further, kyrsten sinema on drug prices. she is further to the right than donald trump on prescription drug prices. of course, trump never got that through the republican congress, and i do not understand how she can be farther to the right than donald trump when it comes to negotiating drug prices, which would save the government money. that is in, the government. the only thing i can think out -- did she get some kind of lobbying contract with big pharma so that when she is out of congress, she can go work for lobbying firm for bid format? that is all i can think. i do not know why either of those two is farther to the right than the two republicans i mentioned. caller: -- guest: democrats are running into the political reality. the political reality is that they need every single one of those 50 democratic senators to vote yes. they need nearly all of the 200 plus democrats in the house because of those razor thin margins. they are operating in this tiny window. manchin and synema -- sinema believe they are representing t

the fact that that is not happening is firmly at kyrsten sinema's feet. the bill that is under consideration, we were talking about the kinds of things this caller bought up at his far as what i thought and many people thought were the kinds of directions we need to go in, a lot of that was just really halted by a couple really obstructionist centers, but it still does make some transformational changes. spending would be paid for by one of the key things is a surtax on people who make more than $10 million a year. it will help with rising inequality, but it is by no means the transformational tax policy changes that we all want. host: michael strain, i will have you respond to a tweet from ajay. he writes what role do you think the childcare shortage plays in the supply of labor and what solutions do you think or suggest for filling these critical jobs? michael: i think it plays a role and is an example of the concept that heidi and i were talking about earlier, how big a role does public policy play in the current state of the economy? i have a child at

kyrsten sinema and joe manchin. there have to be 50 republicans that are holding the line and don't matter at all. the bill is so radical that even really good democrats like joe manchin and kyrsten sinema unable to vote for it. that should be a message to people. they're nowhere near as moderate as they claim to be. at a time of economic uncertainty to do this type of unpopular spending package and adding summary problem which is not flying. >> harris: senator cruz had a whole list of these people who should be more moderate based on what they're always saying what they promised. he said they're nowhere to be found. do you think that joe biden ever thought that he would be talking about squad members and hostages? >> kayleigh: i think he did. >> harris: hostages politically. >> kayleigh: he is the hostage taker. when joe manchin says that you're not going to change his vote by holding it for structure hostage, the president of the united states' response over this. both times he went to the hill he was supposed to

sinema and joe manchin. arthel: david spunt live in wilmington, delaware, happy thanksgiving to you and your family. >> you to speak to the senate that hurtles the bill back better bill, the white house insisting it will lower cost for families and help millions. one house number that voted no, north carolina republican congressman ted body, a member of the house financial services committee and congressman joins us now. good to see you, no money and no spending could run the financial services committee, the federal budget the president said this a paper itself but you are the c.b.o. says i won't, what is your view? >> is $367 billion of unanticipated expenses that the democrats did not see you, they have been messaging for months that this would cost 0 but now we see the most expensive inflationary thanksgiving and history that this thing has got more uncontrolled spending which will drive up inflation even worse. it takes away the amendments which is kept taxpayers for decades prepaying for taxpayer-funde

kyrsten sinema likes kind of the initiatives to fight climate change. joe manchin doesn't like those initiatives. so the vote with these senators who are difficult to get over the line, they also have competing, different agendas. so if you ameliorate some of joe manchin's concerns, that might upset kyrsten sinema, so it's a balancing act where you have different priorities for different senators to get their vote, and how to you balance it all as you get all 50 democrat senators to vote on it. molly: i'm from west virginia, so it's fascinating to see how powerful our senators at least in recent history have been. i do want to hit the coronavirus, and you brought up the new variant, its potential impact on the economy and what that could mean for this build back better plan, for the hopes there, because it could be a conflicting situation, you know? you see a lot of fear in the economy that could change what people are willing to do when it comes to this new plan. so how big of an impact could it potentially have? >> yeah, i'll be interested to see what

