even though joe biden won arizona by 45,000 votes, 20 members of the arizona legislature signed a resolution asking congress to disregard those results, and seat and elector seat of trump electors. that was without doubt, a staggering refusal to follow the will of the voters. next, republican state senators went to court and try to get from maricopa county the people's ballots and the election machines "sufficiently in advance of the congressional review of the electoral college returns on january 6, 2021." when they failed, senators carried on. they threatened to jail me and my colleagues on the board of supervisors. then they cast doubt on two additional audits that we authorized at the board of supervisors. by the way, both of these audits found there was no hacking, there was no manipulation with our machines, or with our software. it should have ended there, but it didn't. the senate then hired cyber ninjas to head up a group of firms with no or little election experience to conduct an extralegal review, essentially an extralegal recount of maricopa county's ballots. really, that can on

i was asked who won in arizona. i don't know. because there were statutory issues with this election. no election is ever perfect. but in my mind we have not resolved the issues that took place at this time. i have more questions to ask. we don't have time to ask more questions. i'm going to go without asking them and maybe submit them in writing. there's so much underlying this and this notion that this was a fraudulent effort to get at the root of this election, i think, is -- we should have welcomed an audit. you regrettably have to say that in my view watching from outside it looked like the board was obfuscating and trying to prevent an audit. my recommendation early on was do a full and complete audit. resolve this. that is what i said in november. resolve that issue. put this thing to bed. here we sit almost a full year later and people still have questions about election integrity. i don't know how we are going to resolve that. but you do know that this continued an tag nfl toward this audit while saying it proves what we

even though joe biden won arizona by 45,000 votes, 20 members of the arizona legislature signed a resolution asking congress to disregard those results, and seat and elector seat of trump electors. that was without doubt, a staggering refusal to follow the will of the voters. next, republican state senators went to court and try to get from maricopa county the people's ballots and the election machines "sufficiently in advance of the congressional review of the electoral college returns on january 6, 2021." when they failed, senators carried on. they threatened to jail me and my colleagues on the board of supervisors. then they cast doubt on two additional audits that we authorized at the board of supervisors. by the way, both of these audits found there was no hacking, there was no manipulation with our machines, or with our software. it should have ended there, but it didn't. the senate then hired cyber ninjas to head up a group of firms with no or little election experience to conduct an extralegal review, essentially an extralegal recount of maricopa county's ballots. really, that can on

and i'd yield my time to the gentleman from arizona. you heard from vice-chairman gates, can you explain to us about the paper that you found in the audit, that the auditors found in the audit? >> what i was informed of is that there appeared to be 10 different sources or types of papers used for the ballots. i personally witnessed the fact that on some ballots there was a fair amount of bleed-through from one side to the other. but as mr. gates mentioned, one of the things that you're supposed to do in setting up your election in arizona is align the ballots so that if there is bleed through from front to back or vice versa that no corresponding offense are affected and it's my understanding that even though we found bleed-through we did not find that bleed-through overlapping an oval on the other side. >> so to your knowledge there was no encroachment from one side to the other. >> that's my understanding. >> thank you. can you add on here to the-- whether there was any issues with regard to these-- of same password and user names in

so, for instance, i mentioned about one of the people hired by the arizona arizona senate to look at ballot envelope images in this review. he conflated envelope images was actual ballots. so he made a presentation to the arizona senate which he falsely stated each of these voters submitted two ballots when he was describing these images that he was looking at in the data file. promptly, the same day, that statement was picked up by arizona state senator wendy rogers, and which she said there were double votes or duplicate vote, that sort of thing and on twitter insinuated there was fraud. >> final question. in addition to having whoever the candidates accept the outcome of the election, is it time for us to have some rules that apply to social media with respect to the spreading of false information? >> thank you for that question. in a report that the brennan center published a little bit earlier this year, describing attacks on election officials, we made a number of recommendations for the problem of disinformation on social media. one is to amplify the true information that is p

