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cnn senior governor john kasich and thanks so much for joining us. glen youngkin will have to navigate this uncertain relationship with donald trump in the years to come from a former governor to a future governor, what's your advice to him? >> just do your job. it will be sitting around worried about whether donald trump likes you or not. you have issues you have in virginia. put the politics aside. you can't calculate where you want to be or where you want to go, just do your job and if it works out the next job will come along, and by the way, wolf, i do want to welcome you back to the united states and i guarantee you the pope wanted to see you more than you wanted to see biden because the pope knows where you are. >> not so sure about that. >> with youngkin's success, governor, specific to this particular race in virginia or do you think it could be replicated by other republican candidates across the country. >> you know, wolf. i think we all know what happened. the republicans were fired up and part of the reason why they were fired up was bec

kasich. gloria, not only did congresswoman boebert refuse to publicly apologize but she actually doubled down in that twitter video accusing congressman omar of sympathizing with terrorists. this is so outrageous. >> it is. you just keep waiting for an adult to enter the room and to tell her that she cannot do this, that she does not represent what the republican party ought to be. that adult ought to be mr. kevin mccarthy who happens to be the leader of the republicans in the house and instead he remains silent. he met with her privately, spoke with her privately, told her she needed to apologize. she tried to do that. obviously she has no sense wof what that means. this continues and is going to continue unabated until a grown up steps in and says, we're going to ostracize you. we're going to tell you, you can't do your job here because this is not who we are. and we haven't heard that. >> governor kasich, the congresswoman omar responded, saying this part, and i am quoting now, this is not

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i want to go now to robert, the labor secretary under former president clinton and john kasich, former republican governor of ohio. secretary rice, let me start with you. look. this is not the way anybody thought this day was going to go. it's not the way maybe even congresswoman jayapal thought this day like this would go, right? she is on the record, days ago, it's the president's agin da and his word is son the line. i have got to trust him. she repeated it, again and again. and yet, tonight, even with that direct plea, he called her. she is not willing to do it. is that the right thing? or is this going to be a puric victory? >> erin, look, this is a matter of timing. i mean, you know what they say about sausage. and legislation. i mean, this is -- this is how things are done in washington. there is going to be some friction over what comes exactly when. and i think it's a gross exaggeration to think that this is somehow a humiliation for joe biden. obviously, the -- >> secretary rice, though, i have to say this is not how things are normally done. i mean, normally, it does fwget t

i want to bring in now our senior commentator, john kasich, the former mayor of new orleans as well, good evening. you guys are often late, we have to fill time until you can get to the podium to give your victory speeches or your concession speeches and we're waiting for phil murphy to do the same as we have projected him to remain the governor of new jersey. good evening to both of you. john, it's really a tight race in new jersey. no one saw that coming. murphy is declaring victory tonight, but this has to have republicans excited for their chances going forward to have come this close, look, maybe it's what the future holds or maybe it's just a race or two races. who knows, but what do you think of that? >> well, first of all, don, i listened to your opening, and i can't disagree with any of it. you and i often disagree, but we didn't disagree on this tonight. and new jersey is kind of shocking to me, but you know, virginia's also something we just can't write that off as well. i think what's happened is the republicans have greater intensity. the democrats have -- they've been l

and we are waiting for his victory speech as i speak with john kasich and mitch landrieu here. go ahead, john. >> mitch, here is the thing. people are always for those things, until they realize they have to pay for them. so, let's just take medicare. you know it. i know it. and many americans know that it's kind of ricketty and now they want to add benefits to it. or if you take the child-tax credit. if they had broken that out and worked with the republicans, which is what biden promised to do, if he had worked with republicans and taken pieces of this and that's -- i don't think they are going to do that. i think they are going to jam this thing through. it isn't going to be fully paid for and i'm not sure it's going to revive them. >> but -- but, john -- but, john -- >> to that point, mitch, let me just say because i think this will help -- help make your point or i'm not sure. virginia democratic congresswoman abigail spanberger spoke to "the new york times" about the president's agenda and this is what she said and i quote. nobody elected him to be fdr. they elected him t

[applause] >> have you asked john kasich how he feels? >> i don't talk to john. [laughter] we don't talk anymore. believe it or not, he was a lot more difficult to deal with #if you can believe it. >> to capture the youth of america, it seems we need to express values in a way that's funny, hip and cool. we talked about early, jimmy kimmel, steve colbert and it seemed like the fox network embraces the gap betweenns paris and the rest of you in the young conservative media, is that something we can look forward to seeing more of with you young conservativeis voices? [applause] >> being conservative is cool. cool when you are 80 and cool when you are 19 because you have the facts on your side and you are unafraid and that's always the renegade attitude in this country. the risktakers, the pioneers, loudmouthed, the jokester's. people are pointing at you. [laughter] so the people willing to put themselves out there and say things that could be controversial about those people have always been involved in comedy. comedy is when you push that edge and you can't push t

