so again, this is a test for russia. if it is serious about resolving the situation in eastern ukraine, and to resolve it diplomatically and peacefully, minsk is the way to do it. we will fully support efforts to implement the minsk agreements by both parties, and again, we'll see if russia is willing to do that. mr price: simon. reporter: mr. secretary, we'd like to get your assessment of events in kazakhstan, and how that potentially weighs on these meetings with russian officials next week. and more specifically, u.s. officials have raised kind of questions about the csto troops deployment there. what is -- what specifically is the concern about those troops going in? is there an implication that the kazakhstan government hasn't actually invited them in, or how do you see that? secretary blinken: thanks. so first, we are very concerned about the ongoing state of emergency that exists in kazakhstan. secretary blinken: . so first, we are very concerned about the ongoing state of emergency that exists in kazakhstan. we'v

should russia attack ukraine? ladiva, what do you think is bush's biggest concern is cit, nato's expansion? or is it just the fear of seeing a neighbor which is more vibrant, setting up a strong democracy that could further spread eastwards. ah, well ah, thank you for the question. actually. first of all, i would like just to show brief the command on what the r y aah ukrainian kali ker panel is set. i was surprised at saying by him that russia is made an aggression to a crimea, that that is not true actually, because there was a dialogue, both in crimea and the crimea, and sexually or near voice the gave their voice the to the original location with rush well, that was not the gears of just for the record that the russian narrative internationally were talking about annexation of the crimea. and also actually that one and encouraged and not in the delay eastern territories. ah, that's was not annexation. and that was not the end in gush. it's the casa, well, actually, i, i, i will get straight to the point, i wou

and, we will see how russia responds. reporter: secretary, have you considered the russians are just buying time to find a place to invade ukraine. maybe you jump through hoops like get delivering handwritten questions to answer and meanwhile there stabilizing ukraine from human -- from within. at what point do you stop playing russia's game and take preemptive action now. sec. blinken: first, we are not standing still, and we can walk and chew gum at the same time and that is what we have been doing. we have made it clear to russia that they are -- that there is a path of diplomatic and deterrence, and if russia chooses aggression it will lead to massive consequences. even though we engage in diplomacy which is my job and responsibility, we have been resolutely preparing for russia to take the path of aggression. and as i laid out the work that we have done over the past couple of months and bringing allies and partners together around massive consequences for russia shuddered new its aggression in the very detailed repo

let's start with russia. if there is a military conflict, sergei, what are the consequences for russia? well, the problem is we don't know what kind of military conflict we could have. could it be a small operation, a long operation? could the russians, you know, invade and try to capture more territory? or, you know, will they even invade at all? there are lots of uncertainties. i think the ambassador has rightly pointed out that there will be sanctions for russia, so that is something that i'm sure is influencing calculations, putin's calculus, as he considers what to do. their — obviously, if the war becomes long, which i don't think they want, it would have an impact on putin's domestic popularity. long wars do not help anybody�*s popularity, so i'm pretty sure that russia, if it were to take military action, it would want to avoid a quagmire, that's for sure. what are the consequences of a military conflict for ukraine? we do not consider that there will be a full military aggression on the territory

host: if you say that russia is not an existential threat to us, are we an existential threat to russia? and if so, why doesn't russia seem to fear that? why don't they seem to be worried about provoking the united states and united states allies? >> both sides have a very stylized vision of the threat that each process to the and in some particular respects that is accurate. if we were having this discussion in moscow and you were a russian government spokeswoman or spokesman -- i think the immediate russian concern is the advance of native toward its borders. i want to be clear this is not the only reason for the crisis nor is that the only item separating us on the russians. there is question that the march of native torts russia's border has created tension between ourselves and russia and by the way, while these objections are chalked up to mr. putin, his predecessor boris yeltsin was no less critical as was the last president of the soviet union, gorbachev. so it is not purely a putin phenomenon. it has certainly been ratcheted up under mr. putin. unlike the 1990's, russia opted -

