and that's russia. scapegoating. russia is the excuse used by failing to western leads. i cross sucking perceptions of rush. i'm joined by my guest roberts in court. he is a meritus professor of history at university college court and a member of the royal irish academy. his latest book, his stollins library, a dictator in his books in paris we have a moral. he's the founder of the center of political strategic analysis. rappel and here in moscow were joined by vladimir goldstein. he is the chair of the department of slavic studies at brown university. i gentleman crosswalk, rules and effect. that means you can jump in any time you want and i always appreciated. i let me go to jeff 1st in court. russo phobia is very real. we see it all the time, particularly in po and politics and popular culture. if you watch netflix at all, and i have, i have you in ireland to have as of yay. in paris, we have vladimir moscow, but he is a resident of the united states. so, you know, i'd like a little bit about how it's expressed where you are. is there a specific kind of russo phobic e

, a fan of russia. look at what happened during the covet crisis. france is, are one of the country were, was the worst managed during his crises. so the micron sir, the macro, no management of the crises is a complete failure. but look at our mid. yes, it's are always talking about always it worse in russia, or that the delay about the figures and so on and so on. so russia was, or was it a therapy for the, for the french, leftist elite enter, it will continue because it's very, as you say is it's very her comfortable and lazy approach. jeffrey, a comfortable and lazy approach. i couldn't say it back better. i think that's absolutely true. i mean, donna, are potent gotten a trump elected president of oh, europe will freeze this winter because bowden, it's well though it's just because of european in comp and then so, okay, so that's why you have an energy problem. there's actually ample energy in the world that just manage very badly. okay. oh and oh, but since rach adds all its energy, it must be, it'

it is because the russia of today is not the russia of the 19 ninety's. if flat them, it was a if he was compliant to western wishes to western demands. if he allowed russia to be dependent on the international monetary fund, then you would say a very different approach on the west. but of course, the reality is that under vladimir putin, not only has russia regained it, independence, which it lost. so a very great extent during the 1990s, because it was on and i, and met life supports machine. not only that, for them, it has returned russia as a great power, and even for he has listened russia as a superpower. and of course, the americans look to russia as the only country which can truly challenge it. hm, it's hedge. and want to go in the well, they do not look at china in the same way because they know that the chinese economy is dependent on the american economy. so china is not able to challenge russia in the same way. and as i said, moments ago, the situation, the whole issue of russian order is not about migrants, per se, is about russia. it is abo

translation: i hope no one will cross russia's red line. . no one will cross russia's red line. but in each case we are the ones who will decide whether redline is. 0rganisers of any part of our security will regret it like they have not regretted anything for a long time. have not regretted anything for a lona time. , long time. here we see the aggressive _ long time. here we see the aggressive dimension - long time. here we see the aggressive dimension to i long time. here we see the i aggressive dimension to prudence approach. he asserts that russia will set the rules and enforce them. and this all connects to the broader goal of prudence leadership, to establish russia as a global force was up to do that putin wants to test the limits of western power. what we don't know is what he wants to happen next. hello. it's not been a bad start to the weekend. quite a lot of cloud across england and wales although having said that, there were some decent gaps. particularly in the mid part of the day across the north of england and into north wales but further south it was quite a lot

both soldiery and weaponry and bi election baxa. russia, backed by russia, is attempting to stabilize the european union, the stabilize nato. by allow in migrants illegal migrants to enter europe. that says as a pretext for increasing mesa is presence in the east. and what has happened? well, just in the last few days, pizza, british soldiers have been dispatched to poland, to advise the polish governments on how to secure its folder. well, that's quite lawful for a number of reasons, but one of them is this, that the british states doesn't see fit to dispatch a british soldiers to nobody, to defend britons bold as against illegal migrants who i trust in being those channel on a daily basis. indeed, only a few days ago, 1000 illegal migrants entered dover on one day alone. yeah. the so tension between the european union and embarrass nicely really shows the, the, the wanting immigration policy of the european union. because as marcus is pointed out, here is a process is basically just dropped the bone because, you know, they're not particularly happy with the holes in the 1st place ri

