david. after retirement thousand ten, michael jordan private industry is a chief executive officer of the building information technology company headquartered in his hometown of pittsburgh, pennsylvania. in october 2017, he published his first book inside camp david the private world of the presidential retreat. mike travels often speaking about the book has been covered by the wall street journal, the today show c-span and many other print radio television outlets. after our conversation, mike will be taking questions from our live audience. please be your questions for mike and the chat we will get to as many as possible welcome to white house history live mike. >> wonderful to be here. it's an honor to serve the nation. [inaudible] >> only start from the beginning, your story with camp david. tell us about how you were selected as commander of camp david, what that process was likely. >> camp david is actually a navy command naval support facility and a town nearby. the navy has operated

camp david? was there an executive order, was it legislation? or did he just have someone go out with lumber and paint and redo the signs? >> i like the second explanation best. but i don't know. i imagine there must have been something signed to change the name from the shangri-la moniker to camp david. we'll have to check the archives together, colleen. >> right. karen asks, when a president chooses not to visit camp david very often, how does that change staffing and operations? >> staffing operations don't change. you're always ready, your mission is to be always ready to receive. some presidents let camp david be used by guests. president carter visited with his whole family during president clinton's term. some presidents have allowed staff to use it. but if no one's there, you're just maintaining the place and taking care of it. that can be a morale issue. if no one visits, i had a gap of five months before a visit by president clinton. that's a lot of time, you get rusty, you have to prac

david. he served as commander there during the presidency of bill clinton and george w. bush and as the author of "inside camp david", the private world of the presidentialme retreat. >> hello and welcome to another episode of white house history live.le my name is dr. colleen show gun and i'm from the white house historical association and director of the david rubenstein center for white house history. the white house o historical association is a nonprofit, ri nonpartisan organization with a mission to educate americans about the rich and diverse history of the white house and thee people who lived and worke there. our guest this evening is michael giorgione. mike is a f retired rear admira from the navy civil engineer corp. he servedld in a variety of assignments around the world and in his 29-year military career including asg commander of camp david. after military retirement in 2010, mike hashi worked in prive industry, and now is the chief executive officer of af buildin information

i'm david westin. this week, special contributor larry summers on tapering, growth rates, as well as monetary stimulus. larry: we will have a difficult inflationary dynamic. david: former hp ceo carly fiorina on reining in tech giants. and getting supply and demand back in the line.

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hi, david. >> reporter: hi, david, good morning to you. as you mentioned, big race in virginia just south of me. we're getting down really to the final days, down to the wire of that gubernatorial campaign. and president biden and his team at the white house, they are eager, eager, eager to go ahead and help terry healthcare all live -- terry mcif all live as much as they want. terry mcauliffe is eager to have president biden campaign with him coming up on tuesday, however, he has said publicly there are some headwinds in washington, as you would call it, talking about president biden's polling. i want to show you those numbers. i'm looking at them right here, this is a gallup poll, looking at the latest, 46% approving of the president's performance, 53% disapproving in september 2021, that was at 50% approval with a 49 36r9 disapproval. let's now look at the job approval among independents, now at 34%. in january that was at 61%. now, two months ago, as you mentioned, this was terry mcauliffe's race. he was ahead in the polls, the latest

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david: all right. if the resident of the united states because you and says you're running a dynamic -- gigantic company, i need more leaders in my government, why don't you come and be secretary of something important? what would you say? julie: i would say that i am honored to be asked to but i am really -- haven't really -- i have really important things to do in the private sector. david: you would not go in now? julie: that is not my aspiration at the moment. david: can you cite something that did not work out in your professional life so that people can feel you are not just a superhuman and make people feel good that they can see that somebody made a mistake. do you have any mistakes or failures you can talk about? julie: people asked that question as if the only challenge is at work. for me, work has been a great place. i have had a lot of success and i don't have any spectacular failure but in my own personal life, my father died when he was 68. i had breast cancer, we had drug addiction in ou