ukraine poses no threat to russia. it bears repeating that it was shot that invaded ukraine in 2014 and occupies crimea to this day. it is russia that continues to fuel a war in eastern ukraine that has claimed nearly 14,000 lives and destroyed entire towns. it is russia and their proxies holding hundreds of ukrainians as political prisoners. and it is because of russia's actions that nearly 3 million ukrainians are in urgent need of humanitarian assistance. while the suffering is most acute in crimea, ukrainians everywhere have felt the effects of rush's aggression. russia has interfered in ukraine's elections and try to endocrine -- undermine ukraine's democracy. and use propaganda and disinformation to so distrust. now russia's actions are causing renew crisis, not only for ukraine, but for all of europe, and indeed, as secretary blinken said, for the wider world. one country cannot change the borders of another by force, or dictate the terms of another country's foreign policy, or for bid another country from choos

so i don't think russia wants to do it. and obviously the west doesn't want it to happen, but i mean, the 1st, once i got that is that even if russia does invade ukraine, it's pretty clear that nato would not get involved militarily. there would be very strong terms and so on. but the idea about the europe wide war between nature and russia as a result of what's going on in ukraine, very like going back to ukraine itself. russia's been very clear on its determination that ukraine will never join nato. nato has been equally clear on the principle. countries can join whatever alliances. they like. both sides have spent a series of meetings this week saying those things to each other. so i think is the question for mr. rob costs it today. the talk so far have failed and it's an interesting question where things go now, but i wouldn't, i mean, there's a solution to this which, which is pretty obvious one. everybody knows that ukraine, it whether or not it joins next. in the, in the term, the future is certainly not going to do

do russia propaganda claims? the russian language and russian speakers were never under any physical harm threat then the russian language wasn't right. this is completely concocted as a rational for the annexation of premier and the subsequent instigation of the war in the dunbar. what we're seeing is happening in ukraine. what we're seeing, what's happening with bella was, which has essentially become a protectorate of russia as essentially cease to exist as it defacto independence states. what we're seeing in context on where russia has invoked its collective security treaty to restore order. it really, it really matches what we heard say over the, over the years that he considers the breakup of this. so you have a great, the greatest one of the greatest geopolitical tragedies of the 20th century. he missed this, so he didn't, he misses russia's ability to project power to what is called the near abroad. obviously, there will be a semblance of that, that he will try to reunite as and under rushes umbrella. val

russia. but a 3rd of that passes through ukraine. moscow has already reduced the amount flowing into europe, causing shortages and pushing prices to record levels. now rushes that threatened to cut supplies further if sanctions are imposed and they're not just on gas, but also on oil and metals. some countries depend on russia more than others. germany gets more than half of its gas supplies from russia. and that dependency would increase if the german government gives its final approval to the north stream to pipeline. ah, let's bring our guests in moscow. pavel failed in our a defense and military analyst in burn, cornelia mayor, seo of mayor resource, and especially in oil and gas, and in berlin. o, rick brooklyn, a professor of political science at stanford university in berlin. welcome to the program. let's begin. inborn with a colina maya calling. this is not as easy as russia, switching off the gas pipeline. and america coming to rescue with lots of new natural gas is it's a lot more c

and criticizing him and personifying russia in the person of russia's president. the extent that anything that vladimir putin says or does is inherently evil and must be opposed. and that's what we have right now. as you said, it's cartoonish in nature because this is actual bullwinkle. you know, boris and natasha kinds of anal. it's not reality. and it's going to lead to disaster because again, i'll leave it with this. we can't fight a war in europe today. we cannot, neither can europe, neither can nieto. nato knows this. i've challenged anybody who's affiliated with nato. tell me how nato can mobilize armored core in 10 days. you will never get an answer because they can't, they would be able to do it in 2 weeks. rush on the other hand, can put 2 combined arms army that are trained for deep offensive operations of in the field was in a week. this is the 1st garge tank army in the 20th combined army. oh, former cold war formation station did east germany that were destroyed in whoa, whoa, whoa, european peace and the aftermath of the solution of warsaw pact to pa

we call on russia. madam president, despite all diplomatic efforts, russian troops are deployed in belarus. this adds up to the current escalation and is of direct concern to us. it is russia who is threatening ukraine and other neighbors by positioning 100,000 troops. it is the aggressor strengthening its security at the expense of others. actions -- russia has contributed to a significant deterioration of the security environment in europe. we reaffirm full commitment to the core principles of international security enshrined in the u.n. charter, founding documents. this includes territorial integrity of states and viability of frontiers. the evaluation by russia as an obstacle and threatens stability. times of limited sovereignty are long gone. states have freedom to choose or change their own security arrangements. no country has a veto right over the sovereign choices area madam president, in response to the recent tensions, any further military aggression against ukraine will have massive conseque

