deputy foreign minister of poland pawel- minister of poland pawel jablonski, thank you for coming on hardtalk.— on hardtalk. thank you for havin: on hardtalk. thank you for having me- _ hello. temperatures fell back closer to average again in scotland and northern ireland on wednesday. but milder air is coming back and the warm autumn continues because this week so far, 17 on monday was the high temperature. 17 again on tuesday. wednesday saw 16 degrees and there is another push of milder air approaching from the atlantic around an area of low pressure, which is also going to bring the chance of rain and some windier conditions for a day and a night, anyway. thisis how we start thursday morning. you will be quite chilly across parts of southern scotland, northern ireland in northern england. we will see some clear spells overnight, also the far north of scotland, so there is a touch of ground frost possible. this area of rain in scotland weakening with the cloud as it pushes its way northwards again. for england wells that will be a lot of cloud, mist and murk to begin with, some f

that suggests they really are going to be talking about poland, they just won't say "poland." it seems to me there is a lot to talk about that has nothing to do with the actual location at which events occurred. why shouldn't the district court go through the testimony and say anything that looks like location, you can't get into, but what did you do with the petitioner, what was your relationship with other people? nothing about poland. why can't that be a way to proceed? >> mr. chief justice, that works in contexts like salim and in military commissions where there is no focus, no relevance to the location at all. what the district court found is you can't take the location out of this proceeding because the whole point of the proceeding is to get evidence for a polish investigation. the evidence wouldn't be relevant unless it had occurred in poland. the very first sentence of the application, page 1-10-a, says we are seeking evidence to send to a prosecutor in polpoland. 12 of the 13 discovery requests specifically refer to poland. >> mr. fletcher, does that mean if there w

what kind of action from the eu does poland want to see? it is indeed important to act quickly, it's important to be united and consistent in what we do. because it's the only language that mister lukashenko can understand. the eu has acted very fairly, very quickly this late spring, early summer when a ryanair flight was hijacked in order to detain one of the members of belarusian civil society. the sanctions imposed also in the belarusian airspace were really strongly felt by the dictator. and this is the answer we should have now as well. so another set of sanctions targeting both the individuals and the entities that try to engage in organising this illegal migration as well as further economic sanctions damaging the plan of the dictator. this is necessary in order to make him no longer breach international law. so deeper and wider european union sanctions against belarus. so what kind of economic sanctions are you talking about? i think all options should be on the table because the situation we are facing right now is unprecedented. w

that suggests they really are going to be talking about poland, they just won't say "poland." it seems to me there is a lot to talk about that has nothing to do with the actual location at which events occurred. why shouldn't the district court go through the testimony and say anything that looks like location, you can't get into, but what did you do with the petitioner, what was your relationship with other people? nothing about poland. why can't that be a way to proceed? >> mr. chief justice, that works in contexts like salim and in military commissions where there is no focus, no relevance to the location at all. what the district court found is you can't take the location out of this proceeding because the whole point of the proceeding is to get evidence for a polish investigation. the evidence wouldn't be relevant unless it had occurred in poland. the very first sentence of the application, page 1-10-a, says we are seeking evidence to send to a prosecutor in polpoland. 12 of the 13 discovery requests specifically refer to poland. >> mr. fletcher, does that mean if there w

doesn't name poland? do i got this right? >> i think you do, justice sotomayor. i apologize for interrupting a moment ago. i think that goes to the heart of it. we're not talking about a secret anymore. we're talking about a governmental wish not to assist this polish investigation. >> so that goes back to the ml -- which is, this is a government agreement with poland about what happens when a state secret is invoked. both governments have agreed that when each side invokes a state secret, the other can say, they can say no. aren't we ignoring that agreement between governments? you represent the polish government in this action. you're acting to help them. why don't we do that view that, or review this request as a request by the polish government. >> well i'm representing abu zubaydah -- >> but you're doing this to assist the polish investigation. >> well, i would say the polish investigation is looking after abu zubaydah's interest, not the other way around. abu zubaydah had -- >> but it doesn't act on