[applause] >> please welcome senator kyrsten sinema. senator sinema: thank you. you know, you'll hear a lot today about what this historic legislation means for everyday americans. from better roads to stronger electric grids to cleaner water to faster internet in more places. our plan will create millions of jobs and make our country stronger, safer, and more globally competitive without raising taxes on everyday americans. you may have heard less about new policies in our bill that do not grab the same media attention but will make a big difference. states like arizona that are confronting historic droughts will see billions of dollars to strengthen water systems throughout the american west. communities will see historic investments to prevent and recover from wildfires. land ports of entry, key national security infrastructure, and commercial hubs will see major upgrades. and our bill makes significant investments in tribal communities' infrastructure, including all necessary funding to complete authorized indian water rights settlements. beyond historic fina

senate and two key figures in achieving that are moderates senator joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. what kind of arm-twisting and cajoling and meeting of the mirn minds are there. >> reporter: yeah. that's what lies ahead for democrats. the celebration of passage in the house is brief and momentarily because now he faces the tricky task of muscling the bill through the senate. it's expected that this bill will see changes in the senate in order to get all 50 democrats on board. that means some of the president's top priorities like paid family leave maybe on the chopping block. now, two of the key senators in this debate will be senator joe manchin and kyrsten sinema who have each expressed concerns about elements of the bill as well as the price tag. one issue they have is whether the price tag of this, $1m.9 trillion could contribute to inflation down the road but listen to leader chuck schumer. >> everybody knows the house did a very strong bill. everybody knows that manchin and sinema have their concerns, but we're going try to negotiate with them and get a very strong bold bill

and senator kyrsten sinema as well. is that fun? sen. manchin: there is nothing fun about it. i kept thinking -- because i was there in 2009 when they were doing the affordable care act. i kept thinking, if i was senator at that time and it came down to a swing vote, i think i could have made a difference there. i understood how it was delivered in the states. i understood people that could go without it and people who need it, but also people who could abuse it and take advantage of it. i thought there was a better way to do it. 10 years later, i found myself in a position in every vote. 50-50 senate. who would have thought it would come down to this? david: is it your view we should keep the current filibuster role? even for the voting rights bill you authored? sen. manchin: i watched the democrats use it against trump in a lot of things. we were able to stop things that did not make sense to us. how can we, two years ago, three years ago, 39 democratic senators led by our leader basically sign letters, please, mitch mcconnell, don't do away with the filibuster. all of a sud

larger than the parameters that manchin and kyrsten sinema had agreed to. so there are several positions that are being brace to get out of, [inaudible] congressional progressive caucus that he doubted that family leave would make it over the finish line in the senate version of the bill. so that has exposed him intraparty tensions here as they hack that out. although republicans are going through the same sort of tensions right now over issues not related to policy. >> so, barbara, let me get back to you for a second, over those text from kimberly guilfoyle. how important could they be to the january six committee? and are you surprised she's not been called yet? >> i am. and it could be that this information was not previously known about her. i think by bragging that she raised $3 million for this rally, she has indicted herself. to appear before that committee and testify. because i think it's a legitimate question to ask, what on earth is $3 million going to pay for? i think that to the extent that there is some relief that some of the people who storm

joe manchin and kyrsten sinema will determine what the bill looks like. there is a process for amendments and you can assure short -- be assured we will have a robust amendment process during the vote aroma -- vote -a-rama. the house knows as well that mansion -- manchin and sinema will write the bill. then, i would observe the challenging exercise for them. i'm glad it is. this is a bill america does not want or need. the ideal solution would be to not pass it, but if it is passed, it will be written by manchin and? /or sinema. >> paid family leave was popular. it does not seem like that will be in the final version. is there any version of the proposal republican senators would support or you would support? should i come up down the line sometime? sen. mcconnell: if i were the majority leader and we would set the agenda, that would be a good discussion to have, but we are not setting the agenda. we are reacting to what they are proposing and that seems challenging for them as well. >> how would you expected to score and how would that affect your progre

and that's what kyrsten sinema is talking to nancy pelosi about. so we've got bernie talking to joe and sinema talking to pelosi and jayapal may get her prescription drug benefit. this is coming together. the white house is confident. >> i don't know that i share their kconfidence. what do you make of it? >> manchin's comment comes at a time when, yes, democrats in general want to move forward but there was also negotiating still ongoing about things like prescription drug costs and allow -- >> right, bernie sanders and them were saying we're going to keep trying to push stuff into the bill. >> this creates pressure to not do anything that expands the bill which puts that prescription drug cost stuff in jeopardy or changes the bill substantially but also there's risk because if democrats feel pressure to try to work with manchin to make tweaks that perhaps make him more confident, then that could cause progressives and also voters to say, now it's watered down to the point, what's the point? >> take a listen to what senator manchin said in his stat