caller: you remember a yelton of russia -- boris yeltsin of russia -- never happened. nato and the baltic states, alaska, lithuania, and poland, we are surrounding russia. it is not right. this is aggression. those people used to live for 300 years. what we call crimea. host: let's take one call after that. this is timothy, illinois, democrats line. caller: hello. i feel like russia's gdp is 1/10 of the usa's. its military budget is 1/10 of the usa's or less. it is surrounded by our military forces. it has shrunk massively from the soviet union. it is not a threat. it is not want to invade or attack anybody. all at once is to have a country or two around it. that is all it wants. i wish we could understand that and stop threatening russia and being the bullies ourselves. host: that is timothy in illinois. guest: there are a couple misconceptions about the russian military right now. one, that is weekend. -- weakened. that is not the case anymore. he has ramped up russia's military capability. you saw this and play in 2015 in syria. russia started to control the airspac

russia has a mass troops, allegedly inside of russia. russia has said in writing, look, this is a red line couldn't set at the end of the year. press conference, this is a red line. we will not let you crane. we will not let our border area be a staging ground for advanced weapons with missiles whose flight time might be 2 or 3 minutes to their targets in russia, or to allow ukraine to be permanently in nature. so that kind of scenario can play out. that's a red line, we're not going to let that happen. and so, and as he also said with the u. s. possibly of what russia do this at the us mexican border, or the us canadian border, of course not. so again, this is an american created crisis, but one where russia actually does have to respond and actually make clear that this, in fact, is unacceptable. long term and short term for russia's national interest. you know, john went looking at the media drumbeat here and the gaff that we, well that was just mentioned by biden. i mean by just let the mass drop for a 2nd. the stop you talked about one of the scenarios here. he got off script. th

and if russia chose tojoin it, fine, russia canjoin too. but i would say we are not trying to make it about us and them, we want it to be europe and the us, and russia is the one trying to pull that away and break up the alliance. and do you see it, as olha is asking there, that this global instability has been with us for a long time and may continue for a long time? that's up to russia. i think, if i can step in, there is a huge gap between, we're not about talking eu or nato or us, orjust any other, it is something where the collective west has got the extremely good experience of building the consensus. and now in a global world, where you cannot take decisions only on your own, on behalf your country — when it comes to covid, to energy crisis, even to military force. we have learned how to make the consensus, and how to make collectively the decisions. but what putin hadn't learned is to be part of some consensus. broader consensus. and until he understands that he should be a player together with everybody, this could change the sit

i think her name is argued that russia us would actually go to war against russia, not just over ukraine, but, you know, take by crimea, push russia out of south. yeah. so you can't have it both ways. you can't say that brush in the future can be no threat to rush on at the same time. are you that are you that we should use force against them? also, this idea that rush should have no beat. so this is also, you know, we did over and over again as if it makes any sense. i mean, it made was going to monopolize, and security in europe that and the biggest country and you should not have any say over it. i mean, this is an absurd statement. obviously, russia will have, you know, either has it within institutions or it will have to rely on its own, on the military, in order to uphold that, you know, which is not expressed as a red line. so nothing makes any sense. and the last one is nato secretary general, explicitly saying naval does not discriminate against new and old members. well, this was the whole point of the navy, russia funding act of 1997. this very explicit promise commit is not p

so, for russia, this is going to harm russia as well? >> of course. any kind of breakup of relationship with europe will harm russia immensely. europe is russia's -- the european union is russia's biggest trading partner. china right now is number one, but europe is more important. there is a lot of business relationship especially between mas -- russia and germany. there's a lot of connections on different levels. vladimir putin is very fluent in german. he addressed the bundestag once in german. russia was always looking for a special relationship with germany, and germany very wants to make germany a hub for russian gas. to all of western europe. possibly bypassing ukraine. and that would be a breakup of that relationship with the very costly in terms of political and in terms of money too. >> this is not the first time we have seen energy being used as a diplomatic political weapon. this happened in the 1970's when opec decided it was not going to supply the west with oil over a variety of different things, including a much money they were getting