poland says they can't come in. thousands of refugees are trapped between those countries as they try to make their journey further into europe. poland accuses belarus of using the refugees as political pawns. they blame poland for the refugees dire situations. they will threatening to create another migrant crisis on the continent. the european union is threatening even more sanctions against the belarussina government. >> trapped between the woods and a highway in belarus, these people have been walking towards the polish border anxious to enter the european union. >> on the other side, polish security forces in riot gear part of the 12,000 that have been station there had guard thing frontier preventing hundreds of refugees and migrants from breach thing border. but it is a deadlock that risks igniting on another immigration crisis on the step of the e.u. for months many have be violating the law. the e.u. has accuseed alexander lukashenko of orchestrating wave after wave in asylum seekers in retaliation it impos

because they didn't come to poland. i didn't try to come to poland legally. is that okay to do whatever you need to do in order to stop them? it's not as likely once is using children as their shields and is putting them 2 together with his parent, with their parents and with the settings. okay. to glass children no affect you. okay. and your you're comfortable with glancing children. no, we are uncomfortable with defending our part of their when someone attacks it, including children. this and then a jump. can i jump in here? i say that the her, that her whole answer is to, in what it can do, and what most of the states will do. they were, they were there so we can understand that, you know, let's not blame poland. let's blame those people who brought to these children this families. this migrants for this situation because this people can not get bags they brought to the forest. they were given grenades, spam grenades, they were given this special clippers. they were given storms especially toward target the border. the coastal gush anchor wanted to divide

is it rarely a win for countries like poland? if lucas shank has weakened but at the expense or the benefit of countries like russia, that much comfort and walsall oh, well yeah. one me as well. and i just like to comment a on the previous thing for me from russell. and i said, well, i think that this issue should be completely unbelievable. you know, because a way to the other piece, you know, we are protecting our bo this and that should be b point number one in a little jump in and tell you what a lot of human rights groups are saying, you know, a couple of 1000, mostly women and children aren't exactly a huge security threat to the continent of europe. all they, yes. wow. i mean, they could be a, you know, humane way to deal with this. even if you know was hold, doesn't want to have to deal with people being shipped in special poll. we are, we are dealing with those people and we want to help them. and this is their responsibility . all 4 of the parents who are taking those children for like a huge tree which also cost a lot

eu into poland, which is. many migrants are from the middle east. most are young men, though some are women and children. many don't have food or water. they are coming up against recently erected razor wire fence. poland has sent 12,000 troops to the area. conditions were freezing overnight. we know some migrants have died of hypothermia in recent weeks. others are told -- have told the bbc the belarusian authorities are pushing them towards that border fence. poland is trying to expelnyone who comes across. the migrants are stranded. closto a polish border town where you can see marked on the map. the map is under a state of emergency. journalists and organizations have restricted access. nick beake is nearby. nick: we watched dozens of reinforcements raced to this area. poland has a force of 12,000 guarding its eastern border. it is keeping a agencies and journalists away. but we managed to make contact with those trapped in the freezing forest. >> nobody helps us in the end. we are so hungry. we are thursd

now mainly through poland. the e. u has accused bela received leda alexander, look shanker, of orchestrating wave upon wave of undocumented migrants and asylum seekers. in retaliation they say, for sanctions imposed on his government of its violent crackdowns on the opposition court in the middle of his brinkman ship. those attempting to escape the harsh conditions they find themselves in with no shelter and being still towards poland by bela lucy and state border officials. some had taken the chance of the hearing that bella was in travel agents was selling these invitations to the you only to find themselves surviving for weeks in the forest. the board of poland and belarus, get the details of the cuts are they? they provide everything then, but when you say when, when you said to them, ok, i want to go to men take, i want to go. i want to go back to my country. so then they said, no, you go to go on the level, they put the gun to our heads. when we were, when, when we said we need to go to minutes, if so far, oppon

