tough run. brian: stacey abrams got 45% disapproval. are you concerned herschel walker doesn't have e