let's talk about this with former miami beach police chief and also casey jordan. investigators found articles belonging to brian laundrie. no confirmation they've found him or his body or any remains. what do you make of all of this? >> well, they are going with what they know right now, which is that they have items which i have no doubt the parents said, yes, that's brian's probably camping gear, backpack, a tarp, a tent, something like that. but the fact they have cadaver dogs there is really telling. it means they must have found something to indicate there are human remains. the fact they brought a coroner. but those two things contradict one another. if you have a body, you don't need cadaver dogs. you just need a coroner. so it really raises the question, are they still looking for human remains, and if they've found them, do they actually belong to brian laundrie? the greater question, jake, is how the parents knew exactly where to look for their son's belongings that they found very quickly once they came off the path. it makes you wonder if they knew all

here with us, casey jordan, it is good to have you on, casey. i know police are confronted with domestic violence every day. they have to incertisert themse into these situations. in your view, when you look at this particular interaction, but also others, did they have enough evidence to intervene more than they did? >> they definitely had enough evidence to arrest them both. which in retrospect and, of course, you hate to monday morning quarterback may have been the best thing because it would have given them the break away from each other that they may have needed so that gabby could have gotten it together a bit. from that angle, we have seen this before from different angles, i take away a few things. i see brian is using duper's delight. he's got this smirky smile on his face, he's laughing, he's going -- i don't have a phone, if she gets in the van and drives away, oh, my gosh, i'm the victim. where will i go? and they're buying it. they're taking everything he says at face value when we know he has a phone. and interestingly enough, they

. >> i want to bring in criminologist casey jordan. i always enjoy talking to you because i learn so much. so what's your feeling the? do you feel like investigators are period pleksed or is it just publicly they are not revealing everything they know about his potential whereabouts? >> listen, i think if we knew more than they are saying they would have -- they need the public to help them solve this. if they had any pings off his sfoerngs legitimate sightings of him in a particular area they would share that with us in the hopes that the public could solve this. the fact that after a move searching the reserve or three weeks of searching the reserve they haven't found anything, nothing at all. >> amazing. >> they are abandoning hope the at the reserve and you're left wondering if they have anything else. >> what's the psychology behind brian laundrie's father joining in on the search when it doesn't sound like he was very coopcoop cooperative at the beginning. >> it's another fin on the red herring. brian's father want to legitimatiz

i want to bring in criminologist casey jordan. it's just a bizarre case all around. the fbi announcing today they found what appears to be -- what appear to be human remains along with the personal items, personal effects including a backpack, notebook belonging to brian laundrie. what do you make of this? >> well, i was very surprised because i have been giving greater odds that he was on the lam, there being absolutely no evidence of him found in the preserve for the past month, covered by hundreds of searchers diligently looking and absolutely nothing found until today, when the parents announced that they're going to go look for their son in the preserve and their attorney calls the police and lets them know this, lets the fbi know. law enforcement says, well, sure, we're going to accompany you. and voila, they suddenly find backpacks and a dry bag and lo and behold human remains. which let's presume that they are brian laundrie. so it's bizarre because of the parents. i don't think anybody wishes death on brian laundrie or anyone. they're not that schadenfreude.

joining us now is bone chacon and criminologist and behavioral analyst casey jordan. good to see both of you. bobby, let's start with you. bobby, we know these remains were partial remains. they are in an area that was under water until recently and that they appear to have been there a while. how long do you think until we know if this is brian laundrie? >> well, i think it should be fairly quickly because what they have done is they have recovered obviously the most of the obvious human remains. now that's in a lab. they are trying to get the samples that they can do dna testing on. if you can remember, the fbi after its initial search warrant at laundrie house went back a week later to get dna samples from his house. they already have those analyzed. all they have to do is take what they got yesterday and start the analysis of doing the match and the comparison. that should happen fairly quickly. however, the fbi is going to spend a lot of time out there because the remains were degraded and see and make sure they get, you know, everything they possibly can. there'

joining me now is casey jordan, criminalologist. casey, good evening. yeah. yeah. it's tough. i'm glad you could join us. >> yeah. >> what do these autopsy results tell you? >> i would have given you 90% odds it would be strangulation because it's highly consistent with the controlling behavior we've seen from brian laundrie and we know he's not charged and he's a person of interest but obviously, it just fits with the puzzle that we've been trying to solve for the past month. >> yeah. what does it say to you about the person that killed gabby? this was a crime of passion. impulse? >> well, i'm going to argue it's not nearly as impulsive as you might think. again, impulse is going to be picking up any kind of weapon of opportunity, a rock, a knife from the kitchen, if you normally pack a gun to impulsively pull it out and shoot it because somebody is enraging you, that would be impulsive. the strangulation is intimate. it's close one on one and throttling is two hands around a neck usually thumbs pushed against the wind pipe breaking the hyoid bone. this is important because i