david: david, thank you very much. meanwhile, the great resignation, as it's being called, goes global as millions across the pond are now leaving the work force. amazon's offering bonuses to lure u.k. workers ahead of the holiday season. employ c. president rob wilson joins us now. how long is this going to last? >> we see the next several months. it's been -- you had 11 million job openings in august, 10 million in september, and you had 4.3 million people quit their jobs in september. david: well, we can't subsidize people to stay at home forever. we're already seeing the result in form of inflation. so it -- we just can't pay the bill for them anymore. >> right. exactly. and, you know, are people quitting for a number of reasons? they're not eligible for unemployment, but it's food assistance, they're getting checks from the government if you've got kids, if you make under x thousand dollars a year or are they just used to wearing from home or vax mandates. there's a lot of reasons out there, but it's time to get p

ask her david and our politics people — ask her david and our politics people her david. dedicated, passionate, friend and his beliefs but never— passionate, friend and his beliefs but never anything less than respectful for those who thought differently. those are the values he brought _ differently. those are the values he brought to — differently. those are the values he brought to a lifetime of public service — brought to a lifetime of public service. there can be few among us more _ service. there can be few among us more justified than him in his deep faith in_ more justified than him in his deep faith in the — more justified than him in his deep faith in the resurrection and the life to _ faith in the resurrection and the life to come. and while his death ieaves _ life to come. and while his death leaves a — life to come. and while his death leaves a vacuum that will not and can never— leaves a vacuum that will not and can never be filled, we will cherish his memory, we will celebrate his legacv_ his memory, we will celebrate his legacy and — his memo

david: so the joint chiefs of -- david: so chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, to me, is one of the great titles in washington. you are the most important military person. but what does that really mean to be chairman of the joint chiefs of staff? what is your real job? gen. milley: by law, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff is an advisor to the president, the secretary of defense, the national security council, and what used to be homeland security council. it is strictly an advisory role. you are not in chain of command. the chain of command is the president to the sec. defense, the commanders, and/or the secretaries of the military departments. the job is strictly advisory. but at the same time, you are in the chain of communication. so routine communications between the president and secretary of defense in the commanders typically goes through the chairman of the joint chiefs. so you are very much involved, but you have no decision authority. you don't make decisions per se. you advise the president and others on their decisions that they will make. david: to be realisti

david: did you study aerospace defense? phebe: [laughs] no. david: what did you study? phebe: i was a government major and philosophy minor. i got a superb liberal arts background and education. so i learned to write and think in college, two critical values. david: most people that graduate from smith probably do not wind up in the cia, would be my guess. phebe: most yeah. david: when you were interviewing for jobs at the end of your college career, did you tell people, i want to be in the cia? how did you happen to get in the cia? phebe: i had a sense of service to my nation, and it seemed a good place for me. so much in life, as you and i have talked about before, is finding place. and the agency was opening its doors to women, so it was a good opportunity for me. and i really enjoyed the service i was able to provide. david: how long were you in the cia? phebe: about four or five years. david: were you a cia agent, a spy, undercover, or you cannot say even today? phebe: so, we were what were called case officers. you might in the common parlance think about those as

david: four grandchildren. so what do you do for rest and relaxation, spend time with your children and grandchildren? phebe: that is joyful, but i would not call it restful or relaxing. three toddlers and one newborn is hardly relaxing. [laughs] but my husband and i walk a lot, hike a lot, and we talk a lot. he is finishing his doctorate at princeton theological seminary in ethics, so i find those kinds of conversations really stimulating and interesting. they are a respite for me, but they are also a lot of mental gymnastics to try to keep up. david: other people have said it seems, to congress, it would seem having a spouse getting a degree from seminary is very spiritual, presumably, and you are in the aerospace defense business. does anyone say that seems unusual? phebe: i think it is unusual, but when you are in leadership positions, it is important to look at all of your decisions through a moral prism, irrespective of the industry that you are in, and to make sure that you are doing the right thing and

david well it's— that i first got to know sir david well it's a _ that i first got to know sir david well. it's a well documented that sir david — well. it's a well documented that sir david was a devout catholic but even _ sir david was a devout catholic but even in _ sir david was a devout catholic but even in a _ sir david was a devout catholic but even in a hallowed walls of the vatican sir david did not lose his mysterious sense of humour. i think of a time _ mysterious sense of humour. i think of a time 7 — mysterious sense of humour. i think of a time ? mischievous. mysterious sense of humour. i think ofa time ? mischievous. i mysterious sense of humour. i think of a time ? mischievous. i think for that realisation of newman which is already— that realisation of newman which is already been referred to and we attended a highbrow theological seminar— attended a highbrow theological seminar midway through david whispered to me "isn't this fabulous, i can see your loving it. to which— fabulous, i can see your loving it. to which i— fabulous, i can see your loving it.