so it's all about russia. it's not about ukraine because that's what we keep getting all over again. when i find this really extorting what, what, what about democracy? you know, what about protecting other members of the a lot? no, it's never that it's always, you know, that this is a way to hinder russians now. so security interest, this is what this all about. go ahead, ernst a brand this. i believe that's the reason why it's why taking control of the brand us will be killing several birds with one stone. but it's getting closer brushes, borders, engineering surrounding russia. if the grass specialist wasn't unique, so kevin russell, security in english, please read off of yes. one of the main reasons why russia, when's in 2014, i was the last e fleet is u. s. was in the us, where to go up there and then rushes. lexi lease, which has made russia one. so there's, you know, lexi reagan, i mean that's russia would no longer be of any importance here. let's see if we just look at a map s u. s. nicer la la roman

we're dealing with russia and china. ok. and by definition, these 2 countries have the ability to say, no, i mean, that's not a very interesting negotiating pattern here. and i would, i look at it this way, is it washington? and it's, i always do not want to negotiate. they want surrender, which is not going to happen. and that's why we're making this program here. go ahead. earl. now, peter, you're absolutely right. the, what we've got in a way, it's a policy of containment. they think they can push, push right up to the edge. and ideally, they would like to be a reading change in china, and russia is not going to have the also, they're kind of kind of thinking that china and russia are bluffing, but, but try to rush, you're been very clear on the red line. and they, i do not think they're bluffing. and so next time the conflicts that the u. s. think they can maneuver man in multiple things. i'm going to say the high grid. you've got the energy and i'm excited you got the conflict naval presence long. the ukraine as well. i

i touched on russia. i stay aggressor and didn't to themselves on, on the defense, it will close as a classic example of that going on among the relation to that the migration cross. it's on, on polish, better by the rooster. a nice. so the west western politicians are pointing the finger at russia when it's actually, it's not russia's problem, is why it's not russian promot, others don't. it's a pretty use problem. missed is to probably be use a migration policy, but it's not watch exactly the reality of their own policy, which, which actually is a very come across the policy across all he used front is the other figure is, is pointed to russia and jeffrey, the longer we talk, we always end up agreeing here. let me go to vladimir before we go to the break. you wanna comment anything we've just said here. go ahead. vladimir. yeah, i agree with a very particular with both of you that it's an issue of identity in particular, maybe what i find fascinating is identity of this liberal elite that, that so are y

norm extensions against russia. one is important east, one quote, that in case that it will have dramatic consequences for russia in economics for let's bring in pablo, fog and how a her in moscow, where's the writ? wiggle room. where's the negotiation room here? if president biden does follow up on his comment, that he will speak to both the leaders of here, of, and a moscow in order to try and de escalate the situation. what's he going to go in and negotiate? well, yes, this is somewhat being prepared right now. both washington and moscow, whitehouse and the crime when they're working on the agenda, it should happen before year a year. it's going to be for sure it's going to be kind a be a screen and telephone conversation. but your grade is going to be very high on the agenda, but i'm to moscow hubs that brief and ship that being right now use a bossa, bo regional war with the threat of an escalation into all european are. i don't know global conflict that that will move the united states to change somewhat this

and then russia mobilizes and a is more. so then i have to step back and say ok we, we will follow it, but nothing changes do. push your credit. and this is kind of in the post cold war experience between russia. they don't all along, it continues to rush, you know, we're not going to expand and insure we're not going to put the new troops in eastern europe and then gradually they have all this agreements. but then they begin to make incremental changes on the ground and step by step and one day the saying, well, these agreements belong to reality. that's, you know, there was the person that was going to why russia is kind of fed up in the also seeing more it is so doesn't want to start to renegotiate from scratch on the old agreement. so it's kind of drawing as clear red lines. i mean, you can agree or disagree with the russians about, but this is kind of, it is not going to move any more on this because you know, when, why should they i'm, if you're going to constantly be changing your mind and what is the value of your cu

and at the same time, they're trying to provoke russia. so, you know, the, there are times when they thinking, well, what we need to do is to do a kissinger and reverse. we need to align ourselves with russia and china get separate the 2 great powers. and then they go back to no, no, no, we prefer to confront russia and china together. let's have our global democracy summit, which we can feel good about ourselves, that we are now dead set against the on democratic enemies. it's a policy that is guaranteed to create a, you know, doubt in the mind of the chinese leaders, and therefore it is extremely dangerous. and that goes along with milly's famous or infamous, a telephone call to the chinese leaders during the lack of days of the truck administration, telling them, well, don't worry, we're not about to attack you. but if we do attack you, i promise i'll give you a phone call ahead of time. so the chinese leaders really don't know what the washington is doing. and i think that's why there is furious as they are. you know, glendon when i fi