first of all, poland has always been working pretty well. i've been out of my friends and it will be friends. let me jump. if i may liliana present to the perspective from beller, if they say countries like poland have actually created this crisis because they're not observing. humane treatment and reception of potential refugees and migrants who just want a safe place in europe. of course, of course, but there are. 5 legal ways to enter the european union employee here. they can try to get to but what we're trying to help those people. but if it's not possible in this case, because of the hybrid war, and this is regina, you're think those people to try to disability like here, let me take that perspective to moscow big. what do you make of the suggestions that ready bell russian authorities have created this crisis is some kind of political payback because of the dispute between the e u. countries like poland and bella. ruth, well, we have to look back a little more than a year to see where the roads of this crisis lie. so means the locatio

they're trying to get from belarus to the european union via poland, but the authorities in poland won't let them. he's what some my glance told out is syria earlier yet another one a couple even if they give us money, we're not going to stay in poland. just opened the fence and we will not stay. the situation is real bad here we're cold. the fire is suffocating us and we can't breathe. no one has come to speak with us about our situation. well that not that much of a de hunt. this is nancy toilet while they're using pepper spray and water and tear gas against the children. is this the human rights of europe? 10 days we've been here without water temperatures or mine is 5. and what can we do? where are the human rights organizations? we were a good country, they invaded iraq in 2003. we've lost everything. we sold our cars and sold our houses. they've destroyed our country and now this is their human rights. no knowledge. vienna, martin the live glom on in nevada. we haven't slept since yesterday. our feet are freezing and the only word we can hear is attention attention. and we have kid

no poland. germany is life. no poland. germany is life. no poland. germany is now calling for collective action from eu countries. nato has added its voice, excusing belarus of using these people as political pawns. poland is closing its border crossing with belarus and it has also approved plans to build a wall, replacing the ways a wire in a bid to stem this human tide. —— the razor wire. the eu is expected to remove ukraine from its list of covid—safe countries today following a sustained increase in numbers. ukraine's covid statistics currently make grim reading. less than one in five ukrainians are double vaccinated, the lowest rate in europe. more than 600 people are dying from covert everyday. mgf, here is our correspondence jonah fisher —— from kyiv. —— dying of covid. in ukraine's hospitals, the alarm bells are ringing. this latest record—breaking covid wave is filling the wards with patients and the vast majority of them are unvaccinated. this doctor says she is fighting to save the life of a llo—year—old mother of three

belarus into poland. that state of emergency a last for 3 months. now the bellow rush in ab border guards have actually put out a statement in which they've said that the polish side are attempting to inflame the situation. taking into account statements by polish officials on the concentration of armed forces and equipment near the border, we do not exclude the possibility of provocative actions by the polish side and justifying the use of physical force and special equipment against refugees. or this by that statement, it's hard to see what poland would stand to gain from.

a _ poland. why should poland open the border to you? a fear _ poland. why should poland open the border to you? a fear that _ poland. why should poland open the border to you? a fear that people i border to you? a fear that people will die. poland _ border to you? a fear that people will die. poland has— border to you? a fear that people will die. poland has been - border to you? a fear that people will die. poland has been accused border to you? a fear that people i will die. poland has been accused of ttushin will die. poland has been accused of pushing back _ will die. poland has been accused of pushing back migrants _ will die. poland has been accused of pushing back migrants illegally. i will die. poland has been accused of pushing back migrants illegally. but| pushing back migrants illegally. but it wants to highlight this, troops from belarus appearing to force migrants along the border, and it has accused belarus of terrorism, masterminded by russia. the european union says that this is a man—made political crisis. union says that this is a

