and what is sherman's talked about today, because i said the russian responsibility is to prove that it is that they are not going to escalate the situation that term and said that it is russia's responsibility at the more that's the story is described as we are a witnessing now, and especially folks, and you said sherman, that russia is not going to attack, how will you approve it? because you say there is no trap from you to the american. so americans don't trust russia either and questioned out around there were some rumors that there could be some agreements regarding the iranian nuclear program. so some sanctions can believe to the by the us from we ran can you with a confirmed that some progress has been made in this regard? they are but they know what process i will start from the last question to go. what are the talking in vienna earlyhood, so they are going to chance and we're seeing the chance achieve the job to find an agreement applying to. and what about the, what is, what do you present lucia within the framework? the address around of what happened before 6 rounds, be

good morning, congressman sherman. my question is, or my feeling is, ipo have been watching the ukraine situation d over the la month or so, and to me, it is the most important issue of the day. thes filibuster, the january 6, it's all noise compared to this. and whatc. i'm seeing is presidt biden slow walking us into a confrontation with russia, which could beti catastrophic. and he's making some mistakes. i think one big mistake was to announce whatce his sanctions would be, and not realizing that if he imposes sanctions, the price of gas in america will probably triple. and so what is he thinking when he's going to put hardships on the american people to combat russia? i just think he's making blunder after blunder. he's going to back himself into a corner, and what has he got to do exceptt fight? i'm really just really concerned about the ukraine issue. and i just don't see president biden doing anything positive right now to avoid it. >> all right, john. congressman usherman. >>>> well, biden didn't wake up one da

we welcome wendy sherman, the u.s. deputy secretary of state, and the diplomat who led the most recent talks with the russian federation. welcome, and also welcome my fellow board members. united states plays a key role in protecting the principles of international law, and for the right of every nation to choose their own way into the future. secretary sherman, what can you tell ukrainians and europeans, what is our way forward? sec. sherman: thank you so much. really, did an extraordinary job as president of your country. thank you for that warm welcome and kindly agreeing to serve as our moderator for today's discussion. i am looking forward to our conversation. i also want to thank yalta european security for hosting this virtual event. and to acknowledge the chairman of your board, former polish president. for nearly two decades yas, has been an important form for building ties between the ukraine, the united states, and the wider world, and organizing substantive conversations like this one today. last week secre

sherman. you're recognized for five minutes. >> chair warren, ranking member cassidy and distinguished members of the subcommittee. thank you for the opportunity to testify today about privacy issues facing american citizens. i am a fellow at duke enough sanford school of public policy where i lead a research project focused on the the daya proek raj eco-system. the unregulated industry of u.s. companies aggregated, buying and selling americans' personal data on the open market. data brokers are profiting off the vulnerability and insecurity of the u.s. and its citis while a comprehensive privacy law is vital, congress need not wait to resolve this debate to regulate data brokerage. today i'll make three points. congress should control the sale of data to foreign countries and control the sale of data for certain categories and stop companies from circumventing those controls by inferring data. our research at duke university has found data brokers widely advertising data on hundreds of millio

now this is a situation where sherman says, the u. s. is very steadfast, that it is opposed to an invasion of ukraine, although it was not specifically discussed at monday's meeting. she did say that the u. s. is trying to find a way to resurrect the intermediate of missile a treaty, that the u. s. and others say that the russians have broken by stationing of medium range missiles around its territory aimed at western europe. been. she also said that one thing is not going to change the idea that nato is not going to open its membership to countries that want to be members. she said that would be infringing on those countries right? to decide how to conduct their foreign policy. she did say there's a lot of work to do, but this is just the beginning and whether the russians are trying to basically create a situation to justify an invasion of ukraine. she said, well, we'll just have to see what they're actually doing. russian president vladimir putin has claim victory and defending neighboring kazakstan from what he called a foreign backe