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you mention those two names joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, those folks are going to be pivotable to what's happening here, the christmas bear break starting december 13th, you realizing there's not a whole lot of time. here's what representative job all told us about negotiations with the democratic party. >> we work this out on our own, the president of course helped. this is really important to our discussion, but really this was about can we look each other in the eye and start to reestablish trust. because, that is going to be essential for everything else we need to do. >> but that reestablishing of trust is really difficult when members of congress don't even know with fellow members of congress want with this legislation. we saw this with ebi f, the bipartisan infrastructure framework negotiations where kyrsten sinema was negotiating directly with the white house not her fellow members, and her fellow members weren't sure where she even stood. it's one thing for us reporters to not know, but tell members need to know to have legislating have been properly. >> absolutely, how

joe manchin and kyrsten sinema will determine what the bill looks like. there is a process for amendments and you can ensure we will have a robust amendment process during the photo, but i think we all know, the house knows as well they are going to write the bill. then i would observe challenging exercise for them, i'm glad it is. this is a bill america does not want and does not need. the ideal solution would be to not pass it but if it is to pass, it will be written by mansion and/or cinema. yes? >> one of the most popular polling mind for the pay family leave, it doesn't seemed like i will be in the final version, is there any version of a paid family leave proposal for publican senators would support or you would support should it come up down the line? >> if i were the majority leader and we are setting the agenda, that would be a discussion to have but we are not setting the agenda, we are reacting to what they are proposing and that seems to be challenging for them as well. [inaudible] >> with your mask on, i'm having a hard time hearing. >> the w

we need joe mansion and kyrsten sinema and progressives, we need everybody. that's the reality of where we are. what the president did was he negotiated with senator sen ma, with senator mansion, i spoke with both and believe that the vast majority of this bill is preconferenced and that joe mansion will come along, kyrsten sinema will come along. it's the democratic agenda and most importantly, it is about humanity. it is about helping people to get what every other country in the world has on many of these things and it's about delivering on climate change, right? we just kale back from cop 26 and said the united states is committed to reducing carbon emissions, to being a leader in climate. this is the bill, joy. not the infrastructure bill. this is the bill that delivers on climate. so i think that i do feel very good about where we are. i can't say that that would have been the case six weeks ago. >> yeah. >> had we not held the line but what we got was we did get the infrastructure bill passed and we got the commitment that we would get this vote in the

jeff: in congress, he and pearson cinema -- kyrsten sinema do stand out. they may be speaking for more moderate members. maggie hassan in hampshire has a tough reelection. she a not want the spotlight. there are house members. no surprise that josh gottheimer is one of the more vocal moderates from new jersey, seeing what happened with the close governor's race. it is not just joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, but in particular, senator manchin seems to be comfortable with the spotlight. jonathan: let us go to a virginia democrat, abigail spanberger who said, nobody elected him to be fdr. they elected him to be normal. there is a view outside of washington. what we have witnessed has been massive overage. does that resonate? jeff: that does resonate with moderate democrats. the issue with democrats is that they have to please both sites. you have moderates saying this needs to be not excessively ambitious. this needs to be paid for. we need to address concerns about inflation, they need significant wins as well. they need abigail spanberger and joe manchin t

