i love darpa. >> what do you see the end user being? let's say you have as many of these in the world as tesla does cars. so, i mean, in the case of tesla, we're talking about an upper middle class person, but not crazy rich, who can afford such a thing. is that about where that market fit is going to be? >> we want to build everyday flight for everyone, okay? and that means it can't be as expensive as a helicopter. helicopters cost 10, 20, 50 bucks per mile. a car costs 50 cents per mile. we want to be at 30 cents per mail. we want to be a faster, safer, and lower cost transportation so entire cities at some point will swap over. when a city swaps over, you all of a sudden realize how much space is being used for roads. more than half of any city is roads and garages and driveways that you won't need anymore. all of a sudden you can have a booming real estate business using those areas for people that are currently reserved for cars. >> you have a number of competitors who are working on the same sort of thing. but you've also got a gr

spend a half-century in public service, and later, we will talk with stephanie thompkins, director of darpa. let's start with secretary gates, welcome back. good to see you. mr. gates: thank you, great to see you.

spend a half-century in public service, and later, we will talk with stephanie thompkins, director of darpa. let's start with secretary gates, welcome back. good to see you. mr. gates: thank you, great to see you. david: you started working for the cia back in 1966 while you were in the university. he took a stand to serve in the air force, then came back to the cia. tell us what drew you to public service in the first place. mr. gates: as if the russian and eastern european institute at indiana university, earning a masters degree, and the cia recruiter showed up on campus back in the day when that was still possible, happily back in better days, but to tell you the truth, i met with the recruiter mainly as a lark in the hope of getting a free trip to washington, d.c., but when they offered me a job, i think because i was -- had been studying the soviet union, and this was at the height of the cold war, i decided that i would try that for a while and perhaps do my bit in the cold war, in the struggle against the soviet union. so it was an outgrowth of my academic focus. i thought i would t

if you're breaking into the executive branch of the pentagon, darpa is in the executive branch. what were they doing? >> the whole predicate for their analysis and their diving into it was just simply not there. when they did know this dossier was bogus and not verified, yet you still had officials signing a fisa warrant, signing the warrant and verifying data and information at same time they knew it was false how come somebody isn't held accountable. how come the judicial branch allows them to get away with it? where is the judicial branch in all of this? elizabeth: that is perjury before the fisa court meant to catch isis. jason chaffetz. you will come back on soon. still to come this hour, government watchdog for homeland security, you know what? will not probe border patrol on the horseback accused of whipping migrants with split reins. that office is punting on that. what happened to biden vowing to get to the bottom on this? more on media silence when they ramped up the this and actual photographer doubted it. osha suspends enforcement and implementation of it. it is all

behalf of the hillary clinton team broke into the executive branch, meaning potentially the pentagon and darpa to find computer links between the trump campaign and russia. so that is a violation, doing things like that. your final word. >> my final word here, look, you're right, it is either that the hillary campaign was involved in manufacturing evidence to weaponize the federal government against the trump campaign and or they were willing dupes to russian disinformation. either way to look at it, all the accusations directed at trump, he was somehow advancing the interests of the russians, looks like as always this is a case of projection, goes right back to hillary clinton. what is the old phrase, the walls are closing in? they might be this time. elizabeth: hear you loud and clear vince. come back soon. air attorney attorney general mark brnovich with us, a new milestone, overdose deaths first time surpassed one had you thousand 12 months since april. border officials warn this is directly tied to drug traffickers exploiting and profiting off of biden's weakness at the border. you're wat

the last part of that was driven by darpa. and the defense administration and then -- so r&d is an example, and the public sector or in singapore we have an agency called h-star and an r&d budget of $22 billion for every five-year period and we with the private sector figure out a way to put those dollars to work. and a substantial amount of it is now going in things about hod the economy and creating institutes of learning and driving the education agenda around some of these subjects. so the public sector can play a role. >> and they're not in conflict. it can be a commercial opportunity and to be focused on profit and to be focused on long-term growth. and stable growth. and that's the environment i believe we should be fofltering. when i think about some of the decisions we've made in our own business just looking back through time, in 2003 we are investing in environmental markets with the climate exchange that we acquired in 2010. because we thought the importance of that work, and also the commercial opportunities that

" editorial board asked about peter dazig, they asked, why did he not disclose the 2018 proposal to darpa for researched on bat coronaviruses with the w.i.b. and other which is called for engineering a modification onto spike proteins of chimeric viruses to make them infect human cells the way the pandemic did? what does he know about the database of viruses taken offline in 2019 and never brought back? does he know what research the w.i.b. may have done on its own during or after their collaboration? what was being done at the w.i.b. in the months before the pandemic? mr. dazig must answer these questions before congress. his grants were federal funds and it's entirely appropriate for congress to insist on accountability and transparency. he might help the world understand what really happened in wuhan. these are good questions and comments from "the washington post." i suggest that this committee should be investigating and holding hearings on the origins of covid-19 and any coverups. and do so in coordination with our intelligence community. my only question, can i get that commitment