they were of straight forward again, wendy sherman's language. but she said this wasn't a negotiation. this was really the attempt, she said, for the us and for russia to take the measure of each other's concerns. since the meeting last summer, between president slide amir potent and joe bite, and the president of the european parliament to david sicily has died at the age of 65. his spokesman says he'd been in hospital since december 26 after a serious complication related to his immune system. certainly had been the president of the parliament since 2019 steadfast and more from amsterdam. fall ill of a very severe case of pneumonia in september during a plan recession of the european parliament. he was out of office for 2 months. he wasn't there when there was a prominent state of the union address of the european parliament back in september . then he recovered, but then he went into hospital again in december for what his spokesman called and immune deficiency. there wasn't a serious problem with his immune system. and now he suddenly died in

this is a situation where sherman says the u.s. is steadfast that it is opposed to an invasion of ukraine, although it was not specifically discussed at the meeting. she did say the u.s. is trying to find a way to resurrect the intermediate missile treaty that the u.s. and others say the russians have broken by stationing medium-range missiles around its territory aimed at western europe. she also said that one thing is not going to change, the idea that nato is not going to open its membership to countries that want to be members. she said that would be infringing on those countries right to decide how to conduct their foreign policy. she said there is a lot of work to do, but this is just the beginning. whether the russians are trying to basically create a situation to justify an invasion of ukraine, she said we will have to see what they are actually doing. >> kimberly martin is professor of political science at bernard college. she says it is good that the sides are talking, but these meetings may not mean much to lowering tens

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sherman. and now, miss sax, you're recognized for five minutes. >> ranking member cassidy and members of the subcommittee. it's an honor to testify. i'm a senior fellow at yale and policy fellow at new america, spent the last decade of china's policies both in the national security community and with the private sector. i also advise corporations on china's tech policies. so i will focus my testimony on china and global passport data flows. while my expertise focuses on china and the chinese government's efforts to acquire data. my view is that the most effective solutions require that the united states put forward a more comprehensive data governance vision with stronger protections for security and privacy for all companies. some of these risks are specific to china, but so much of this is much bigger. u.s. lawmakers have an opportunity to address trans national security threats, but while also advancing a more secure, ethical and democratic internet in its own right. the chinese government

and according to wendy sherman, the had of the you asked delegation here at the main goal of the meeting today was to sit together for each side to voice their concerns and to listen to each other that. and that is what happened. she is cried the talks as frank and forthright and so difficult, and that is, was the hat of the russian delegation. ca recall also said about to the talks, but let's have a listen to what he had to say. but which one? yeah, you would actually be to go to negotiations around russia. security proposal. you guys are very difficult. go, wearable slaughter mill. long. do you very professional watching, but if you, sir, man, deep, good boykin and concrete. concordia ma'am beers, without any attempts to gloss over or avoid any difficult points about you got either or through glee, we were left with the impression that the american side will take on russia's proposal or very seriously not wishing to use them. but ashleigh crashes can put it loving him so significant in short but possessions. alexandra remain entrenched. yes, he writes, leila, and the problem is that th

now, this is a situation where sherman says, the u. s. is very steadfast, that it is opposed to an invasion of ukraine, although it was not specifically discussed at monday's meeting. she did say that the u. s. is trying to find a way to resurrect the intermediate term missile a treaty, that the u. s. and others say that the russians have a broken by stationing on min medium range missiles around its territory aimed at western europe. been. she also said that one thing is not going to change the idea that nato is not going to open its membership to countries that want to be members . she said that would be infringing on those countries right? to decide how to conduct their foreign policy. she did say there's a lot of work to do, but this is just the beginning and whether the russians are trying to basically create a situation to justify an invasion of ukraine. she said, well, we'll just have to see what they're actually doing yet just to focus on that more rosalind. i mean, as you said, no talk or other countries joining nato. of course,