god bless you, david. david was a man of— peace. god bless you, david. david was a man of faith _ peace. god bless you, david. david was a man of faith and _ peace. god bless you, david. david was a man of faith and convictions, faith in his religion and convictions in his politics. he was, above and beyond, a family man, and above and beyond, a family man, and a very funny man. he would often break all the rules, cutting through pump and ceremony and connecting with people. when introducing me, he would always make up the story. i was the strictly come dancing winner for his competition at his birthday party for people over 100. he would also describe it as a lottery winner at his charity fundraiser. his favourite icebreaker was meetjames, favourite icebrea ker was meet james, he favourite icebreaker was meetjames, he is my neighbour, he has recently got out of prison. he would hold the audience with his anecdotes and stories and i would like to share the story of the boiled sweet. david was a regular visitor to the vatican, given his faith, and in the

he holy see the following year of which david was a part.— holy see the following year of which david was a part. he also campaigned for religious — david was a part. he also campaigned for religious liberty _ david was a part. he also campaigned for religious liberty issues _ for religious liberty issues generally, didn't he? he was very much not a sectarian of person. . no, he was an mp for all his constituencies, he was an mp who was a catholic. so he was there for everybody, and i think what touches me most deeply this evening is the words that or just me most deeply this evening is the words that orjust quoted, when one of his mps was killed, he said, "this could happen any of us." but did he change his way? know he did not, he left himself in the front line to meet his constituents, to be with them knowing the risk. and i think that's why for me, there is a tremendous tragic poignancy that he was actually killed in a place of worship, in a christian church. and you think about the christian faith, it is centred so much on generosity, on self—sacrifice. and that's what he did

david: and how they stay there. you don't feel inadequate now because you are only the second wealthiest man in the world, is that right? when i was on capitol hill, i met stephen prior -- breyer. he has been a justice of the supreme court for 20 years. i had a conversation with him about his future in the future of the court. i have to start with the question on everybody's mind. why is this book you have written so small? it is a small book, i am used to so many -- bigger books. why did you not get a bigger book? stephen: this is the constitution and it is smaller. david: a lot of justices of the supreme court carried the constitution. is that because you are going to forget what is in it? just like to remind people and read it over and over? stephen: you never know when 70's going to ask you a question. what is article three, section 19 say? they expect you to know. david: your book, this is an interesting book in the sense that it came from a series of talks you gave named after somebody who was an ideological o

david. the private world of the president. >> welcome to another episode of white house revived. i'm a senior vice president at the white house historical association and the science center for white house history. he served in every riding of assignments around the world in a military career. including a commander of camp david he has worked in private industries, the chief executive officer of the technology company. headquarters of pittsburgh. republish's first back, inside camp david. it travels often speaking about the book. he has been on npr, c-span and many other radio-television elements. after a conversation my will be taking questions from our live audience. please use the mic in the chat, we'll get to as many as possible in the program. >> thank you colleen, wonderful to be here. i appreciate the time you talk. >> but we start from the beginning. tell us how you were selected and with this thought process was. >> well, it is actually a navy command nearby. i was operated and main

david: for it? ok. colin: it's the only conflict i have ever been in or ever read history about where i could say to the president of the united states there is no question about the outcome. the iraqis had made several horrible mistakes. they put their line of soldiers right on the border with saudi arabia, and they were stuck. they could not move. airpower would not let them move. and then they had four divisions along the coast. and they were very light. all we had to do was fix these two forces in place and go around them, the left hook, and that is what we did. but to my surprise the night we launched the ground attack after the air attacks for several weeks, and i was expecting that the marines, who were right opposite the iraqis, were told, and i told them, attack, but don't get decisively engaged. i don't want to lose a bunch of marines. i just want you to freeze the iraqis in place. same thing on the coast. amphibious operations, but you're not going onshore. just freeze them. because we are go