and that is, russia is again, a great power. russia is the only country that can limits american global it, as you say, in control thompson's assign. sometimes russia is a very conservative country. it was, it was a conservative country. of course, under the sauce, it was a conservative country under the bolsheviks. on modern day, russia continues to be a conservative country. it holds its cultural and spiritual values. and that is what provoked such a staying in washington and london. it was against russia. it's a breath against the consensus. i want to thank my guest in london and employment and want to thank you for watching us here. are the see you next time remember? ah ah ah, when i was a kid and engagement with so many find themselves, well the part we choose to look for common ground. oh, the headlines at this hour on the chrome, the new cobra strain from south africa spreads across the world with nations canceling flights and even keeping the fully vaccinated in isolation. also to come, president biden, and the married san francisco face of public backlash after day on cold fir

well, the whole russia gave this. you got a dungeon in the story about drug and the russian ross did use agency. you are an angel him in a morsel office. you know that the american media urinate or go up there for several years. the language that you was was so rude, so force, and it was based on the lives of just one individual either and maybe then jenko is a product, probably a pretty creepy character. i don't know him personally, but i mean he, he did what he was asked to do. he was asked to do apo research and you know, to get your paycheck, you got to push the envelope there, you know, coming in maybe a little bit more, a little bit more spicy. ok, a doesn't get them, i'll get him on it. i will just say very with. busy hans, monkey very well, here's what we're going to advise is each the story. dungeon feeds the story cuz you steal things in the story because you still have it for them yet. and then we have 3 years old wise. that is what it. oh, okay, but let me go back to george here been the, the, the interest

russia: a fraternal rivalry." his most recent book is "climate change and the nationstate: the case for nationalism any warming world." explain what is happening between ukraine and russia. anatol: russia is trying to send a message of its influx about opposition to nato membership for ukraine, and trying to extract concessions from ukraine, and more importantly, washington, about the reopening of political negotiations about the future of the separatist region in eastern ukraine. moscow wants to see a restarting of the minsk process of 2015, which led to a recommendation by france, germany, and oyster by the -- germany, endorsed by the states within the ukraine. so this is russia just sending you message and trying to exert pressure. it does have to be said that woods this year from president putin -- that language this year from president putin and other officials has been a good deal harsher than it has been for several years now, so the possibility of war certainly cannot be excluded. juan: you mentioned franc

so these are russia, europe have to work together. but right now there's a lot of problems and a lot of misunderstanding is very complex and very dangerous. cordelia is said there is going to be a long way to go for the germans to before they have their own diversify do renewable energy platforms for the time being. do you think that bringing non russian oil to the european market is going to be easy tapping into potential resources nearby or looking for alternatives? is this something which is feasible in the short term? when he already, we already see l n g from all sorts fights of the world to come to europe, to l. n. g terminals. we have them pipelines coming from the mediterranean, from north africa, through the mediterranean. but mind you there again, we have, if you look at libya, if you look out a dodge area, we have geopolitical tensions. so, so, so there again, we need to m it's, it's just europe will need to get the gas empty oil from where they can get it and, and russia will, will, we will remain a major, a major supplier

for any kind of dialogue with russia. no, i'm not speaking about concessions. any kind of dialogue is viewed as a huge, huge weakness. you know, we should be taken to russia if we can see the crimea ukrainian territory, even though you know, i did the crimea 10 times in my childhood, in my youngest, i never want green spoken there, but you do like the state consider crimea. great. it means that us warships and british waters, well be no russian. it's $3020.00 was at their own burial. you know, the world may go down, but they will be doing that. and the people behind the boys, johnson all american, but just they know they're not going to be held responsible. if something terrible happens, they will blame it all in russia. and this continues. i mean, just this week we saw this new responsible staff. a congressman suggested not creeping. i shouldn't victory if you're around since 2024. so this is, as you saw seem to me. no, i'm not actually sure whether or not, but these people are, they have already placed and will even hap

but russia maintains it will, sole, the countenance energy crisis. last month president vladimir putin announced moscow could start supplies as soon as it gets the green light from germany. jeremy kobus, you know, papa zap all in the gossum. as i've already told you, is 18500000000 cubic meters multiplied by 2 minus 9 billions of guest non delivered on the european markets by the americans and the middle east partners and 22500000000 shortage because of decreasing production. european gas markets could now face a shortage of 70000000000 cubic meters of guess that's a lot. yes, the meet you understood if it's in the earth pipeline of the north seemed to is full of gas. and if the gym and regular to hands have clearance for supplies to morrow, supplies of 17500000000 cubic meters will start the day after to morrow. in december or the technical work to fill the 2nd pipeline of north gym to will be finished. in total, the amount will be 55000000000 cubic meters away. ukraine opposes the nor stream gas pipeline and welcomed the german regulators. decision