. >> have you asked john kasich how he feels about backing biden? >> i don't talk to john. [laughter] i have nothing against john personally but we don't talk anymore. he used his fill-in for or rally when o'reilly was out in believe it or not he was a lot more difficult to deal with than bill. if you can believe it. >> hi jesse. to capture the youth of america it seems like we need to express conservative values in a way that is funny hip and cool. if you look at like we talked about early jimmy kimmel steve colbert and it seems like the fox network is embracing this idea between pirates and the rest of you with the award young conservative media and is that something to look forward to seeing more of with younger conservative voices? [applause] it being conservative is cool. it's cool when you are 80 and it's cool when you were 19 because you have the facts on your side. and you are unafraid and that has always been a renegade out -- attitude of this country the risktakers the pioneers the loudmouths, the jokesters. it's pretty important to you. so the people that are wil

. >>> let's discuss with john kasich, and contributor for cnn. governor kasich, it's been nearly 24 hours since these remarks have surfaced war your thoughts on this? should they be condemning this? they all believe in the same thing, love god, which creates humility for people, and love your neighbor, or help your neighbor the way you would want your neighbor to love our help you. jim, what's happened in our has lost favor. as a result, people see each other sort of too much of the time like widgets. for a woman to make this kind of statement means she's ignoring the fact we're all made in the image of god. we all deserve respect. we don't deserve attacks. people who laugh at this, they don't understand what faith is all about. we wonder in this country why there's so much fighting, why there's so much name-calling. not just in politics about across the board. it's because people have lost sight of how important religion is, in terms of guiding individual behavior, and it's not about the negatives. it's about the positives. so the idea that some

john kasich asked me to go on budget when he took over a chair of the budget committee. so we balanced the budget for the first time in a generation. there were some great history happening. i'm digressing to a female story. i was on education and labor. and then a proponent for family and medical leave. in the republican party. and i remember john boehner, at the time, he was eloquently waxing on how government should not be telling businesses what to do and that this was up to the boards and the chairman of the board and they should be able to make their own policies. and he should be able to -- and he just went on. and i said, i totally agree with you, that in a perfect world, that the boards and the businesses should be able to make these decisions. but based on your own discussion, where you consistently referred to the people in power as he, i think until then we have to help out a bit. [laughs] and good for boehner, because he did not get mad at me. he took it in the spirit in which it was intended. that was one of those moments where i'm not sure -- i'm not sure

and you get john kasich, this is the water i know. i had s.e. cupp on saying this is the party i know. i feel like i'm on an island. you have charlie dent on saying this is the party i know. >> they're also not in office. >> yeah. >> find me some people in office who are saying this isn't the party i know. you got two of them, and one of them just got kicked out of her state party and the other is not running again. >> and she is going to have a tough time. maybe lose the election. >> when you don't belong to your party anymore within your state, yeah, you're going have a tough time. but look, opposition is a legitimate position. >> it is. >> i'm telling you this, this two-party system doesn't work anymore. we need more parties that have real funding and that get seats so that they have seats a the table and they reflect the ideological spectrum. we have more people who say they're independent than democrat or republican. >> it doesn't work anymore -- it would work if you had sense. you know, when someone says -- >> this is what works. >> when s

and get back to the sort of john kasichs of the world and mitt romneys and others. there are a lot of people in the republican party who would like to restore the sort of old fashioned party, if i might call it that. >> and you may do that. all right, david gergen. elliot williams. we remember that republican party. it did exist, for our younger viewers. >> it did. just buried colin powell. he was with the republicans that broke off. >> you're right about that. david, elliot, thank you so much. appreciate it. >>> still to come, more than 90 lawsuits have been filed after the deadly crowd surge in houston. where are we in terms of that investigation? what are we learning about the investigation as friends and family say their final good-byes? you're live in the cnn newsroom. next up, carvana. oh, boy. carvana just doesn't seem to understand how the test drive works. they give their customers seven days. and if they don't like it, they give 'em their money back. wait, they take the car back? that's crazy! what if it was driven by like a zookeeper? or a mud wrestler? o

kasich. gloria, americans have certainly gone through nearly two years now of the covid pandemic and now they're facing these higher prices heading into the holidays. you feel like people just can't get a break right now? >> yeah, absolutely. it's been a long couple of years, woclf, and i feel like te white house feels like it can't get a break either. they feel like the good news they've brought to the american people like increasing jobs, higher wages, stock market surging, is being overtaken by inflation, which they had said was temporary. it doesn't appear to be that way. so now they have to have a recalibration about how they talk about this to the american public and what they're going to do about it. z >> governor kasich, how much political pressure does this put on president biden right now? >> well, you know, wolf, when you think about inflation and gloria's right. this is something that affects people every day. you go to fill up your car with gasoline, you look at the price of what