who won the election in arizona? donald trump or -- >> we don't know because as the audit demonstrates very clearly, mr. raskin, there are a lot of issues with this election that took place. we're going to go through those today. but you can continue -- >> okay. i'm going to reclaim my time. >> -- speaking of the big lie, you can continue perpetuating it as long as you want. >> i'm going to reclaim my time. there is the problem we have. donald trump refused to pick up the results and unfortunately we have one of the world's great political parties which has followed him off of the ledge of this electoral lunacy. and it's dangerous for democracy, so i'm glad we're having this hearing today, and i yield back to you, madam chair. >> the gentleman yields back. i just first would like to respond to my dear friend from the great state of kentucky who said we had not conducted oversight with the administration. i would like to remind him that just two days ago we held a hearing on ida with the administrator from fema on the

arizona,a, california, nevada, mexicoo, utah and wyoming. arizona hit the hardest. we stand to lose 18% of our l annual colorado river water allocation beginning next year. that's in a few months. unfortunately, arizona is prepared for these initial cutbacks. we are implementing mitigation efforts to keep my want in the colorado river system and improve water efficiency in our farming. we plan to save enough water so most arizonans will not be impacted but we are not out of the woods. last month the interior department produced a new forecast showing water levels in lake mead put soon define lower lower enough to trigger a second round of drought restrictions. lake mead is the nation's largest man-made lake or reservoir. it stores colorado river water behind the hoover dam the world's largest public infrastructure project when it was built during the great depressionon. currently, lake mead's capacity is 35%. it's the lowest level the lake was first built. sister reservoir is the second largest man-made lake in the united states and its 35% capacity protect 30% capa

trump's loyal followers in arizona. i would like to walk through a little of that history right now. on november 19, 2020, mr. logan tweeted, quote, dominion servers in german were grabbed by the good guys in germany, unquote. dominion as a company that makes election servers. mr. logan was apparently referring to the theory spread by gateway pundit as well as convicted felon and former trump aide george pappadopoulos. were servers seized in germany after the election? >> there is zero evidence to support any part of that allegation including the idea that there were dominion servers in germany at any time. >> "usa today" and reuters all fact checked this claim and rated it false, they didn't even have servers in germany, unquote. mr. logan prepared a document for the recently sanctioned trump lawyer sidney powell to help republicans who wanted to object to the election. it said that dominion core software originated from a company, quote, founded in communist venezuelan with links to hugo chavez. mr. becker, you are an

arizona and the lower basin states. arizona has the largest or fastest growing county in the country. maricopa county businesses come to arizona. they should continue because we are going to fix this issue. but i'd like to hear from you a little bit about as you think about this and you start to think outside the box it comes to mind. >> i think both of us are looking forward to answering the question and i will kick off a few responses. the themes have involved the need to be innovative and flexible and that's what we are absolutely going to have to do in the colorado river basin but we've also emphasized the need to be collaborative and work together on these issues. i think you raised the topic of trying to use technology and be creative and have that underlining basis in science and that is what we are committed to do in the interior department. it's going to be no doubt about it we are going to be part of those conversations and look to have those available to the communities. our partners in arizona. >> i will foc

we have kelly from arizona, many others -- we have senator kelly from arizona and many others. we have been open-minded about wanting to work with others but there is little to no interest from most. host: i want to look at some of the provisions in the freedom to vote act, and i want to talk about why y'all are pushing these. here's some of the provisions. it would make election day a public holiday. it mandates every state have an automatic voter registration. it requires at least 15 days of early voting for federal elections. it cracks down on the spread of misinformation about elections. restores voting rights to formally incarcerated people upon release. bans partisan gerrymandering and protects against unlawful voting purges. those are the key provisions in the freedom to vote act. why does election day need to be a public holiday? eedom to vote . why does election day need to be a public holiday? guest: we represent a lot of working-class people. to the employer, election day is just another day. if it were a public holiday, and i don't know the exact percentage, but i t