david: how they stay there. you don't feel inadequate being only the second wealthiest men in the world, is that right? in january 2013, phoebe novakovic became a ceo. i had a chance to sit down with her and talk to her about the future of the aerospace defense industry. when you became the ceo company in 2013, there were not that many women who were aerospace defense executives. did you ever think you could rise up to be the ceo? phoebe: i never thought i would be the ceo. that would be highly aspirational and i have always been a big believer in you do well in life by doing the job in front of you, very well, being part of a team and serving that team. but i never could have believed this would happen. david: do you get tired of people at like me asking what it's like being a woman in a defense company? do you get asked that a lot? phoebe: i think some. i approach this job primarily as a person, largely formed by being a woman but not exclusively, so i think about myself as a person and in this position, not s

david: people were mesmerized by it. were you shocked at how it kind of transformed culture in many ways? and people were talking about all the time. did you anticipate that? ken: no. in fact, i did the press tour and people said this is terrific but no one is going to watch it, because the tv had a new police procedural that was a musical and nobody would watch this. everybody seemed to watch it. it had 40 million viewers the first time. dvd, blank dvd tapes -- not dvd but cassette tapes were what ran out in washington, d.c. i got invited to the white house. i was on "the tonight show." it was flabbergasting. what was really helpful to me, david, was staying here in walpole, because the pressure to leave again, hollywood presumed that just documentary was a step wrong on some career path that would inevitably lead to making feature films. i said no, i like my day job and being here and insulated by the people who are -- i think they are proud of what i have done. but it matters with the content of my characters. david:

of sir david amess. at one service was the pr expert talking to him on video call moments before he was attacked. i happened to be on zoom with him. the meeting ran over to 12:02, and minutes later this heinous attack happened. as the town mourned its long—serving member of parliament, we learned more details about sir david's parliamentary assistant witnessed the attack. all of a sudden there was a scream from her, because the person deliberately whipped out a knife and started stabbing david. and of course, the other lady who was out getting names of people and organising them outside came running into find the situation she did of poor david who had been stabbed. the home secretary priti patel has known sir david for over 30 years. she is encouraging individual mps to discuss the risks they face with the police to work out what protection they need. there are a range of measures in place. this is notjust about saying, "let's go for option a, have bodyguards and security." there is a panoply of measu

my prayers are with sir david and his family— prayers are with sir david and his family at— prayers are with sir david and his family at this incredibly difficult time _ family at this incredibly difficult time i— family at this incredibly difficult time. i know from personal experience the passion with which he stood _ experience the passion with which he stood up _ experience the passion with which he stood up for— experience the passion with which he stood up for and represented this community. he had a big heart, and i also want _ community. he had a big heart, and i also want to— community. he had a big heart, and i also want to acknowledge the officers — also want to acknowledge the officers who attended the event for their bravery and courage. it is vital— their bravery and courage. it is vital that— their bravery and courage. it is vital that we give the police all our support to ensure that they can do their— our support to ensure that they can do theiriob — our support to ensure that they can do theirjob at this time. for anybody— do theirjob at this time. fo

camp david? is there cars, or is there golf carts or bikes? >> yes, it's principally golf cart. everybody is assigned a golf cart. we have golf cart one. he have to have our nomenclature as well. bicycles are available, and then pedestrian. we do have cross-country trails through the woods in the winter months, if you want to do that. snowmobiling, you saw the picture of president ford and his family during his presidency. principally golf carts to get around and walk. >> just a reminder to everyone, we are going to be taking questions at the end of our conversation. so if you do have questions for mike about camp david, its history, what it's like, please put them in the chat and we'll get to as many as possible. let's talk a little bit about the history of camp david and the historic events that have taken place for camp david. you talk about some of these episodes for them and why presidents might choose camp david for the setting of these historic occurrences. >> i'll mention four events and