russia needs europe. russia is supplying gas to japan, china, but europe is an essential client so they are tied together. the future has problems with the co2 signature taxation coming into effect in europe and eu saying they will oppose any kind of extraction of gas or oil in the arctic, which russia rejects. so there are serious problems now and in the future of how russia will be seen and interact with europe in supplying gas, oil, fertilizer, and other commodities. so russia and europe have to work together but right now there are a lot of problems and misunderstandings. it is complex and dangerous. >> [indiscernible] do you think bringing non-russian oil to the european market will be easy, looking for alternatives? is this feasible short-term? >> we already see energy from other parts of the world to come to europe. we have pipelines coming from the mediterranean, from north africa through the mediterranean. but if you look at libya and algeria, there are also geopolitical tensions. so europe will

tim, to russia. if he again escalates crush yet, but i only works if biden actually follows through. i mean, you're giving the javelin anti tank defense systems already. you've got billions of dollars worth of military aid going to the ukraine. all of those things. russia says actually have escalated the situation, those need to be withdrawn and then we might be able to talk. i mean, you got to follow through. right, right. but this fishing would you just the outline is i think puzzles logic. logic is correct. that putin is trying vibration shipped to gain concession. why in the world we accept this? no, the, the, the, the situation around your pain is certainly dangerous and it become more dangerous . but it's not as dangerous as the berlin crisis in 1961. if you're in missile crisis, 1962, when, when kremlin brinkman ship, ah, brought the world to thermonuclear war, the threshold with them on the war. we are much stronger than russia today. oh, there's no reason why we need to panic. so again we, w

now, at the core of russia needs attentions, lies. most concerned about matters expansion towards his borders. not only through formal acceptance of new members, but also through some sort of informal cooperation, most notably with ukraine in georgia. and i would suppose that now when native feels certain weakness with the american, leaving them in such your disregarding fashion, there will be some need for postering. would you expect that to come come up again with that you know, more courting of georgia and ukraine and perhaps even more pride practical steps in trying to draw them closer in people. i think we've seen that with general lloyd austin statements, you know, those are just statements at this point and wish before but will yes, but i mean, you know, they restate the commitment i don't think that the biden administration wants at the moment to, to actually increase those commitments in practice because after all means this is absolutely basic geo politics. if you're facing at least as you said, the need for vastly increased

so it's all about russia. it's not about ukraine because that's what we keep getting all over again. i mean, i find this really extreme. what, what, what about democracy? you know, what about protecting other members of the line? no, it's never that it's always, you know, this is a way to hinder russians now. so security and trust. this is what this all about. go ahead, ernst. a friend this, i guess the reason why is why did you control you ran us would be killing several birds with one stone, but it's getting closer brushes, borders, so continuing surrounding russia is the grass specialist with me. so kevin russell, security in english houston region often. yes. one of the main reasons why russia when's in 2014? i was the last e fleet is u. s. u s. went to go up there and then russia's lexia lease, which has made russia one. so there's, you know, lexia reading or mean that's russia would no longer be of any importance. lassie, if we just look at a map s u s nicer blah, blah romania area. they have to as well.

i've been working on russia for decades. i started studying russia in 1984. the whole premise of the russian intervention was an old one, they did this during the cold war. it was propaganda, a pretty sophisticated influence operation and i felt that if i did not stand up, who else was going to try to do this? and there are a lot of other people who i knew in the administration and in the government who were trying to do something to address this too. so i thought it was worth the effort no matter how it turned out later. we will address how it turned out later. i just want to change tact for a moment. i'm intrigued to see in your home where we are interviewing you from you've put a, and i don't blame you, you've put a copy of your recently published book, there's nothing for you here, it's called. and that message is something that i want to discuss with you because you took this very seniorjob in the us administration, you became a naturalised us citizen but of course you began life in the northeast of england. you're child of a former miner, your family ha