well, this is a statement somewhat expected from poland. it's a nation, consistently deaf to migrants please. this time though, it's message is being echoed much louder by both the us and the european commission . as long as the resume and belarus refuses to respect the international obligations and commitments, undermines the peace and security of europe and continues to repress and abuse, people seeking nothing more than to live in freedom. we will continue to pressure lucas ranko and will not lessen our calls for accountability. dello is my stop put in people's lives at risk. i call for approval of extended sanctions, possible sanctions, and 3rd country airlines involved. we also want to prevent the humanitarian crisis and ensure safe returns. it's a message which is in stark contrast to previous statements, even those by this same person to those who cannot go back or stay home, we have to offer alternatives. this means 1st that we must offer legal and safe roads globally organized by us to those who need our protection. the commission

why is poland closed? i want to go to germany, not poland. nobody wants to stay in poland. cliques why do you go to germany? >> it's a good country. >> most of the migrants come from the middle east. people fleeing war, poverty, now used as pawns that is proving deadly. close to one dozen migrants have lost their life so far. some of exhaustion, others freezing to death. human rights groups warn the situation has grown worse by the day. with food and medicine and short supply and subzero temperatures dipping further. a humanitarian crisis unfolding as the conflict grows. brent: with no resolution in sight, angela merkel says she has asked vladimir putin to intervene. they spoke by phone earlier today. >> i would like to thank the countries currently protecting the border. latvia, lithuania, and poland. you have all seen the images which are cause for concern. i spoke to vladimir putin today and asked him to appeal to president lukashenko. because people are being used. they are victims of an inhumane policy and something must be done about it. brent: let's pull in our polit

is that a concern for poland? yes, definitely. this is a concern for the whole country as society is also showing very visible signs of solidarity. notably people in the area in the border area, several municipalities are organizing help. they're providing shelter to those people who come through the green border and they are seeking assistance. busy meals, warm work close. you have an activist san jose actively trying to assist to those people. but at the same time, there was a pushback law. so when those people are assisted and when they are healthy enough, they're being put again at the border. and they are not being led through into their destination. that most often is germany. ok. there's been some analysis that this comes at an opportune time for the ruling party in poland. i guess some in the you don't see poland, particularly as a beacon of democracy or the rule of law. there were thousands of people out in the streets just recently protesting the tricks, anti abortion law. but instead of headlines about that, it's now ge

u into poland. that this situation really could unravel to be explosive, very soon for the moment the german interior minister says he, what poland is doing in regard to securing pulse have reacted correctly so far. we cannot criticize them for securing the use external border with admissible means, the poles are filling a very important service for the whole of europe. the situation was discussed also by the russian president, putin and the bel russian president lucas shall go in a tool on tuesday. the russian foreign minister also suggesting that could be one way of improving the situation fairly fast. to make this a lot faster than it is, this is kayla rob suggesting that you could offer financial assistance to bell or something that he has done in the past. it made to deal with turkey back in around 2016 to trying to talk to migrant flows. and he suggesting that that could be something that you could also do in this case, it doesn't appear though that that is something current that the e u wants

so somehow poland needed to regain this interest . it needed to attract attention to artificially create some problems in order to ask for help. but help would only be forthcoming if it was not to blame someone needed to be blamed. therefore, bell roost was an easy target because poland didn't want to accept migrants. it's had invited. the best option would have been if warsaw had negotiated with germany or a rack, and found a mutual understanding with president lucas jenko with poland. didn't want to do this. battle roost did not achieve its fav adoption. and this option would of same poland, simply let the migrants had at earlier invited in go to germany, germany as considering getting tougher on the pandemic with a new batch of restrictions. now under review, this comes as the countries infection rate reaches its highest level since the coven outbreak started. hospital beds are reported to be in short supply in the worst affected areas. to cope with the spike doctors have already warned that some scheduled operations will have to b

