we did a book four years ago with richard ruskin we went out with 7500 copies were years ago and the book has sold over half a million copies. that's like show business. you just cannot predict what will ever happen to a book. >> host: how long have you've been in the book business? >> guest: i'm very proud to reveal my tenure. i begin in not so brief 1978 so this will be 43 years. i feel i've been blessed to have such it great career. i feel like i've been given a baton and i have to give something back for everything that i've been given. i have to work to improve our culture and improve our society and make you both feel the joy of reading and in the process do some good books. >> host: robert weil during the pandemic we have noticed book sales have been steady and in fact have increased. >> guest: sometimes i've dealt survivors guilt because so many people have had such terrible times including many of my colleagues. yet the book business at least on our and at liveright has been strong. we have had to adapt in huge ways and so many more books have gone digital. the george floyd