russia's behavior remains a matter of concern for the baltic states. anchor: let's look at those concerns with the president of lithuanian's foreign policy advisor. welcome to dw. are you really expecting a russian invasion? >> lithuania and other baltic countries are the guardians of the external nato and eu border. we are on the front line of the alliance, and we are ready to defend ourselves and the alliance in any circumstances. we understand that article five is for all nato members, and we are very much count on nato allies as well. i must remind u that germany, namely germany, is in charge of enhanced forward presence in the waning -- lithuania, a military unit set up after 2014 invasion in ukraine, so we together with our allies and we trusted them and we are ready to defend ourselves. anchor: ok, so you're ready to defend. you are prepared, but this is something you really, truly expect to happen? do you believe that russia is messing troops in the east in order to invade? >> it is clear that russian behavior is aggressive. it was witnessed by

i don't think nato wants to fight russia. i don't think the united states wants to fight russia. but a, they certainly are intrigued by the idea that ukraine may fight russia, which we all know what the result would be. and that is a plan result. go ahead markets i most of you. that's the well, it is beginning to reach a climax regarding ukraine because america's goes in of russia has served a purpose. specifically, buying washington have been proven to play increase naval. ready presence in the black sea, this has inevitably about a response from russia, and that has provided the americans with a pretext to increase, not only nato's a presence in the boat and in eastern europe. but it is also enabled the americans to increase their military and economic assistance to ukraine. so the americans and the british weaponry, at the same time, the international monetary fund, which of course, is a weapon of washington and london has agreed to release funds for ukraine. so we can see that a very dangerous picture is emerging, and the americans and the british on now in a position to ceme

so it's a way for genie date, russia and russia was science that and i completely agree with you is the same story with done this on a seemingly as the actual but these were all when they asked i absolutely more, but the punishments were so severe. the language use them was so or style that in the, in can people. i mean don't give a try as the, as the whole problem is that all these stories are based on a lie. i mean, the need to know, read, just go magazine bro, the lines that we're going to do a lot, the more you will then all you know, and if you the way roddicks, if right now, just a few days ago, there was a dodge for the move that for you own us where you know on us, there were no extra the guys were present. well, the whole russia gates in this dungeon. the story about john and the russian ross, if you will give you're in a general him in a more school office, you know, the american media urinate or go up there for several years. and the language that you was was so rude, so force. and it was based on the lives of just one individual either and maybe then jenko is a product, prob

he's a historian analyst, an author of the book arrives russia, the return of russia to world politics. and here in moscow we have maxine, huge golf. he is director of center for advanced american studies at moscow state institute of international relations. or gentleman cross talk rules and effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. i know with marcus in london, well, the story with roots in poland is gaining attention and intensity by the way, about the legal immigration. now the, what the you was saying, and particularly the polls is that these people are being dumped on to them. but the brussels is very hesitant for borders and not to speak of walls here. but more and more people coming through their roost is saying these people are transiting here. there's something much more play here. and i think it is, is that the local shank of the russian president? he's basically saying you want to resolve this issue. you have to talk to me, don't keep talking to says he doesn't want to talk about it. it's really, bill is, is forcing an issue for the europe

when in russia they do at lynn. roger, so what then do anything well, have a reputation in the same people that are doing it here. all right, that's all the time we want to thank my guest here in montgomery. we're still watching this here our next time, remember, ah, ah, a wrong went on just a to see how this thing becomes the answer to an engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will to part, we choose to look for common ground. oh is your media a reflection of reality in the world transformed what will make you feel safe? isolation for community? are you going the right way or are you being that somewhere? direct? what is true? what is faith? in the world corrupted, you need to descend a join us in the depths or remain in the shallows and by drink shaped bankers out of those with there's things we dare to ask move.

didn't see russia in china's move coming. when you consider that, since the disasters pull out of afghanistan, the united states is once again been trying to agitate both on the on the western front, with, with nato and in the black sea area. and now in the, in the pacific, somehow to try and rectify it's abysmal failure. and after 20 years and ask dana, stan, and i'm afraid that the united states is beginning to overreact and, and you cannot blame russia and china now to decide to band together. and deal with this constant irritant. i think that it is, it is a surprise, somewhat to washington, that the 2 have united and all that they're doing really is looking back on the good old days of the cold war when soviet union and, and china even though they were aligned with one another somewhat, there was an ability to play one off against the other. that's not going to happen today. or just about the headlines for you in a brief here. what are you into national that protest swept turkey. it's off to the national currency, crashed