move without consulting and russia. but obviously, the russia comes from the past, then there's a certain similarities between them. the direction that you estimate are moving, which should be a part not to germany. and obviously, all this rhetoric that nato, it's about, you know, only including and embracing congress wants to join it's, it is primarily an alliance to contain russia and the 3rd tension on it in europe. so i so i did this on the final point to have to point out when natal offered and nato member creating only approximately 20 percent of the police actually wanted it, which suggest that it's not the nato that pressure to take, you know, this congress wants to join it's, it's natural that's pushing for expansion. so again that the rest of it gets very much skewed. ok. puzzle. falcon how. what happens if nature goes to the so called trip wire scenario, which is and there are apparently, according to this vehicle to day, there are people high up in nato saying we should do this. we should build our military

and western officials have been reporting that russia is massing troops on the border to ukraine. russia, meanwhile denies planning and attack. analysts say the true build up could be vladimir putin way of flexing his muscles to get what he wants, and then your what, what was important for putin to go down in history. he wants to be able to say, i created the foundations for russia national development and resolved the main foreign policy problem. i stopped nato eastern expansion and returned russia to its former glory. you believe it is sure put in his hoping russia can come out on top in the latest tug of war with nato even to day cold war divisions into east and west, still shaped the thinking in the kremlin. while those talks are taking place to day and our brussels bureau chief alexander phenomena is covering them for us. hi, alexandra. we saw the russian perspective on these talks there. what is nato's response to that view? nato officials have rejected sta, gremlins claims, dad's name toys, posing a threat to, to russia. there are saying need to isn't defensive alliance, whose mai

they didn't want to listen. russia, security comes 1st for russia, and russia will take action some military chemical reaction or reaction to what could be deemed as a potential offensive missile system, for example. and it will be dealt with and then nato has this quandary. i mean, do we go to war over this missile system? they didn't actually invade the country. i mean, what they're doing make us putting everything in. i mean, this is like one big bet, and it's going to play out very, very badly from not that it's going to play out well for russia, either your thoughts, right? i will, i think the, what, what we're seeing now is a 3rd attempt for throughout his presidency to negotiate this pan european security infrastructure. the 1st was in 2007 during the prudence, many a speech where he was talking about the dangers of the unit poor world, and draw and clearly russia's ledger read lines on ukraine in georgia. and that speech was actually seen as russia's own revenge just emissions. and what happens at the end of the day, year after soccer shrilly adventurous strike south of santia and th

russia. it really is and should be a global concern because there are some basic principles of international security at stake that has helped keep the peace and security in europe for the last decades. and it goes to very basic principles -- >> brennan: exactly, but vladimir putin obviously has no regard for those principles in the past eight years that he has been invading and taking parts of ukraine. when you get to that bigger "what is this all about" question, the state department said they were concerned about the possibility of russia moving nuclear weapons back into belarus. you have high precision equipment being used towards ukraine. is this about something more than just that country? >> this is exactly why even as we're engaged in diplomacy, we are very much focused on building up defense, building up deterrents for both ukraine and nato itself. nato itself will be enforced if russia commits acts of aggression. all of that is on the table. but, again, when it comes to these princi

k, ukraine and russia. there was one last week, but there were at that quite a low level of representation. so we have to see if there's going to be a higher level of representation in that one. but we did hear from the ukraine and ambassador saying that as long as the diplomacy was going on, ukraine was on board. however, he was also sounding a bit alarming. he said, you know, look up my country, it is surrounded by old from all sides by russian truth. he was referring to no ones along the eastern border of ukraine. but then he also pointed the finger, the ones that are currently in bella. russo heading to bella ruse. dot's officially, according to both moscow and barrows, are because of some joint exercises that will happen next week at the end of next week. and then he also pointed to the fact that there was more russian troops in the annex peninsula of crimea. so he said to put all of this together, according to our intelligency grinning intel, it is about a $130000.00 or russian troops or surrounding r

s. severing ties with russia. so there is a sense that there is this rhetoric being built and this narrative that is a being conducted against russia. all in the hopes of trying to pressure this country from backing down from their demands of nato. that is not to expand any further eastwards which russia believes to be a threat to their security. they've asked that they no longer accept new members into nato. they want to go back to the 997 membership numbers. and at that time, there were 14 countries less than what there is now in the 30 member alliance, and the russians say they can't continue to expand because it threatens their security. all right, thanks so much. joseph jabar that update here from the perspective from moscow. we've been following developments in the un security council, which is holding this me preventive diplomacy attentions on the ukrainian border with russia.