kyrsten sinema embodied that. she is criticized by the left and the right to get bipartisan agreements. that's what she should be noticed for. i don't care wears a clown costume on the senate floor if she's going to live up to what the senate should be. in today's age seems kind of rare. people retreat into their partisan corners, which is the easiest thing to do. what she does is brave and good for the country. i totally agree with the female senators coming out in her defense. it is pure sexism. >> could you care or not care if she or anyone else, male or female, would wear a clown costume? >> maybe not. but i'm there for a denim vest. >> you have a line. alissa, thank you so much. >>> disturbing new details on the suv that plowed through the christmas parade in waukesha, wisconsin. we are now learning where the suspect is coming from. >>> plus, looters ransacking a louis vuitton store. it's the ultimate sleep number event on the sleep number 360 smart bed. it senses your movements and automatically adjusts to r

i am not even talking about senator kyrsten sinema here, who may bring yet a whole different set of issues to the table. manu raju is outfront. so, manu, what does this mean? these developments for the fate of president biden's sweeping economic agenda and as i said, that so-called build back better plan that he has staked so much political capital on? >> yeah, lot of questions about whether the bigger bill can even get out of the united states senate. one senator can defect and derail the whole thing. joe manchin's making clear he could vote no. he is not anywhere near where the democratic leaders wanted to be. where the white house wants him to be. despite months of painstaking negotiations to court him behind this bill. now, that is uncertain. what happens to larger bill is uncertain. separately, the infrastructure bill seems more and more likely to become law and potentially within days. that's because the progressives in the house have now indicated that they will not hold that bill hostage and demand that manchin and kyrsten sinema both say that they will support the larger plan. the

kyrsten sinema has resisted what a lot of liberals wanted. but the liberals and kyrsten sinema and the house have agreed to let medicare negotiate a handful of drugs including cancer, insulin. still the question is, can they get the votes, can they get that out of the house and will joe manchin be there at the end of the day? this comes, too, as the separate infrastructure bill, $1.2 trillion, they plan to put that on the house floor at the same time. progressives say they'll vote for both bills. essentially assuring that joe biden will likely get one legislative victory. the question is, can he get a second much bigger bill? >> let's go to the president's confidence that, as he said, joe will be there, speaking of senator manchin. if the fine details he's expecting will be in that bill, he did not expect, based on the framework released last week, playing on a potential deal for negotiating prescription drug prices. just reconcile what we heard from the president on his degree of confidence in joe manchin being there and what joe manchin has

senator kyrsten sinema is the chair of the subcommittee hearing. >> i call the hearing to order. [

we heard right before senator portman, we heard from moderate democrat kyrsten sinema of arizona. we'll talk about the selection of that senator to speak today in just a moment, but david, we interrupted your take on the significance of the moment. i think portman's remarks, even the remarks from senator sinema drive it home that this is funding that the american people will see in action in their communities. >> yeah, you know, i think lost in the sausage making is the fact that this is the largest infrastructure bill we've seen in generations. larger than the interstate highway bill, larger than that i think in the space program combined, and it's long overdue. this country really needs this bill because we're way behind in infrastructure repairs and modernization, so it's really historic from that standpoint and also clearly note worthy because it's so difficult to get republicans and democrats to work together on anything, and sadly, what we saw were 13 republicans in the house supported this bill for the reasons we just said and were attacked by many of their colleagues, and

and also, to a lesser degree now, senator kyrsten sinema of arizona, who has had concerns with the revenue increases the democrats have put into pay for spending, including proposals for raising taxes on corporations. so, they have worked hard, democratic leadership, to address those concerns, but now what we will probably see is big changes, or at least small changes, to the bill in order to try to win the votes of the senators. and as a final wildcard, you have a change that was made in the house to the state and local tax deduction, which really upset senator bernie sanders of vermont. so the left wing of the party, essentially there is a tax cut for higher earners tucked into the bill in the house, and may change in the senate. host: the president has had a big win with the signing of the infrastructure bill, so why is it important to his economic agenda to have this $2 trillion social spending measure as part of that? guest: if you back up think about president biden's mission for the economy, he's passed a couple bills to advance things, but it is not complete. the first was to shore