. >>> also with us criminologist and behavioral analyst casey jordan. so casey, a police spokesman telling cnn they found the behavior of brian laundrie's parents odd on the day they reported him missing. you know, as laila was just reporting they were only asking questions about their son. they wouldn't answer questions about gabby. my question to you is not just what you make of that, but what's interesting to me is now that police are talking about it, right? mean, as it was laid out there's a reason we don't learn about certain things in the course of a investigation, but there's also reasons why we do learn about things. >> that is absolutely correct. i mean, as an example, we keep waiting for the cause of death, and i assure you they know the cause of death but we the public don't need to know, that so, of course, they found it odd. i mean, compare the behavior of gabby's parents who were frantically trying to report her missing to any law enforcement entity that would listen to them and were getting the big shuffle, and then, of course, one week

casey jordan says that was a bad idea. >> they have labeled her the primary aggressor. she's distraught and she can't stop crying and she's 20 feet away smirking. there was more that needed to be sorted out. >> reporter: in utah, domestic violent cases, the primary duty is for the officers to protect the victim and enforce the law. >> in no way shape or form that i can perceive what happens here is a little slap fight of fiance who loves each other and wants to be together. >> reporter: two weeks later, brian returned home without his fiance. a day before laundri returned home, his mother cancelled a camping trip reservation for september 1st for two people and made a new win september 5th including a third person. where he is today remains a mystery. >> jim clemente is joining me now. jim, thank you for being with us. this new body cam video that we were just taking a look at, there is a lot of criticisms that the officers may have missed some textbook signs of ab ab abuse. when you watch it, what does it tell you and can we give these officers a hard time when they de

with us now, we want to bring in cnn correspondent jean casarez and casey jordan, a criminologist, behavioral analyst and attorney. jean, i mean, i think that everyone assumed that, of course, gabby petito had been killed. it wasn't sort of natural causes by which she died. but to hear that it was strangulation is still startling and confirms everybody's worst fears. >> i know. i know. so, it is official now that it is a homicide. that was a preliminary ruling, right, initially, and the cause of death, strangulation. something else that stands out to me is that they brought in the forensic pathologist. of course, that is who performs autopsies. but the forensic anthropologist, that is very striking right there, because they said that her remains, her body was there three to four weeks. well, we know from the search warrant affidavit, that august 27th was the last time her family had any communication with her. we know her remains were found september 19th. so that is the timetable there. we know she was in the grand tetons, which is the wild, and a forensic anthropologist shows that there was

criminologist casey jordan said that was a bad idea. >> they have labeled her the primary aggressor and she is just distraught. she can't stop crying. he's 20 feet away smirking. and obviously, the 911 phone call said that he was the primary aggressor. so there was more that needed to be sussed out. >> reporter: but in utah, the law regarding domestic violence cases clearly states the primary duty is for the officer to protect the victim and enforce the law. >> in no way, shape, or form, that can i perceive, does what happened here, a little slap fight between fiancees who love each other and want to be together, can i perceive that this is going to digress into theuatio situation where he's g to be a battered man. >> right. >> but then again, i don't have a crystal ball. >> reporter: two weeks later, brian returned home to his parent's house in florida without his fiancee. as seen in these documents obtained by cnn, a day before laundrie returned home, his mother canceled a camping trip reservation for september 1st for two people, and made a new one for september 6th to include a thir

casey jordan, a criminologist and behavioral analyst. thanks to both. brian's parents are convinced he is in this nature preserve. that's what they've been saying and they wouldn't look anywhere else. if brian has been there for the past 25 days, how likely do you think it is that he could still be alive and undetected to this point? >> i think a lot of that depends really on how prepared he was when he entered the area to begin with. if he had supplies and a backpack, which it's rumored that he had, he had ways to disinfect water through filtration and cover to protect himself from the weather and things like that, he could survive for a certain period of time. but if he had ways to gather food and process that food, he could survive even longer. the question really becomes if you can gather food, how are you going to process and cook that food without starting fire? and if your filtration fails, how you going to disinfect the water without fire? starting fire is going to be a big no-no for him if he doesn't want the get found or seen. so i think it's