previously served in the arizona state senate, including as minority leader and in the arizona state house. earlier in her career, she worked as a social worker and focused on issues, including domestic violence, behavioral health, and homelessness. she also worked for one of the largest ms took abuse centers in the country. she earned a bachelors degree in her work for northern arizona university and a masters degree from arizona state university. a second witness is philadelphia city commissioner al schmidt, commissioner schmidt is serving his third term and has served on the commission since 2011. as city commissioner, he's one of three members, and the only republican, on the bipartisan board of elections. commissioner schmidt began his career as the policy analyst for the presidential commission on holocaust assets and worked as a senior analyst at the government accountability office. he earned a ba from allegheny college and a phd in history from brandeis university. -- senator blunt will be introducing. i wanted to make sure we did not miss you. our third witness is wade hend

mike in the arizona state house. earlier in her career she worked as a social worker and focused on issues including domestic violence, behavioral health and homelessness. shera also worked one of the largest domestic abuse centers in the country. secretary earned her bachelor's degree in social work from northern arizona university in her masters degree from arizona staters university. our second witness is a philadelphia city commissioner al smits. commissioner schmidt is serving his third term and is served on the commission since 2011 as city commissioner he is one of three members and the only republican on the city's bipartisan board of elections. commissioner schmidt began his career as a policy analyst for the presidential commission on assets and works as a senior analyst at the government accountability office he earned a ba fromm allegheny college and a phd in history from brandeis university. >> are going to senator blunt introduced the other two witnesses? >> senator blunt will be introducing i wanted to

it says protecting arizona voters. and it talks about arizona election law. and there's this page, there's more, and there's more. and finally, we have four pages full, full pages, of new election laws. and we don't know what it is. >> he believes recent changes in the state's election laws target arizona's native american population because they helped joe biden win the state and the white house. >> they're trying to make it extremely difficult for particularly the navajo to go to elections and cast their ballot. >> how many people really pay attention in their state to every nit and jot of change of election laws? how many dropboxes you can have, what the hours are of operation, whether or not a county that last year sent you an application this year can't send you an application for a mail ballot? so the effect is going to be that fewer people are going to be able to vote. fewer people will vote. more ballots won't count. and when you look at the totality of that, here is a prediction for you that i am certain is true. it's going to disproportionately affe

telling the congressional hearing, how republicans in arizona, republicans in the state senate in arizona, trying to put him in his colleagues in jail for not handing over more materials to the cyber ninjas, who they hired to do this ridiculous review of the presidential election results in that state. i should note, now, the guy who's this head cyber ninjas, the qanon promoter who is the ceo of the cyber ninjas company, that carried out this? audit he was also asked to testify at the hearing this week. he refused to testify, instead of testify and congress, he spent that time he was supposed to be in congress, instead doing a conspiracy theory podcast hosted by the guy who started the conspiracy theory that dominion voting machines were a secret antifa plot. that's where he spent his time doing instead of finding congress, because it was very, very busy with the antifa plot dominion voting guy. but this ridiculous audit thing, i laughable and as increasingly incoherent as it is to the rest of us. it is still picking up steam in the republican party, it is becoming more and more central t

arizona's goal is conservation and not greater cuts. tribal and nontribal partnerships will an i achieve that goal. >> and reservoir elevationings we must have data and modeling projects by reclamation that provide the best available science. two achieve outcomes to share the benefits and risks, attendants of the colorado system. and three, adhere to the ethics of collaboration along the states, mexico, the united states, tribes and other stakeholders, four, recognize that we are connected from wyoming to the sea of cortez. five, incentivize actions that conserve water in lake meade. >> resources from the united states and its agencies mutts be tools in the toolbox and seven, continue state participation as well as discussions with mexico. as i mentioned, arizona tribes are key stake holders in colorado river management. a healthy river is critical to tribal rights settlements. arizona has 11 of the 22 tribes yet to be determined in whole or in part. uncertainty attached to climate change impacts on the flow of the river and to the post