but you've seen just this enormous outreach to the europeans by wendy sherman and by other us officials to keep talking to the europeans. right up until the last minute they walked into those bilateral talks. then wendy sherman came to brussels yesterday and spent all day debriefing. nato allies, debriefing european union officials meeting with the top leadership in the e. u, as well as in nato, even before heading into these nato. russia talks now. so the u. s. is definitely trying to keep true to its word that it won't discuss anything about europe without europe, anything about ukraine without ukraine. we just had 4 years of the trump administration, wanting to disengage with nato getting if you will, show me with russia the have that left in the permanent scars, that data i think it has. and just this, this outreach, i mean honestly, almost too much outreach. it sometimes seemed like you know, more than 100 meetings or something like this. this is partly a legacy of the trumpet ministration, where the europeans had no clue from day to day, except by looking at twitter, what the u. s

not nita went out nato, wendy sherman speaking there. now neither was scheduled to have its own sit down with russia this coming wednesday here to expectations are low and the talks will take place without ukraine at the table. now, the fact that the kremlin insists on bilateral talks with the biden administration 1st. and then 2nd talks with nato. it does not help the situation today. ukraine's deputy prime minister made it clear on which side of the geo strategic divide they want to be. the euro. atlantic integration is enshrined in our constitution and support and by the majority of ukrainian citizens. it's not a subject to negotiation or bargaining chip. aggressor is not in a position to put conditions until the russian tanks is out of ukrainian border while at the border. ukrainian soldiers have literally dug in their positions with russian troops just kilometers away. take a look at this. this is recent footage from the dawn asked region the front line of ukraine's 8 year conflict with pro russian separatist in these muddy trenches

s. deputy secretary of state, wendy sherman said the talks couldn't be considered negotiations under current terms and that russia must deescalate. now, if moscow wants to keep talking, russia has been massing soldiers near the ukranian border for weeks, causing concern for russia. denies any intention to attack russia's deputy foreign minister called the talks professional. but he says moscow remains firm on a central point to we on the score that for us is absolutely mandatory to make sure that the ukraine never, never, ever, becomes a member of nato. and the answer to that from brussels. the door to nato remains open for ukraine due to memorial renew. it is for ukraine on the 3rd to nato allies, to decide when ukraine is ready for membership. no one else has and there are 2 same thing. multiple experts suspect that for rushes, president putin. the uncompromising wrangling in geneva is about more than ukraine, if staggered us, i think in the end what he can get is a process which could take longer and could work towards negotiating a new european security order, and one of an annoy

wendy sherman's assessment was that to the meetings on monday about 8 hours worth of talks. with the survey rubric coffin, his delegation were useful. they were frank heard language, they were of straightforward again wendy sherman's language. but she said this wasn't a negotiation. this was really the attempt. she said for the u. s. and for russia to take the measure of each other's concerns. sense of the meeting last summer between president slide amir potent and joe biden, or russia president has claim victory and defending neighboring kazakhstan from what he called a foreign backed uprising. more than a 160 people were killed during last week's anti government protests. the u. s. on european union have imposed new sanctions on nicaragua and officials after elections that have been described as rigged at times on the same day. president daniel ortega is set to be sworn in for a 4th term. china star novak joke of it says he's now focused on playing at the australian open after winning a court battle to stay in the country. he treated a picture of himself back on a tennis c

you mentioned that no break through so far on any issues and to talk seem to be very difficult, wendy sherman, they had of the you asked the location you just mentioned that described than and as frank and forthright and sir, at the head of the russian, a delegation figured cough was also talking about very deep and professional, but also very difficult discussions. nearly 8 hours of talks, but positions alexander still remain entrenched. well, you right layla, we don't have any indication that either you as or russia would be willing to compromise on the one of the main issues here. and i have found it quite interesting that sir, the russian deputy foreign minister of coff made it to clear that russia is not thinking about breaking down on their demands. and they were described by the u. s . assa absolutely nonstarter demands. the russians are saying that it is imperative for nato to rule out that ukraine can ever become a member of the alliance. there are saying that nature has to pull out its troops from eastern europe thumb, the former soviet republics. there that are now independent stat