absolute shock. to sir david's killing. absolute shock- we _ to sir david's killing. absolute shock. we are _ to sir david's killing. absolute shock. we are all— to sir david's killing. absolute shock. we are all in _ to sir david's killing. absolute shock. we are all in shock. i to sir david's killing. absolute i shock. we are all in shock. david was a friend of everybody. whatever your political divide was david was friendly, he was a politician. that served his constituency. he was so well loved and of course our thoughts are with him, his family. the fact is his friends, everybody thought the best of david. and he has been taken away from us. i never, ever thought it would be in this position again. tragicallyjo cox blustar left, now david. he loved being an mp and representing the people. the fact is he has been killed because people don't value the job that he is doing. killed because people don't value thejob that he is doing. i have to say that everybody will be thinking about him. david has been taken from about him. david has been taken from a much respect

david _ you discussed? we discussed it a great deal. david was _ you discussed? we discussed it a great deal. david was involved i you discussed? we discussed it a great deal. david was involved atj great deal. david was involved at the time when i was crossing from being an anglican to being a catholic. we were united in many of the great moral campaigns in parliament, the pro—life campaign for example, in the late 80s and early 90s. david's faith meant a huge amount to him. his friends will be praying very, very hard for his cell and for his family tonight. hit our cell and for his family tonight. hit your thoughts about his life outside politics. what memories will you carry of him very much as a person can as opposed to an mp? it is can as opposed to an mp? it is difficult to _ can as opposed to an mp? it is difficult to think _ can as opposed to an mp? it is difficult to think of _ can as opposed to an mp? it 3 difficult to think of david outside politics because he was so devoted to politics. he was always one of the last to leave the house of commons at

david told me how valuable sir david amess was to the cause. he was sir david amess was to the cause. he: was extremely valuable, and this was something that he espoused from the time he got elected in 1983 until he died, tragically, today, and he will have a number of legacies that he made, so he piloted the cruel tethering act through to get better protection for the horse well —— welfare in 1988. he talks to me, and that was one of his proudest things. it was very difficult to get a private members bill through, particularly in those days, but he managed it and he chose animal welfare with that. his principles were always heartfelt, but never wavered, as your last guest said, so when he got elected, he was against fox hunting, and for a conservative mp in the 19805, that was a very small club, but he saw it through, he did not mind it, he stuck to his principles and that led to the hunting act in 2005. becky's saw that everybody else caught up with what he wanted. and he was still campaigning on animal welfare issues even now —— beca

♪ david: this is my kitchen table and my filing system. over much of the past three decades, i have been an investor. at highest calling of mankind is private equity. then i started interviewing. i have learned from my interviews how leaders make it to the top. i asked him how much he wanted. i said to 50. i did no due diligence. i have something i would like to say. you don't feel inadequate because being the south a us -- second wealthiest man in the world, is that right? in january 2013, she became the ceo of general dynamics. its stock is up by more than 180% since. i sat down with her and saw -- talked to her about the future of the industry. when you became the ceo of aerodynamics in 2013, there were not many women who were aerospace executives. did you think when you joined the company in 2001 you would rise to be ceo? guest: i never thought i would be the ceo. that would be highly aspirational. i have always been a big believer that you do well in the life by doing the job in front of you, being part of the solution, but i never co

david wong. this is bloomberg. ♪ david: welcome back, you are watching "bloomberg markets: asia". the supply chain crunch is front and center for investors and ceos and everyone. a lot of companies have been plugging concerns -- plugging concerns of how it's been affecting the supply chain. yvonne: we've seen it with these tech companies, google said they expect supply chain challenges as it rolls out the new pixel smartphone. top estimates really, but youtube and cloud computing divisions disappointed, microsoft revenue climbed 22 percent, beating forecasts, but the xbox business has been held back by chip supply chain snags. more of those concerns about whether he can get your xbox this christmas. expecting supply chain constraints to weigh on constraints for next year, a stronger forecast indicating market share gain particularly when it comes to servers despite tight supply. david: texas instruments was also out. the forecast here, the fourth quarter -- meeting estimates. disappointing investors who were concerned a surge in demand for electric components is slowing. there als

and with sir david losing his life. and i think on policing and security, harriet harman had a really strong point where there is surely a media know and i think it's realistically talking about the kind of closed protection for members of parliament that the home secretary and prime minister has but in those days and weeks afterjoe died we certainly did review our security and increased it in our offices in general but many mps wanted to keep the open surgeries in an open environment there was one of those. and i think that while there was an increased level of communication with the police as to where we were having surgeries there has not been, to my knowledge, a discrete police presence that most of those events and i realise that is an issue that will increase levels of resource for the police but surely it is something that ought to be on the table now and could be done in a discrete way where conversations between constituents and mps are still remaining in private but there is, just as there will be a routine po