sinema will hold the line and are there other democrats that the vote no on that "build back better" plan that is headed to the senate senator? >> every day that passes, there are more democrats that have more questions. and the cbo score when they came out said well it is 367 billion, and new -- over five years, so joe biden math is totally wrong on this bill you are looking at nearly a trillion dollars worth of debt if they were to pass this, but what they are intent on doing is taking being one vote, and with that one vote, they would push forward their woke the socialist agenda give control of children's educating, the green new deal, account of your bank account and small business this is where they are trying to go. maria: is there anything you want to say about kamala harris, she was given the role of acting president when joe biden got a colonoscopy last week. >> i think when you look at what she has done, she has failed at every task given that is why there are many in white house so frustrated with her, it is going to be interesting to see who they push forward to take her

they know kyrsten sinema is going to be difficult. sinema is worried about taxes always and manchin the spend side. the challenge for the white house has always been a sinema solution isn't necessarily a manchin solution. they think they have sinema sort of solved but they have to figure out how to get manchin there and manchin when you read that statement he made last week on the release of the strategic petroleum oil reserve, it was so clear he was so frustrated about so many other things, a warning sign. >> he's back at home in west virginia, often hears a lot of complaints from some of his constituents when he's there. i expect we see a few manchin and sinema sightings at the white house this week. join us back here every sunday at 8:00 a.m. and weekday at noon. up nih director francis collins and arkansas governor asa hutchinson. thank you for sharing your sunday morning with us. you get more with aarp medicare advantage plans from unitedhealthcare. like $0 copays on tier 1 and tier 2 prescription drugs. ♪ wow! ♪ ♪ uh-huh.

kyrsten sinema had some issues with the prescription drug negotiations, but they seem to have worked out a deal she feels comfortable with. but there is a long way to go before they can get to this. so all the attention is this so further down the road it's got to come back to the house so we'll do this all over again, but, again -- >> practice. >> a big step. >> a big step. and climate provisions there, more than half a trillion dollars, that was a big subject of discussion at the g-20 because that's central to the u.s. commitment. >> reporter: right. >> kaitlan collins with us. this is a big day for the white house. the president at walter reed getting his annual physical and a colonoscopy, but they'll have a lot to celebrate in this moment. this is a big deal for president biden and the white house. >> reporter: one thing we should note is that this is a bill that the white house is expecting would pass the house last night. but then of course kevin mccarthy delivered that 8 1/2-hour speech. instead of this bill passing late at night, of course, when not a lot of people were payin

joe manchin and kyrsten sinema are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. you are not just a senator or representative for the estate, you are that the country and they know these bills are going to harm america because we are not going to be able to pay them or it will put us in a bind or there won't be social security in 2026 and they are doing the right thing. people say child care, child care. well, there's pre-k. there's all kinds of programs for children. many daycare's get paid to keep children. they just don't tell you the truth. they put the triggers in their to make people want to buy into what they are doing without telling them the truth. host: dana, flint, michigan, good morning. caller: i want to raise a red flag. russia is still involved in the elections. i have seen the polls on tv that are just ridiculous. our cable, comcast? trump called it con cast last year. women's, as women, blacks, gays, discriminated against. the channels i cannot get, the movie networks, the other networks, we just need to, we need to do some recounting on the votes

one of the sticking points is the signoff moderate senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. lauren fox is on capitol hill this morning. we know one of the things progressives are working on is to get drug pricing reform, further medicare expansion into that spending package. where are we in terms of negotiations, lauren? >> reporter: the most significant development over the weekend, progressives arguing they are ready to move ahead with both a vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill and that larger social safety net package. that is significant. over the course of the last several weeks, that has been one of the key drivers for why biden didn't have something to deliver when he went abroad. now, one of the other question marks is what is going to be included in this larger spending bill. there are items of course that had been left on the table and a couple of things democrats are trying to negotiate. one of them like you pointed out is prescription drugs and i'm told that house speaker nancy pelosi had a conversation with arizona moderate senator kyrsten sinema over the

