. ♪ >> to me, the best two female emcees to come out of the '90s are missy elliot and lauryn hill. ♪ been three weeks never called you again ♪ >> you see the role of women in hip-hop, is it changing? like yourself? >> something that's always been there. whether or not they got the, you know, the acknowledgement they should have, they've always been there. and just now maybe they'll truly be acknowledged. ♪ guys are only ♪ ♪ about that thing that thing that thing ♪ >> she sings, she raps. there's heartache involved. it's all encompassed in one amazing piece of art. >> "the miseducation of lauryn hill." >> with her record-breaking fifth grammy win, lauryn hill echoed what many might have been thinking. >> this is crazy, because this is hip-hop music. you know what i mean? >> she's going to be big, big -- well, she already is a big star. you get five grammys you are. >> a lot of people think she's going to really redefine the connections among hip-hop, pop, for everybody. ♪ hi kids do you like primus ♪ ♪ want to see me stick nine inch nails through each one of my eyelids

and someone like lauryn hill, for instance, has such a rich range of sounds that we call hip-hop but in another world we might call, you know, soul music or something like that. so there's really a combination of sounds and also aspects and points of view that i think people will be really enriched by, whether they know the music well or not. ms. givhan: and when you think about the moment that we're in now, i mean, how--director young, how would you describe the kind of conversation that hip-hop is having with the culture at large in this moment? mr. young: well, i think sometimes it's direct, and sometimes it's very topical, but sometimes it's also escape. you know, i think both are valid forms of reaction to our current moment. and i think if you look back at what black music has always provided to black folks, it's been that outlet of expression, sometimes of anger but sometimes coated anger, and sometimes of joy. and joy, as the poet, toi derricotte, reminds us, is an act of resistance. and that kind of resistance and joy that the song "happy" by pharrell, for instance, you know

. >> lauryn hill needed to be there. >> greg: i never listen to the fuji's. they are not my thing. >> there solid. the headline shouldn't be -- it should be ceo gets so bombed to gets on his shoulders. you know -- you know what they sang comedy? you don't open with her closer. nobody has this happened on the first drink of the night, you know what i mean? you don't open with let me get on your shoulders. but let me tell you why nobody is mad and why he's a hero, because he dropped the jaguars ceo and this time of year everybody hates the jaguar ceo because of those annoying commercials where you're unwrapping an old navy sweater or one sleeve is an arm longer than the other, that woman, some yep he is getting a jag wire the driveway and then those commercials you're just hoping she falls and breaks her neck out in the driveway. this was a little projection for all of us. [scattered applause] >> greg: i could tell you were nodding in agreement. >> this looks like an ice skating, you know, competition fiasco. you've got the olympic committee going this is a 4 -