from arizona drew their attention quickly first. they saw numbers of 90-some thousand, 60-some thousand, 40-some thousand ballots drop into donald trump's category and they quickly come out verbatim. there may be a reason for that. we don't know. but then they started watching and looking to the dumps. >> then they started looking to the dumps, hmm, the dumps, hmm. my favorite part is when he said there may be a reason for that, we don't know. but the 90,000, 50,000, 60,000, 40,000 ballots dropped in trump's category and came out verbatim. do you know what verbatim me? the edison amalgamator. how about me? lest you think i'm taking congressman gosar out of context here and cherry picking the one part where he seems to be off in his own haze, trust me, it's all like this from him. >> the results we see here supposedly don't change the outcome. but there's -- there's more to the story. it's how those votes could be manipulated by the machine. and then the -- the calibration or the, uh, certification of those ballots is covered up by t

arizona's goal is conservation and greater cuts. travel and nontribal partnerships will achieve that goal. over the last two decades we have learned valuable lessons for managing the colorado river, and they include, first, the vigilant -- vigilance and monitoring the reservoir elevations. we must have data produced by the bureau of reclamation, who possess the best available science. two, achieve outcomes tacky doubly share the risks attendant to the colorado river system. three, adhere to the ethic of collaboration among the states, mexico, the united states, tribes, and other stakeholders. four, recognize we are connected from wyoming to the sea of cortez. five, incentivize actions that conserve water in lake mead. six, resources from the united states and its agencies must be tools in the toolbox. and seven, continued state participation in discussions with mexico. as i mentioned, arizona tribes are stakeholders in colorado river management. a healthy river is radical to tribal water right settlements. arizona has 11 of its 22 t

arizona's goal this conservation and not greater cuts. tribal and nontribal partnerships will achieve that goal. for the last two decades we have learned valuable lessons for managing the colorado river and they include first be vigilant in monitoring the reservoir. we must have data and modeling products by the bureau who possessed the best available science. to achieve outcomes to share the benefits and risks and three, and here to the collaboration among the states. mexico, the united states, some other stakeholders. number four, recognize that we are connected from wyoming to the cortez. incentivize actions that can serve lake mead. resources from the united states must be tools in the toolbox and seven, continue state participation in discussions with mexico. as i mentioned they are key stakeholders in the management and critical to the settlements. arizona has 11 efforts tribes with rights yet to be determined in whole or in part. on the certainty attached to the climate change impact on the flow of the river and to the post 26 oper

i'm not going to continue doing this. >> you know, i was elected by the voters of arizona to do a job. i take an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states and the constitution and laws of arizona and i've done that and i'm going to continue to do the job that the voters of arizona elected me to do. i don't have another choice here. because if it wasn't me, who else would be here doing this? you know, this is the kind of thing that we have to continue to stand up to. it's why i'm running for governor because we need leaders who are going to stand up and protect our democracy and tell the truth about what our constituents need to hear, whether that's elections or the pandemic or whatever else. and so if folks want to join in, they can go to katy hobbs.org but i'll do the job voters of arizona elected me to do. >> there was more testimony at the hearing today from others who participated including a republican who election officials talked about the threats to his life that he has been subjected to and he's decided that's it. i'm not going to run for reelection. i'm not going

it does seem like she answers to no one your colleague from arizona. i mean, here she is dodging reporters on the hill as ever. she doesn't speak to journalists. she doesn't speak to her constituents. i believe she has not held a town hall since 2018. she doesn't speak to her own colleagues. correct me if i'm wrong. is it clear to you or any of your fellow democratic senators where she stands on this bill? would you treat the people of minnesota the way she treats the people of arizona? >> mehdi, i thought you were going to say i was missing from the meeting in delaware. you know, there were two senators there. >> fair point. you haven't been the block thankfully that she has. that's the caveat. >> that's right. i think that the point i'm making here is not everybody is there in delaware but all of us are weighing in. i have to say i had a productive conversation with my colleague senator sinema last week about climate which is the thing that i have been working on the hardest to include in this build back better budget. so, you know, at the end of the