but to get there, they 1st need to pass through poland. the number of migrants trying to reach to you through the poland bowers border has been on the rise. lately, i bought the situation dramatically escalated yesterday when thousands of refugees are formed the column and march towards the polish border. some of them tried to get through the barbed wire fence using a free treat trunks and spades. others actually carded with the wire cutters. polish security forces responded with tear gas and a pepper spray even gone. fire was heard at one point. poland has already called a state of emergency and brought around 12000 troops to the border, according to the polish officials who said that this is so far, the biggest attempt to andrew poland by force. the feud intensified last month when warsaw thou to expel migrants who cross the border illegally. passing a low for them to be pushed back. critic slammed the measure, calling it an abuse of a you and international law. i'm response. russia says the west been running and information campaign aga

poland has declared a state of emergency alonged border. journalists and humanitarian groups are barred from the area. on the other side, only belarus state aligned media has access. the mignts have mainly come from the middle east, many fleeing war or poverty. ey want to head further west for a better future in europe. human rights activists say food and medicine are in short supply and temperatures are dipping below freezing, a humanitarian crisis unfolding as the threat of conflict rises. brent: our correspondent is near the border between poland and belarus tonight. it's good to see you. we know there is the state of emergency declared that places have a lot of restrictions on reporters. tell us exactly where are you right now and what do you see? >> we arrived here near the small town in the afternoon and we were blocked by the police cars that you can see behind me probably like all other journalists, we are all standing here doing our reporting because we cannot go there. usually this road, you can see behind me in the dark leads to

even gun fire were at one point. poland was. poland has already called a state of emergency and brought around 12000 troops to the border, according to the polish officials who said that this is so far the biggest attack to enter a poland, a by force. now both war saw in men's continue to blame each other for the dire situation at the frontier polish authorities claim that bela versus encouraging middle east migrants being the kurds and iraq is to cross into the european union through its territory in response to western sanctions against bela cruz but men's has denied its role in manufacturing the current crisis and accused the polish forces of an inhumane and violent approach towards migrants including women and children, seeking a better life. in the e. u bela russian officials believe the situation could have been avoided. if war saw, had let these people in and considered their asylum applications instead of forcefully pushing them back, it's pretty hard to predict how the current situation is going to develop. none of the migrants we spoke to are willing to stain bella roof or go

no poland. everyone here. babies, women. reporter: that they were met by barbed wire and polish soldiers stationed along the border. some migrants tried to breach the fence but they were pushed back. poland says the situation is under control. the e.u. accuses belarussian president aleksandr lukashenko of instrumental raising the migrants, mostly from the middle east, to put pressure on the bloc, allowing them to fly into belarus and then encouraging them to cross into neighboring e.u. countries like poland and lithuania. >> this is a continuation of the desperate attempt by the lukashenko regime to use people as pawns to destabilize the european union and, of course, the values that we stand for. we have repeatedly firmly rejected attempts are instrumentalized people for political purposes. porteruestionecause governme has denied manufacturg the situation in retaliation for e.u. sanctions on belarus. poland has deployed thousands of soldiers to the border, built a razor wire fence, and declared a state of emergency in the r

poland. and at the top 26 climate summit, you had sector general calls on world leaders to pick up the pace that can they strike a deal the final day? mm. in sport, australia will face new zealand and target c 20 world cup final australia beats in pakistan. by 5, what keeps him as semi final, to reach sundays to title decide, ah, begin the news, our ensue don, web protest as it built barricades across roads outside the capital of to a new sovereign council was unveiled one which is all but excluded opposition. voice as the announcement was made by a bill for to upward hon the general who lead last month's military takeover. he'd promised civilians would be involved in a new ruling body. but this one is dominated by the military and he's reserve the leadership for himself. it's feared this crony fuel a camp of strikes, rallies and civil disobedience will in a moment, will have reaction from the united nations. my canter is standing by for that 1st though too, or so, sir, whose incidents capita