david was a — shocked. very shocked and very down. david was a very _ shocked. very shocked and very down. david was a very hard-working - david was a very hard—working constituency mp. he used to always hold his surgeries and our head office, but he decided he wanted to come around the constituency and hold them in the different locations so he could meet the people. around here, in such a nice area, he used to go and see a elderly lady and have a cup of tea with her on numerous occasions, and then he would go on to do his surgery. for this to happen is absolutely dreadful. his family and his wife must really feel down at the moment, as we all do, because we have lost a very good, hard—working constituency mp, who worked for everyone. didn't matter who you are, it didn't matter about your religion or your culture, if you had a problem he would work for you. we if you had a problem he would work for ou. ~ ., if you had a problem he would work for ou. . . , , if you had a problem he would work for ou. t . , , ., if you had a problem he would work for ou. . .

♪ david: this is my kitchen table and also my filing system. over much of the past three decades, i have been an investor. the highest calling of mankind, i have often thought was private equity, and then i started interviewing. i watch your interviews. i know how to do some interviews. i have learned in doing my interviews how leaders make it to the top. >> i asked him how much he wanted. he said 250. i said, fine. i didn't negotiate with him. and i did no due diligence. david: i have something i would like to sell. and how they stay there. you don't feel inadequate now that you are only the second wealthiest man in the world, right? [laughter] the most senior person in the u.s. military is always the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. the 20th person to hold that title is general mark milley. he was appointed by president trump and continues to serve under president biden. i had a chance recently to sit down with general milley at the national archives and ask him about a range of civilian and military issues the chairman faces. this is w

and is the sir david. :, , , david. 0k, a very fitting tribute. ton cox david. 0k, a very fitting tribute. tonv cox a _ david. 0k, a very fitting tribute. tony cox a friend _ david. ok, a very fitting tribute. tony cox a friend of— david. 0k, a very fitting tribute. tony cox a friend of sir- david. 0k, a very fitting tribute. tony cox a friend of sir david i tony cox a friend of sir david amess, thank you for speaking to us. we are here in lee on sea as the community comes to —— leigh—on—sea the day after sir david amess was taken in such a shocking manner. our coverage continues on bbc news. thank you for watching. so we continue our coverage here on bbc news and we can hear one more of the tributes from the home secretary made a short while ago. priti patel. we are all struggling to come to terms with the fact that david amess has been so cruelly taken from us, less than 2a hours ago, david was in his own constituency, doing a local advice surgery, that is something all mps do week in, week out. of course david, as i knew him and as we

david: ok. if the president of the united states call you and said you are running a gigantic company, i need more women leaders in my government, why don't you come in and be secretary of something important, what would you say echo julie: i would say i am honored to be asked but have really important work to do in the private sector. david: so you would not go in right now? julie: but is not my current aspiration. david: someone watching this can say someone has an incredible personal life, rose up and now she is the ceo of this gigantic company. can you cite something that did not work in your professional life so people can feel you are not a superhuman and make people feel good that they can see somebody made a mistake? do you have any mistakes or failures you can talk about? julie: people ask that question as if the only challenge is at work. for me, work has been a great place. i have had a lot of success and i don't have a spectacular failure. but in my own personal life, my father died

david: -- as a virtue. david: einstein said trying something again and again expecting a different result is insanity. asking you many times might be the definition of an insane interviewer. i have to ask you the question. what are you thinking about all of the issues relating to your retirement? stephen: yes. einstein was right. [laughter] david: you have said you don't want to die on the court and nobody would want you to. [laughter] stephen: einstein is coming back. david: what would you like to do after you are off the court? would you like to teach, take life easy, what would you like to do? stephen: it's hard to take life easy. we will see. david: you have not thought about it? stephen: it goes through my mind. david: president biden has put together a commission to look at the court and you have articulated that you don't think expanding the court is a wonderful idea. stephen: i said they had better be careful about it because two can play at that game. what is worrying me, i try to explain to people