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this is a russia nicer counsel nato russia council told there was the russia us tools more recently, which really didn't bring us anything. is there any been really different you well, it doesn't, seems i really a monday there were talks between us and rushers. you say no breakthrough, and a few people are expecting a breakthrough for these talks. it is a key meeting this week in a week of or other meetings, or aimed diffusing the a crane crisis. we have russia. senior negotiators are meeting with nato members, but the problem is the 2 sides are very marge, are stuck in their positions. if you like, deeply entrenched in their opinions on one side. russia saying that he doesn't want nato to continue with it's eastwards, expansion is certainly does not want ukraine to become a later member on the other nato of cor, saying it is up to nato at which countries become members will not. and certainly not something that the kremlin should be dictating so the 2 sides do not seem to be finding any common ground. and the nato secretary general before going into the meeting said that the best re

but tell russia to pull back its own troops on foot, and a fight of fact checking russia lashes out to you as the officials in the media for pushing fresh approval claims against moscow. publish right ahead of those crucial security police both. it's enough to scroll through a couple of random pages to be sure, none of the provisions stand up to any critical analysis. in many cases, it is simply a lie, a hi there, it's me day here in the russian capital. appreciate you joining us for the weekly on it looks like shell, even the scientists support for russia could cost you dearly in the current political climate, say german navy chiefs had to resign after he said, the crimea is now part of russia and that the west should stop demonizing vladimir putin, but his words, they spoke to major diplomatic backlash the details. his anti correspondent, peter oliver, vice admiral k. r. him shown by caused big shocks on saturday evening as he stood down from his role as chief of the german navy. it follows comments that he made about the russian president vladimir burton and the ongoing tensions bet

. nato enlargement is not directed against russia. over the last 20 years old nato coalition potential has been a mass on its eastern flank. the lance is expansion towards russian. borders is accompanied by the creation earned modernization of military infrastructure. russia has 16 neighbors in the ninety's. only one of those was the nato state that it became to poland joined. then it became 5 with ukraine and ga, potentially joining. that would be 7 with all the perks that carries like us bases and troops. pray tell how is that not the dictionary definition of encirclement? russia is use a statement from high level officials, as well as disinformation and propaganda outlets to intentionally spread outright falsehoods, to attempt to create a pretext for military action. we all know how the u. s. uses differ information to create a pretext for invading independent states. the irony seems lost entirely on the us state department. we still remember collin bow, right. sadam. hussein has not verifiably accounted for even one teaspoonful of

i hope to realize that no time to make a little deal, at least with russia, negotiate what bothers russia most. and those are those intermediate arrangements. ballistic missiles, a finesse that they do thing and, and we'll get a more stable relationship, which is what i wanted said i wanted was fresher, even tell up. i mean, who is advising by ms. and fiona hill is a jake sullivan. is it victoria new? and, you know, feel because, you know, they're, they're scenario is it, we have to not russia out, knock it out, and then we take on, we take on china. that is it, went to phil here on this when this child's playing this child's play. why, why is the rush in china have a close strategic relationship now? it was made in america. go ahead film. yeah, right. is absolutely right about china being a wild card. certainly been presented here. and it will certainly drive thinking among those people in the white house who are actually capable. and the problem there is that there are, there are few and far between the hatred of russia, this like a rush hour. you want to pass fraser is by parson much.