intensive diplomacy with both kyrsten sinema of arizona, joe manchin of west virginia. i think the obstacles to enactment of this bill are not as great as they're sometimes described. most of this bill has been agreed to already. there are going to be changes in the senate. it is likely that manchin will insist on, for example, the paid leave provisions coming out of this bill. but in a very substantial form resembling what passed the house today, i think it is highly likely that passes the senate, both democratic leaders in the senate and white house officials are confident that they've got those 50 votes prepared to go. that doesn't mean there won't be some skirmishing at the end and some back-and-forth. anytime you've got zero margin for error, any single person can hold it up. but i think the expectation is that joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, the two most obvious holdouts, are not going to hold it up for all that much, and this is likely to pass either before christmas or soon after that. >> all right. we shall see. john harwood, thank you, sir. i appreciate you jo

how confident are you that joe manchin and kyrsten sinema will hold the line. are there other democrats will vote no? on the bill back better plan that is headed to the senate? >> every day that passes, there are more democrats that have more questions. the c.b.o. score when they came out and said it is 367 billion in new debt, deficit spending over five years. joe biden is totally wrong on this bill. you're looking at nearly a trillion dollars worth of debt if they were to pass this but what they are intent on doing is taking one vote. with the one vote they would push forward their woke socialist agenda that would give the federal government control of your kids and education of healthcare, it would force the green new deal and give them control of your bank account, your small business. this is where they are trying to go. maria: is there anything that you want to say about kamala harris, she was given the role of acting president when joe biden got his colonoscopy last week? >> when you look at what she has done, she has failed every task that she has been

arizona senator kyrsten sinema has gotten about 100,000, and new jersey senator robert menendez has taken in nearly $80,000. i'm curious what message that sends? >> bottom line is i'm supporting a price negotiation bill that has been worked out. what i've said since the very beginning of the discussion, how do we ensure that consumers at the counter get relief. >> reporter: new jersey is home to a number of pharmaceutical companies. all three of these lawmakers say they support this compromise, adding it will save billions. norah? >> kris van cleave, thank you. the "cbs overnight news" will be right back. spray, lift, skip, step. swipe, lift, spin, dry. slam, pan, still...fresh move, move, move, move aaaaand still fresh. degree. ultimate freshness activated when you move. don't settle for products that give you a sort-of white smile. try crest whitening emulsions... ultimate freshness ...for 100% whiter teeth. its highly active peroxide droplets... ...swipe on in seconds. better. faster. 100% whiter teeth. shop crestwhitesmile.com. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? n

if leslie thinks that the credit problem is that joe manchin and kyrsten sinema have not gone for far enough to the left, they will lose every race they are engaged in for democrats to would not have a mandate. it is not a popular piece of legislation. when the polling came back from fox news saying that the economy was number one issue and democrats are out there saying we are going to raise taxes, good luck, democrats, keep doing that! that is not how you grow the economy. ciattarelli was out there talking about choice, schools, freedom, liberty. made all the right choices. you know what? we had a strong hispanic on the ballot in virginia, a strong african-american on the ballot, had a strong of an editorial candidate, plus the house of delegates. it's a winning formula. >> plus five for the g.o.p. in the house of delegates and as you mentioned, historic wins for african-americans and hispanics in the commonwealth. thank you as always, we appreciate it. more from you folks later. i just have to say it, this is one of the best nights of the year because is what democracy is all about

and talks are continuing in the upper chamber between kyrsten sinema, one of the key senators who is holding the process up, as well as other more progressive senators. so, it looks like something that will get movement, at least on lowering the cost of prescription drugs. it might be a scaled-back plan than what bernie sanders had initially proposed, it may cover not as many drugs as was in the original plan, but it seems like there are some tweaks that could be happening in these next 48 hours or so. they leadership, they have told democrats, look, if you want any changes to president biden's package, you need to move now and quickly. that's why you are seeing the flurry of activity happening, including kirsten gillibrand on the senate floor last week, who had basically cornered it joe manchin and was trying to twist his arm to get him to agree to some form of bringing back paid family leave into the build back better proposal. these conversations are happening throughout the congress, through text message and over the phone, and in person in many cases. it's crunch time for the de

