. >> so it's you, patrick, gavin, curtis. >> right. >> who was curtis allen? >> curtis allen, he was -- he'd been in the military. he was more cautious. the same hate, but he was more quiet. >> who's gavin wright? >> he -- he is -- he was a friend of curtis allen's. they owned a mobile home dealership. so he was the third member. >> this is something that i wanted to grab a core group. cockroaches in this country have got to go, period. they've got these apartment complexes over there where literally every [ bleep ] apartment, that's all it is, [ bleep ]ing [ bleep ] cockroaches. if i could get ahold of rpgs, i'd blow every [ bleep ] building up right there, boom. >> they wanted to start something big and have other militias follow. and make a manifesto, you know, to send out. >> we put out a manifesto, write up a [ bleep ] page length -- what was his name, kaczynski? what he does, he made the papers publish his [ bleep ] manifesto. that's what we've got to do. >> at one of the meetings they talked about good places to hit. they talked about the somali mall, w

. >> outcomes a criminal history for curtis allen white. >> he was convicted of rape in the late 70s. >> he served times for right before he was parole to dulles county. >> douglass county colorado where healing key was murdered. it all fit. he was how older that? point >> 21 when he was paroled here. >> same age as helene. >> yes. >> it was time to tell the tenant then boss of the cold case unit. >> i come around the corner i see her and she says i know who did it, i said did what? she says i know who the killer is for helene, and i'm like no you don't. >> he knew all about the investigative dens in this case, he had seen plenty of them over the years. >> i said how do you know you do and she understood the dna, she understood the genealogy, i didn't, so she had to explain it. while then there's still a little bit of doubt, you know, do i go upstairs, don't i? so i did. >> both of them made their walk upstairs to face the sheriff. >> and they said we believe we got it, this is the guy. >> you had been on the business and of a few other this is the guy kind of conversations where it d