he wants eu member poland to let them through. my message is, i want open the border to poland. why should poland open the border to you? one day, two day, three day, after, have died. you fear that people will die? yes. poland has been accused of pushing back migrants illegally. but it wants to highlight this — belarusian troops appearing to force migrants along the border, the polish accusing belarus of terrorism, masterminded by russia. and tonight, angela merkel appealed directly to moscow. translation: you are all following _ these disturbing images. i had russian president vladimir putin on the phone today and i asked him to take action with president lukashenko because people are being used here. but russia has hit back, claiming the eu is provoking belarus. moscow released this footage which, it said, showed two bombers being sent to patrol its ally�*s airspace in a show of solidarity and strength, as international tensions rise from this border chaos. this huge forest, called bialowieza, is one of europe's oldest woodlands, but it's now the epicentre of the continen

the eu's eastern border, where poland meets belarus. poland's an eu member. belarus isn't. there are 4000 migrants, many from the middle east. have been repeated attempts to raise down this razor wire fence a people can cross into poland. full reported two separa incidents of groups trying to do just that. overall, there have been 599 attempts in the past when he four hours. -- past 24 hours. we have reports close to the border. reporter: this is the main road to belarus. the border is over the horizon. this is as close as we can get this morning, because a state of emergency remains in place. that means generalists can get to the border area and crucially aid agencies and charities cannot reach the people who are now trapped between poland and belarus. we think there are maybe out of 4000 people who have spent a second night in the forest in subzero conditions, obviously there are concerns about their welfare. we've heard overnight that two groups of people were able to break through the fence and get into poland, get onto eu soil. not hundreds of people, may be of dozens

he wants eu member poland to let them through. my message is, i want open the border to poland. why should poland open the border to you? one day, two day, three day, after, have died. you fear that people will die? yes. poland has been accused of pushing back migrants illegally. but it wants to highlight this — belarussian troops appearing to force migrants along the border. the polish accusing belarus of terrorism, masterminded by russia. and tonight, angela merkel appealed directly to moscow. translation: you are all following these - disturbing images. i had russian president vladimir putin on the phone today and i asked him to take action with president lukashenko because people are being used here. but, russia has hit back, claiming the eu is provoking belarus. moscow released this footage which, it said, showed two bombers being sent to patrol its ally�*s airspace in a demonstration of solidarity and strength, as international tensions rise from this border chaos. this huge forest, called bialowieza, is one of europe's oldest woodlands, but it's now the epicentre of t

and these are the children, women and men stuck in a deadly stand off on the poland. better roost border thousands and now and make shift camps along the razor. wire humanitarian group say they're lacking food and medicine. social media footage for recent days shows several 100 refugees and migrants escorted by that a russian security heading towards poland. the large numbers have escalated a crisis that's been boiling for many weeks. many if they can get into the, you don't want to stay in poland where they know they're not. welcome. no, go. well, we are going to get money. gemini died, no form of the month, thousands of feet entering the flock through better roost at 1st, by lithuania and latvia. now, mainly through poland. the e u. accuse is better. russian leader, alexander lucas shanker. of orchestrating ways of migrants and refugees. in retaliation for sanctions imposed on his government for violent crackdowns on the opposition. on monday, poland said it had withstood attempts by migrants to force their way across the border. authorities of acute batteries have

so somehow poland needed to regain this interest . it needed to attract attention to artificially create some problems in order to ask for help. but help would only be forthcoming if it was not to blame someone needed to be blamed. therefore, belarus was an easy target because poland didn't want to accept migrants. it's had invited the best option would have been if warsaw had negotiated with germany or a rack and found a mutual understanding with president lucas shank o. the poland didn't want to do this. battle roost did not achieve its fav adoption . in this option would have seen poland simply let the migrant sit up earlier invited in go to germany. melanie today few or frontline national health service staff in england will have to be fully vaccinated against cove. it all they face losing their jobs. the plan's been outlined by the government although estimate suggest more than a 120000 health and social care workers could now quit over the issue. shut evers dashti report. obviously that's usually concerning the sector that's alr