moderate democrats joe manchin and kyrsten sinema oppose parts of the plan as well as the price tag. let's bring in tara westwood, politics and investigative reporter for for the washington examiner. let's start with the state of play first. how fierce of a battle can we expect next week, and what items are the in the bill are at the center of the debate? >> yeah, i think this could definitely be a more difficult journey for the bill now that's it's in the senate, and you have senators like bernie sanders who are not happy that the state and local tax deduction cap was lifted in the house. they think that is essentially a tax break to the rich, that's something that blue statehouse members wanted in the bill. and then in the more centrist end of the spectrum, joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, as you mentioned, they're still objecting to the price tag. and if you're joe manchin, you have at point very little incentive to cave. you have patiently waited while in the house warring factions in the democratic party sort of worked this out, but now you look at your approval ratings, you're l

guest: he is the man of the hour right now with kyrsten sinema in arizona. joe manchin i have to say has been a pretty good job on the opioid front there was a new opioid develop called terminal and it's very strong and is still available today, i know because my mom was prescribed it and it made her feel awful and i told her to stop it. the schedule and the restrictions he was an adamant supporter of the we got this infrastructure bill with a talk on the airwaves either is been a strong advocate for anything related curbing substance abuse disorders in helping bring money to the state for treatment. host: i want to go back to mary in jackson, she said she is seeing it along all socioeconomic lines from top to bottom. i think that was mary in jackson that said that. guest: yeah, here in west virginia we all know somebody that has died of a drug overdose and that means kids of doctors and mayors and kids of lawyers down to people that aren't as fortunate. it does not discriminate by how much money you make, this is something the thing that really hits home, w

senator joe manchin and senator kyrsten sinema are not outliers in the democratic party. they are, in fact, the very heart of the democratic party, given that 53% of democrats classify themselves as moderates or conservative. you can't dismiss a clear electoral trend, the flight from the democrats was disproportionately in the suburbs and the idea that these home owning child rearing tax paying voters just want more progressive candidates is not a sustainable one. guy, that's pretty clear but if you look at aoc's tweets or other members of the squad, they say the reason terry mcauliffe lost was he wasn't progressive enough. >> that's the consensus among progressive twitters broadly which seems to be driving so much of the conversation at the elite level in our politics, including at the white house. we are seeing a dominance of progressive twitter right now which is not serving the administration political ends very well. i think it's safe to say. by the way, the quote that you played from the white house deputy press secretary saying that we're confident that our policie

my friend joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, i do communicate with them. they will do what they think is best and that's part of the legislative process. >> the original goal was to move legislation that that everybody agrees to. some say it's important to pass the build back better bill in the house because then you can go to the constituents and say i voted for these measures. do you agree with that approach? >> we agreed we would not pass this bill without 50 votes in the senate. you can ask what happened in virginia. i want to see some points scored that are important to the american public. build back better is very important and the bipartisan bill that's been held hostage. that have you had have passed a long time ago. building our roads, bepenned, an easy win that terry mcauliffe and others wished they would have seen. this is what we're facing right now and hopefully we can pass boat of them. part of my job, some things should have been mod rated. what senators are doing over there which is moderating what we're looking at. the final product is go

pete buttigieg was out in arizona promoting it with kyrsten sinema. sinema wants the credit she feels she deserves for helping push the infrastructure bill through. we know they're going to be working and talking to him behind the scenes with how the white house has been addressing this. you should vote for the reconciliation plan for trying to address it. >> mike memoli and julie tsirkin, thank you so much. >>> for more on this, let's bring in our political panel. joe walsh is a former congressman who ran for the 2020 presidential nomination. good morning to both of you. so, emily, how big is this for democrats? we heard julie talking about some of the sticking points. what do you think is going to stay, and what do you think is going to have to go? >> this is huge for democrats. so much support the democrats got. they wanted to see something -- they wanted to see effectiveness. they wanted to see democrats pass something that will help regular people, and that is a ton of what's in the build back better plan. it's paid leave, child care, home care v