s. diplomat, wendy sherman. she described that today's talks as constructive, but she said there were no breakthroughs of ukraine or any future security arrangements in eastern europe. we will not allow any one that slam closed nato's open door policy, which has always been central to dando alliance. we will not wear go bilateral cup cooperation with sovereign state that which to work with united states. and we will not make decisions about ukraine without refrain about europe without your birth. not, nita went out nato. wendy sherman's speaking there. now neither was scheduled to have its own sit down with russia this coming wednesday here to expectations are low and the talks will take place without ukraine at the table. now, the fact that the kremlin insists on bilateral talks with the biden administration 1st. and then 2nd talks with nato. it does not help the situation today. ukraine's deputy prime minister made it clear on which side of the geo strategic divide they want to be. the euro. atlantic integrati

secretary of date wendy sherman will talk about the ukraine conflict. until then, the washington journal. >> a shot of the capitol in washington d.c. across washington, policy officials will gather at the walter washington convention center to talk about issues looking at automobiles and, in fact, it's their public policy day at the auto show. joining us to start a series of conversations with the auto show is john o'donnell, he's the president and ceo of the washington area new automobile dealers association, mr. donald, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> live now to a discussion with deputy secretary of state wendy sherman on the russian-ukraine conflict. this is live coverage on c-span2. >> the diplomates who led the most recent talks with the russian federation. madam secretary, welcome and welcome, also, in the name of my fellow board members. the united states for protecting the principles of international law and for the rights of every nation to choose their own way into the future. secretary sherman, what can you tell ukra

they were of straightforward again wendy sherman's language. but she said this wasn't a negotiation. this was really the attempt. she said for the us and for russia to take the measure of each other's concerns. since are the meeting last summer between president vladimir putin and joe biden. the president of the european palm and david cecily has died at the age of $65.00. his spokesman said he'd been in hospital since december 26 after a series of complications related to his immune system. saucily had been the president of the parliament since 2019 said lawson has more from amsterdam. yes. fell ill of a very severe case of pneumonia in september. during a plenary session of the european parliament. he was out of the office for 2 months . he wasn't there when there was a prominent state of the union address, so of the european parliament back in september. then he recovered it. but then he went into hospital again in december for what his spokesman called an immune deficiency to was an a serious problem with his immune system. and now he sudde

i have seen some of the readouts from deputy secretary of state wendy sherman. and we've been clear from the beginning, and president biden has been clear from the beginning, that russia has to deescalate. they have to pull back the forces that they've amassed along the ukrainian border. and if they take aggressive actions in terms of military invasion, that they will face very punishing sanctions. not only from the united states, but importantly, with our allies, because that multiplier effect on sanctions is so important. so you're right. this was sort of the opening day of back and forth. but the united states has been very clear that when it comes to the nato alliance, nobody is going to dictate. russia is not going to dictate to the united states, our allies, or other countries about who can join and who cannot. >> and you know, at the same time, what she's saying is they may have to pull back and go into their bare racks. they can't just stay on russian soil amassed in more than 100,000 in numbers with heavy equipment tanks and the like and say that is not

. >> wendy sherman's assessment was that the meetings monday, about eight hours worth of talks with serge -- and his delegation, were useful. they were frank, straightforward , again, wendy sherman's language, but she said this was not a negotiation. this was really an attempt for the u.s. and russia to take the measure of each other's concerns. since the meeting last summer between presidents vladimir putin and joe biden. >> russia's president claims victory in neighboring kazakhstan for what he because a foreign backed uprising. more than 160 people were killed during last week's protests. the u.s. and european union have opposed new sanctions on nicaraguan officials after elections that have been described as rigged. it comes as the same day president daniel ortega is set to be sworn in for a fourth term. tennis star novak djokovic says he is now focused on playing the australian open after winning a court battle to stay in the country. he tweeted a picture of himself back on the tennis court and said he was grateful the judge overturned his removal. the immigration minister could stil