i'm not going to continue to do this. >> i was elected by the voters of arizona to do a job. i took an oath to uphold the constitution of the united states, in the constitution and laws of arizona, and i have done that. i am going to continue to do the job that the voters elected me to do, i don't have another choice here, because if it wasn't, me who else would be here doing this, and, this is the kind of thing we have to continue to stand up to, it's why i'm running for governor, we need leaders who are going to stand up and protect our democracy. and tell the truth about what our constituents need to, here whether it's elections, or the pandemic, or whatever else. if folks want to join in, they can go to katie hobbs dot org, but i'm going to keep doing the job that voters of arizona elected me to do. >> there is more testimony at the hearing today, from others who participated, including a republican, an election official who talked about the threats to his, life that he has been subjected to. and he has decided, that's, it i'm not going to run for reelection. i'm not goin

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robeson, candidate for governor of arizona. it makes sense given the enormity of the problem but why isn't the arizona border issue, given what you found and reported on getting such attention? >> thank you for having me on. i don't know why. what a 70 arizona border is a full-scale invasion. we literally went to the border to a spot that is popular with the crossers and you saw a portion in that video and a tourist spot shows up, drops of the illegal immigrants, they come across the board, standing there like the welcoming committee and they came by waving at us thumbs-up walking straight to the border patrol agents to be processed and sent into the united states. >> i want people to understand the scope of this? the yuma sector of the border has seen these migrant apprehensions surge over 1000% from august of 2022 august of 2021 and that is only the people they caught so you have to think of all the people slipping past thinned out border security and who knows how many there are. >> last week alone you heard the sheriff say

arizona secretary of state katie hobbs is here. she's also now running for governor. also joining us, michigan secretary of state, jocelyn benson and jeremy bash is still

democrats win a lot in arizona. joining me to break this down for us, senior reporter harry -- senators often get lumped together. talk about the electoral environments that they both face in their home states. >> they are totally and completely different. you can see this pretty well in the 2020 presidential vote if you look at arizona and you look at west virginia. what do you see? in arizona, joe biden barely won, but he won by 0.3 percentage points. look at west virginia. donald trump won by 39 points. i want take a historical look and go back to the time when i was in college and you have the same job you have. look at 2008. what do you see back then? what you essentially see is look. look, west virginia and arizona voted the same. jm won both states by 10%. look at the trend over time. look how fast west virginia has moved to the right. last year west virginia 39 point win for trump. you see arizona a 9 point win for romney in 2012, four points in 2016 for trump and biden winning. so west virginia and arizona

you spent a lot of time in arizona recently. do you get the sense that voters buy into the big lie as much as these candidates do? >> reporter: well, there is a reason that the candidates -- at least these particular candidates -- think it's a winning strategy. because if you talk to a certain section of voters, especially very conservative, you know, republicans in sections of this state, yeah, they -- they buy it. they believe in it. but here is the problem. and here's what a lot of moderate republicans or center-right republicans are telling me. that in the general election, in a purpling state, it is not a winning formula. that, if anything, this is hurting the republican party's future here in -- in the state of arizona because instead of talking about the policies of the republican party that can draw more voters in. what they are talking about are lies and conspiracies. and in a state that has a history of republicans, anderson, like barry goldwater, john mccain, they don't believe this is the dna of the state. >> anderso

arizona, cnn did a graphic earlier today that showed arizona, the majority of arizona democrats identify as more liberal than moderate and conservative. it's not even close. she's not from a state where the democratic party, you know, lines up with where she says she is like a mansion type of democrat. what makes her think that the same people who are refusing to raise the debt limit, the party that's going to let us literally crash our economy in less than a month represent her voters, her people? >> right. but i think joy, what we have a classic case right here now is that she's not seeing herself as a public servant and has a taste of a donor lifestyle and that's where she is now. amanda's point is valid. after mark kelly goes through his election in 2022, i think the arizona democratic party will probably put up a substantive challenge against her. someone who understands policy and not just understands the layout of what washington d.c. looks like but what arizonians need. obviously, she's from, you know, the state of john mccain who was a maverick. she's clearly trying to do someth