former republican ohio governor john kasich, and stewart te stevens. thank you for being on the program. do both of you believe that in this system, with our two parties, toxic as it is, that government can work? governor kasich? >> absolutely it can work. but government really usually needs to be a last resort, not a first resort because of the bureaucracy connected to it. i agree with much of what you said, and i've been saying for months now they need to pass the infrastructure bill. i mean, forget this build back better whatever it is. pass the infrastructure bill. take it to the house. if the progressiving es won't v for it, then bitden goes to the republicans. on the build back better bill, manchin just said it. i saw a scroll just before i came on the show -- break that big package up into things that people can understand. i mean, people do care about a child tax credit. they do care about family leave. break it up. don't shove it all through. figure out how you'll pay for it. and then also, in the group think inside the white house, you have t

also with us, the former ohio governor, john kasich. and cnn's chief political analyst, gloria borger. jeffrey, how important are these witnesses going to be as the committee tries to piece together the events that led to january 6th? >> well, they're very important, but i think the odds of the committee hearing from any of them are remote. what jumps out about these six is none of them worked for the government so none of them should be in a position even to claim executive privilege for protecting their conversations, but like bannon, they are likely to refuse to testify because they are all trump loyalists. but look what's happened to steve bannon. yes, the house referred him for contempt to the justice department, but the justice department has been dithering since october 21st doing nothing, allowing bannon to run out the clock and it certainly seems like this six will follow a very similar pattern and this committee cannot last forever. the fact that they will go to court means that they will be able, it seems to me, to run out th

kasich. governor, what goes through your mind hearing meadows suggest a that former president trump should be the speaker if the republicans become the majority after the midterm elections in the house? you were once a member of the house. >> i think he hit the nail on the head when he said meltdown. i mean, this is just so crazy. as i watch everything happening down there, which is a fact that the republicans did not condemn gosar for his cartoon favoring the execution of aoc and i'm trying to figure out, wolf, as i like to do streaming sometimes with my wife, can you say what is happening in washington, is it sci-fi? is it fantasy? maybe it's a horror film. you pick the category. you know? but it is just nuts. it goes on and on in the house of representatives and to some degree when we see the senate beginning to back candidates who donald trump was for, it looks like he is still running so much of the republican party. as to whether that remains in terms of the pinnacle of his power, yet t

kasich from ohio. but is there enough material to stretch the tent without breaking it, especially if biden isn't part of the picture in 2024? so as of today, do we have a sense of the answers to the questions that you are posing? >> yeah, so ayman, we don't have an absolute question to president biden. he said he is planning to run for reelection. there's a lot of wiggle room in that term "planning to run." and to me, this does kind of like play out on the midterm elections. often if a president's party doesn't do all that well, you end up having the next elections, and saying that, hey, i got the message from voters, we're going to run against the out of control republicans in control of congress. but if president biden doesn't run for reelection, that can throw things off that normal kind of pattern. >> nbc's mark murray, we'll let you attend to that beeping sound, i'm not sure if that's coming from your end or not. >> i think it's the oven, ayman. >> dinner is ready, go enjoy, my friend. nbc's mark

. >> outfront now, robert rooiche and john kasich who served in congress as chairman of the house budget committee. great to have you back on and to have you on together. so let's talk about inflation because it is a crucial issue for americans as the president points out, secretary, and consumer prices we now know surging at the fastest pace in 31 years and even those who say it is temporary say it is going to continue for many months. and of course, it has been going on now for months, already. um, so what can biden actually do about it? at some point, temporary becomes, you know, more than that. >> well, there are unlimited number of things he can do, erin. one, he can try to open up some of the supply bottlenecks at america's ports, for example. train and make available more truckers. i mean, in other words, he can go around piece by piece where there just are these bottlenecks and try to open them up and he is trying to do that. the second thing he can do is try to reduce some of the most significant consumer cost items, like prescription drugs, for example. i mean, if in fact that

john gets all excited, governor kasich. he goes much longer than he's supposed to. he runs right into my time. i'm up against the hard out. in california, 8:00, 11:00 done, done, done. if she's in the middle of the speech, she's done. we're cutting off at 11:00. so i get there. governor whitman can only say, "and now susan molinari for the keynote speech." i get out there and the prompters, i can't see the prompters. so i do have my written, but there's that moment that you're like, really? you lose it. for a second, i think should i say, we're having technical difficulties, we're going to take a five-second break. i can't do that. while i'm thinking of these things, i've started the speech. it was what it was. to this day, every time my dad sees john kasich on tv, he'll say, i'll never forgive him. again, what an amazing honor to be a keynote speaker and a keynote speaker for bob dole. i loved working with senator dole on so many issues. and there's a guy -- i got to know him because we worked closely together on several pieces of legislation. me as a freshman legi