it's a very, very painful for russia and whatever russia tries to go to read down very badly on russia. so i don't see any real upsides for the bike ministration to do very much, to help out roger with the exception of what they call the strategic stability to nuclear weapon. and that's an issue. i think there, there is a kind of a us interest in restraining the sort of the arms race when it comes to intercontinental ballistic missile. that's a separate issue from major to expand your they americans are very happy just just to make life difficult. rush, well, you know, in the same theme here and we go to earns thin and novice out the is. we have nato steve sultan berg. he said right before the summit, he said on nato states are fully prepared for a quote, new armed conflict in europe. i mean, what kind of language is that going into a summit? ok to de escalate tensions and all of that. and what is it, what does he mean by that? what i mean, how do you think he's defining what a military conflict is? because nato is already said, and the united states separately said, they're not going

these a v, both russia and china. and if we look back a bit in, in german history, it was a green, foreign minister, yoshika fisher, in 1999 who actually helped the green party break through its ideological pacifism and back the nato bombing of serbia. yet we're not seeing similar action here from foreign minister, bear bark, or could that change? well, i think she has a done quite a lot in the past few weeks to, to actually make germany somehow visit in visible in the world. and especially in ukraine than in moscow with her visits there. and the problem is that in fact, at this, in this moment, we seem to have in the leadership of the so called traffic light or coalition in the red for the social democrats, the green in for the greens and the yellow for the free democrat. them are for us anyways and, and the greens and the social democrats simply lack at this point in time. these strategically thinking politicians like yours, catfish at the time who was able actually to pull around the cause of his party and . and ev

why is russia doing this now? why do you feel that you need to make these troop deployment now, when really the security posture of the u. s. a. nato really hasn't changed over the past couple of years. much dos, new to rec room when you're a bug. i think the u. s. state department should analyze the methods of cnn in regard to accuracy. you say we're going to attack ukraine despite our multiple explanations that we won't. but saying this will happen. you then ask why now, when do we not attack? it's a strange question. so we've caused, repeated our fundamental point that never ending nato expansion to east should be stopped. and nibbling can repeated his position on the right to choose alliances. asked him how the u. s. plans to follow his obligation not to strengthen someone security at the expense of the security of others. he promised to explain the us position on that well. so gail unfroze press conference was followed up with one from u. s. secretary of state anthony blinking the u. s. chief diplomat saying

even if russia says they are unsuccessful. all these talks recently we had china, of course, in alaska, that famous blinking meeting went by and became president when china started reading the riot act about native american genocide to the united states. and we saw that tweet or no, it was actually statement by the russian foreign office and replying to blink and saying don't if i read basically don't, if i russians and you houses guests because they'll stay longer than they should. and of course, the russian said you're more likely to be raped or robert, if american stay in your house, maybe the americans, maybe nato, maybe they have their people. they're saying, look, there is a resurgent and certainly a rhetorical, ah anger from moscow badging that we've not seen for a long time. the best thing is to up the ante. i doubt that i think lincoln statement is actually stupid, sang by the russians in another. i'll never go there, and it is now proven wrong. and surprising to go back to a point you made a bit earlier. america's ke

this crimea was annexed by russia. it almost sounds like god, blush for putting fire hen and navy chief must not play his own foreign policy. game in a crisis. clearly vice admiral schon box thought he was off the record, but he was also fundamentally wrong on prospects of appeasing russia. ukraine is also not happy with what has gone on. in fact, the foreign ministry in kiev is calling on germany to officially distance themselves from their fall, the navy chief and what he taught to say they saying that these comments went on to undermine the sovereignty of ukraine. the foreign minister there calling them on acceptable. but this is just the latest issue that we've seen very recently between kiev and lin. just last week. there were problems over the fact that berlin doesn't want to send weapons into ukraine. also, germany has locked the sale of a stony and weapons that were german made to ukraine. this issue concerning the now former navy chief just the latest and was becoming a growing number of problems from austria

to see ukraine, russia, and the relationship between the a, you and russia, dominating those, talk to soon as any news. of course, i'll bring it to you here and i'll see appreciated the latest there from a course from a p to oliver in berlin. run this course live now to can well, sybil is the form of foreign secretary of india a very good afternoon. see sir, thanks for your time. we've just brought our view is this news nato announcing it is. it's essentially moving great military forces to eastern europe. it's, it's, it's made this announcement quite clearly on the nato website. ships fighter jets. how would you 1st react to that news? i think this is playing with fire. the gore. question is the expansion of nato, or do you, graham? and if that problem is evolved, everything else falls in place, and i'm always surprised why finland and sweden would remain out of natal during the fall when the soviet union was very strong and is fed was the 1st off over the world and continue to be outside the to the why can't there be an understanding around ukraine? why is the west, especially the n