well, the deputy secretary of state wendy sherman, was not going to say that this meeting this 8 hour long meeting with us sergey rubicon, and his delegation was a success. she did say that the conversations were frank were blunt, aware, quite forthright. and that both sides o spelled out their concerns. now the question, according to deputy secretary sherman, is whether the russians will take up the americans offer to try to talk more to try to continue these discussions. what did not come up was the question of what to do about ukraine, except for the russian a vowel that it wasn't going to invade that country. she essentially said that we'll have to see what happens. and as far as all these big issues are concerned, it is the realization that we think rose on the part of both sides. that if they break down the big issues in some senses, it might be easier to deal with individual issues one at a time. well i think that the u. s. certainly recognizes that all of these issues are distinct issues, even though they are all gonna conflated and certainly they are being conflated in the yo

after seven hours of meeting, wendy sherman said the u.s. was willing to discuss limits to military exercises in eastern europe. russia's deputy foreign minister meanwhile claimed russia has no intention to invade ukraine. he made that claim, though, despite this. russia's buildup of more than 100,000 troops along the border with ukraine. a move that alarmed the u.s. and the nato allies. not to mention the ukrainians. our chief foreign correspondent spent time in the krenchs literally with ukrainian troops preparing for a potential russian invasion. >> ukrainians are welcoming 2022 by preparing for a possible russian invasion. digging new trenches by hand in the frozen earth. lined by mine fields, the trenches stremp for miles. defenses that have changed little since world war i. a ukrainian soldier says he'll fight to the end. but of the talks, he adds, my opinion is wars have always been resolved through diplomacy. we expect our leaders will solve these issues. maria, a forward scout, didn't see her four-year-old son for christmas, and may

they were of straight forward again, wendy sherman's language, but she said this wasn't a negotiation. this was really the attempt. she said for the u. s. and for russia to take the measure of each other's concerns. sense of the meeting last summer, between presidents windermere potent and joe biden. russia's president has claim victory and defending neighboring kazakhstan from what he called a foreign backed uprising. more than a 160 people were killed during last week's anti government protests. the us and european union have imposed new sanctions on nicaraguan officials after elections that have been described as rigged. it comes on the same day. president daniel ortega said to be sworn in for a 4th term. european union is under pressure to relax a rule that forces airlines to use or lose their airport landing slots of tons of says it will have to fly 18000 unnecessary flights this winter. it's, it's imply opponents of the policy say, the so called ghosts flights are a major generator of carbon emissions. the united nations held meetings in hart june to find a way to end violent pr

sherman says the u.s. made clear to russia de-escalate the situation at the border or face severe sanctions. sherman refused to tip her hand, not going into any detail of what those sanctions might be. russian officials downplayed the potential invasion fool you got you in no way. do we plan or intend to, quote, unquote, attack ukraine? >> and all the arrangements regarding the combat readiness of the armed forces are made within our national territory. >> russia is amassing more than 100,000 troops near its border with ukraine and says they're there for training today. sherman says if that's true, then it's time to send those troops home. >> and they can prove. that, in fact, they have no intention idea the lighting and returning. >> the u.s. and its allies threatening the toughest sanctions yet against russia. an effort to head off what could be a widespread regional conflict triggered by a potential russian invasion a little today. ukrainian officials separately made their case in a meeting at nato head

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sherman start. i will ask the others to comment. >> that's exactly the problem with data brokers, senator. they can basically dance around the few, limited privacy laws we have by proxy data, run algorithms to get that information anyway. >> this is what you were speaking of as inferring? they can infer even if they don't directly collect? >> that's correct. >> they sell that data to those interested in marketing to someone who has mental illness or hiv? >> yes, they do that. >> do you have any further comments on that? as a physician, that greatly offends me. the idea that we can infer that which is otherwise restricted is -- again, it violates that which i always kind of had in my dna as a physician in terms of protecting patient privacy. and e major problems that needs to be addressed in regulation because increasingly through apps and it can all lead to the types of information sharing which you are describing and that is directly collected from consumers through those data sets. >> and that whi