will they be able to stay here in poland? move on to other european countries, or will they be sent back to paris? the uncertainty and hostile approach doesn't seem to deter those, trying to reach western europe. now the question is, how long can the situation go on? napoleon says there are thousands at the border on the bill, a routine site, and there are possibly over 10000 in by the roost. no, lucas shanker has said that he is willing to speak to the e u. but with this new round of sanctions, he's also threatened to retaliate even threatening to cut off gas to got traveling through his country. now i, d, u has already sanctioned a 166 individuals including lucas, shank and his son, and also 16 entities. and we'll have to see how broad these new sanctions. ah, but poland very much has used language that this is a, some sort of war that their security and independence and territorial integrity is under threat. but it seems like there is a push now or by the, you know, that they've dealt with the airlines flying into billers

s. lead intervention because poland, for instance, had about poland had a whole region in iraq under its control that you know, natal nature gave to the polish military. well, you know, to operate where to operate and to and well to, to conduct operations there. so this is what they're telling me. i'm excuse me. says you speak english. yes. there. so we have her. we have another person here who can share his thoughts on there. so tell me, tell me how you feel right now. the situation now is literally different, like, like the other week before, does the heart now is getting colder and colder is getting rough on us. so people want to go to europe or germany, or those you european countries, which they are accepting them. okay. we don't do any violence salvage us seeking us allen. people who are on from their homes because of what they're afraid afraid of their lives, their children, their lives, their moms, something is wrong. a lot of them, no one run from anything. if you are happy at your home, if you relax why you're running right and by the police borders, they don't all been. bu

will they be able to stay here in poland? move on to other european countries, or will they be sent back to belarus? the uncertainty and hostile approach doesn't seem to deter those, trying to reach western europe as at beg, i'll jazeera poland. russian president vladimir putin says he is ready to help resolve the crisis by the ruse as an ally of russia or cure. gilles is a senior consulting fellow of the russia and eurasia program. and chatham house says, it's not clear what the government of bella, luce and russia could be trying to achieve. neither of those 2 capitals have actually stated their demarc. they've not said what it is they actually want to achieve by triggering this process. now it could be that some of the most easy and obvious gains for both of them have already been negated because it might have assumed that it would be easy to split poland from the e u, and to divide the local. how to respond to this process and show within poland, which already had the argument with brussels. that actually the e was not co

will they be able to stay here in poland? move on to other european countries, or will they be sent back to paris? the uncertainty and hostile approach doesn't seem to deter those, trying to reach western europe. and as ed joins us live now from the border of poland in belarus, sas ed, at what do you seeing on the ground there? and those di conditions that migrants are facing was last night, we were alerted to the fact that 2 men had managed to cross the border and were deep in the forest at surrounds this area. now we headed to that location and we came across to syrian men. the activists had health and they were in freezing temperatures. very, very weak dehydrated. the activists had given them something to drink and had wrapped them in thermal blankets to keep them warm and medics were alerted, so they could give them medical attention. now i did manage to speak to them and they didn't speak much english. i communicated in arabic. there were 2 men from syria, from the city of homes. 2 brothers, one was 39 years old and the

it could happen again. 2020 and now it's happening in poland. but the main thing that i want to focus on is that once the media attention stops, what happens then, and what happens to those people and those people who will be trying to crowd because the movement will not stop. but will you put in the you, you being union be open to receiving them and that, respecting the you and refugee convention shabby. i am marianna, there was talking about the fact that it's, you know, the migrations is not going to stop and, and i wanted to bring up these latest numbers from the you and refugee agency when it comes to global displacement. it's talking about 84000000 actually in excess of 84000000 people is the number of refugees asylum seekers and internally displaced. as more people around the world fled violence insecurity and the effects of climate change in the 1st half of 2021. these numbers are staggering. ah, do you expect that the these numbers that the number of cases of people trying to flee disasters and violence are only gonna grow in the years