we will be watching the vote tonight and we will see what joe manchin and kyrsten sinema have to say. by the way, reince, you could have written "the chief's chief," you were a chief before mark was chief, and mark beat you to it so i don't know what that means but i will let you guys fight it out and figure it out. >> i'm waiting for my day to write my big book. >> sean: oh, great. just don't mention my name. i mentioned in every other book. guys, good to see you both. >> a chapter on mark meadows. >> sean: oh, okay, can't wait to read it. by the way, mark's book is coming out if you want a first edition copy go to amazon.com. it will be in bookstores soon. when we come back, the left and the media have peddled countless lies about kyle rittenhouse. we are going to give you the most egregious examples as miranda devine and leo 2.0 terrell will join us. we are glad you are with us. ♪ ♪ >> sean: and tonight we continue to monitor the house floor, where a vote on biden's build back new green deal socialist spending bill is expected to happen within minutes now. we will bring it to y

he appears to be letting joe manchin and kyrsten sinema run the whole country. that is where people are frustrated. it's a year ago tomorrow that the guy beat donald trump. i mean, he dropped 11 points in a couple of years. it sort of drags down every other democrat running across the country right now because when they look to their leader in the white house, he doesn't seem to be handling things as aggressively. >> if congress had passed both bills, if they were signed, done and dusted and people started feeling deliverables would this race be different. if donald trump had come to richmond or virginia beach or fairfax county and done his usual two-hour outdoor riff on behalf of the candidate, would this race be different now? yes to both of those. that was kind of the environment mr. mcauliffe was hoping for to be honest. he was hoping that the democrats in the house and senate would get at least one of these legislative packages done, particularly the one where you had 19 republicans sign off on the roads and bridges infrastructure bill and the fact that the

but the problem with that is arizona senator kyrsten sinema, who this weekend told "the washington post" that she won't allow that and her saying no alone means effectively all voting rights progress, all voting rights protections are blocked because of her. and so that standstill on the issue has led to warnings like this stark one that we got today, warning that our democracy is in peril if we don't do something to course correct. the political scholars like that are not the only people who are making noise on this issue. i want to tell you about something else going on tonight that you may or may not have known about before tonight, but it's a serious thing. radio host and civil rights activist joe madison, who has been around forever, he is a sort of giant in the field of talk radio, he's known as the black eagle, joe madison is on his 15th day of a hunger strike for voting rights. mr. madison is in his 70s, 15 days without food being a serious thing. he says he will not eat solid food until congress passes and president biden signs voting rights protections. he is a 72-year-old man

moderates like kyrsten sinema and joe manchin, there's also on the other hand bernie sanders who has concerns about the state and local tax deductions. the white house has insisted president biden will remain engaged with each of the lawmakers throughout the process. there have been conversations with senior white house officials and those senators and their teams as they are hoping to get in bill across the finish line and make those campaign promises that president biden made in 2020, turn them into reality. >> daniela on excapitol hill, what's next? >> reporter: now that the house has passed the bill, this is the first step of the long process that is passing the second part of joe biden's domestic agenda. now it goes to the senate where they are likely going to pare back this bill because of what ark what joe manchin, a moderate democratic senator wanting to bring the price tag down. the house version of the bill included a paid leave, a provision that senator joe manchin says he does not support. and he's critical of climate provisions in this bill, $500 billion in the house ver

dionne, are you similarly reassured that kyrsten sinema is onboard? >> i am. and in fact, on this show with lawrence a couple weeks back congresswoman jayapal spoke of a very productive meeting she'd had with sinema. sinema that moment wasn't ready to say she was going to vote for this thing. but you've lot of people in and around the white house that when she sat down with them, she was actually serious about negotiating. i think after a very long and complicated journey, she seems to want to land with the rest of the democrats on this. and let's face it. this is half the size, roughly, of what they had hoped for. the progressive democrats have gone a long way to reassure manchin and sinema by giving them a bill the size they said they wanted. >> that's interesting. time will tell. we'll find out maybe this time next week whether you're right. e.j., thank you for joining us tonight. >> great to be with you. >>> coming up, less than two weeks away from thanksgiving, and covid cases are on the rise in the north. are we in for another pandemic winter? that's nex

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