, deputy secretary sherman, thank you very much. thanks for taking time to talk to us today. >> thank you, andrea. >> and squloining us now for reaction to that conversation with the deputy secretary, the admiral, formernateo supreme ally commander. and bill taylor, former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. welcome both. admiral, what the secretary just said is that they don't have to go across the border, that a cyber attack or continued provocation, misinformation, disinformation, stirring up the militias in the dombas region there's more that would also trigger sanctions, and she says the allies all 30 strong are absolutely rock solid. do you think that's true? >> i do. i feel the nato alliance, and this is based on my conversations with many sources in europe and also with ambassador smith and others, the alliance is completely aligned on this. the question is and you heard the ambassador use an interesting word, what about a hybrid attack? a hybrid attack is kind of a mix of conventional tanks, troops, missiles, armor and cyber propag

you heard deputy secretary sherman talk about two of them. one of them is reviving the intermediate nuclear forces agreement which president trump abandoned but the russians have violated and another was working out an agreement about where and when you would deploy troops on exercises making sure they're far from borders. but these are more tactical things and what the russians are really looking to do i get the sense is roll back the clock to at least 1997, maybe to 1990, so they have a spear of influence that is as broad or as close to as broad as what they have before the soviet union collapse. and i'm not sure the united states could help them with that. >> this meeting comes at an interesting point between two speeches from the president about the preservation of democracy. of course on the anniversary of the insurrection from one element talking about the former president, but then tomorrow he's going to be in atlanta to try to promote some movement on protection of voting rights. the president trying to promote democracy in eastern eu

host: congressman sherman? guest: biden did not wake up one day and say "let's have a crisis in the ukraine. putin woke up. those trips on the border are not biden's idea. that is putin's forces. biden very much does not want international distractions. his focus is on domestic policy. this is a crisis biden does not want. second, the idea that the gentleman mentions gas -- i assume he is talking about natural gas, because that is what we were talking about before. we don't import any natural gas from russia. in fact, the united states exports natural gas. and natural gas is a complicated and expensive thing to move from one continent to another. so -- it has to be liquefied, and that is an expensive process. so to think that we would ever import natural gas from russia, when we have so much natural gas in the united states that we are liquefying it and exporting it to asia, is -- now i will say this. if russia invades the ukraine -- that is not biden's idea. that is putin's idea. america has to respond. the le

and we share our sympathy with his family at the sherman community. we are grateful to all of our parent educators who like andrew strive to bring out the best in studentseach and every day . we thank you for your service and dedication. >> thank you very much. section l, closed session. before we go into closed session i call on any speakers to the closed session items listed in the agenda. there will be a total of five minutes . >>please raise your hand if you'd like to speak . any of the items on the closed session agenda cannot be repeated in tiny's and spanish. [speaking spanish] >>. [speaking cantonese] >> president: irecess the regular >> i resume the regular meetin . section l, reconvene to open session, item 1 . roll on student explosion matters. i moved approval of the stipulated expulsion agreement of one high schoolstudent , matter number 2021 2022 06 from the district for the remainder of the fallsemester 2021 and the followingspring semester of2022 . can i get a second ? rollcall . [roll call vote] seven aye. >> i moved approval of the e

this just happened in the last hour or so, and this is from wendy sherman, who's the under secretary of state to actually lead the us delegation talks in geneva early this week as well as she was at those talks in native today, i was told that she made was quite interesting. she said the u. s. family wants to reassure that its stance is nothing about he without you. whether that's ukraine, whether that's europe. well, that's nato. an interesting point. given stilton burke had already said that ukraine was one of the major discussions of the day, despite the fact that ukraine wasn't in those discussions, a very confusing message coming that potentially from the under secretary of state . she also, once again accused russia of aggression saying, the countries building up troops on the bully that continues at something we also heard from you in stilton berg too, and said that russia and she's preparing to invade. this is something that has been denied over an overt by russia. however, russia has said what it needs to deescalate the tensions that is surrounding many different issues, par