all of the issues between russia and nato, russia in the west. what they were an opportunity to do was to, to make sure that the diplomatic route was still very much open. certainly what we've heard from certainly love role. that seems to be the case that there's plenty more ground to be covered by diplomacy. yet when it comes to the situation, the tensions between russia renae so we of course have to wait to see how the united states viewed these talks before. we can get a full picture of exactly how they went down. like the ts me are expecting me. anthony, blinking to talk to the press. any minute now and as soon as he does, we will go straight to it. but thanks for now. that was printer all reporting in geneva, watching out east or to come for you this hour. ok, well i'm sorry. we sold that to auntie, blinking. it's gonna talk any minute now. so we'll get prepared for that. but in the meantime, we're gonna take a quick break. ah booty lou ah ah ah. with no i oh, when i would show the wrong one, i'll just don't rule out the thing because the at

the de escalation talks with russia. other nathan members are also ramping up weapons supplies to key if it is enough to scroll through a couple of random pages to be sure. none of the provisions stand up.

and what russia is saying is, this will not do. we want to guarantee that ukraine will never become part of nato . it will become a neutral country. and i think that this is a reasonable proposition that everybody in the world should be able to get behind. after all, there are a number of countries in europe, such as austria, inland, malta, switzerland, that are neutral countries. and at this point, after the united states and nato have broken their promise to gorbachev many times, and it was in 1990 or 991 when they. ready promised him at nato would not expand one inch eastward of a reunited germany. and they put that in writing and there's lots of evidence of it . but since then, natal has expanded greatly right up to the borders of russia in several cases and now wants, as now creeping in since 2014 has been creeping into ukraine. now, can, you can talk about any of this without mentioning the media. mainstream media coverage of the current escalation is surrounded with different factual mistakes or for instance, sometimes the m

they cannot b o, a niecy arrangement to be russia because if russia, oh will not be considered as an adversary of natal. they will be no joke. no objective for nato and venus. united states will lose its super rossi in europe and the object if she is to fragment europe on to torpedo any reset between western europeans on russia, and in order to prevent mercy, pull our richie to emerge. pierre, and i know it's a man geopolitical expert. thank you very much for joining us on the program. we appreciate it now, just hours before the nato chief spoke, russia's foreign minister spelled out clearly that the country does not want war, sir, gala ralph reiterated moscow's position on escalating tensions with the west. however, he also noted moscow. com to stand by watching its interests being ignored. love rob shared his thoughts during a 90 minute interview to rush and journalists among them was our teeth editor in chief, margarita sim onion, his aunt, mister latter. i've had to say, yes, this is alicia authorities configured c. lately. if it depends on the russian federation, then there will

ukraine poses no threat to russia. it bears repeating it was russia that invaded ukraine in 2014 and occupies crimea to this day. it is russia that continues to fuel a war in eastern ukraine that has claimed nearly 14,000 lives and destroyed entire towns. it is russia and their proxies holding ukrainians as their prisoners and because of russia's actions, nearly 3 million ukrainians are in urgent need of humanitarian assistance. while the suffering is most acute in crimea and eastern ukraine, ukrainians everywhere have felt the effects of russia's aggression. russia has interfered in ukraine's elections and tried to undermine ukraine's democratic institutions paired russia has blocked energy and commerce, launched cyber attacks on ukraine's critical infrastructure. now, russia's actions are causing renewed crisis not only for ukraine but for all of europe and indeed and secretary blinken said for the wider world. one country cannot change the borders of another by force or did take the terms of another country's foreig

. ukraine does not threaten russia. and so the idea that russia, which has attacked ukraine and has attacked other countries in the neighborhood and has taken with territory, can be a threat, is real, which is why it's important for a country like ukraine to seek to join us. so no, i don't see that being taken off the table as a possibility won't happen soon, but i don't think anyone's going to write off that possibility. pizza, when you look at the statements made by ne to european allies over the last few years over the issue of the acquaint. do you feel like you're on a confident position where if needs be the americans along with they to and europeans would be that to protect the ukrainians? very good question. let me just pick up briefly, comment on what vegetable percent and in country, what our russians finally said. you know why the russia is or is not planning to attack. don't boss let, let's be clear. let's be clear that it already has. it has a next crimea country to all international agreements, and it insti