a grand jury has been hearing evidence about mr. weisselberg. we know the prosecutors in mr. vance's office have obtained a full picture of his financial situation. they have gotten his personal tax returns. what it looks like is they are finding out everything they can find out about mr. weisselberg. so this stage they have reached, the evidence they're hearing in the grand jury, just gives us that confidence to be able to report that. >> one thing that happens with especially a paper that's as widely read and studied as "the new york times" is people debate what things mean online and the comments, et cetera. now we get to just ask you. so when i read this line in "the lead," setting up, quote, the possibility he could face charges this summer, does that mean the charges are more likely than not? >> i always think questions like that are interesting. we report what we know. so what we read in "the lead" is what is true. the office appears to have entered the final stages of the investigation. he could face charges as soon as this summer. at this point, there are times at wh

s office has been trying to pressure mr. weisselberg to cooperate with their investigation. and as is standard practice with prosecutors, they are trying to bring leverage against mr. weisselberg by examining his own conduct, and so they have dug into his financial history, his tax records, his banking records. they've closely scrutinized what are fringe benefits the trump organization has provided, and they seem to be looking at whether or not he has declared those benefits as income. and, you know, these are not a lot of these cases that are made, but they're clearly looking to put some pressure on mr. weisselberg to get him to cooperate with their investigation. >> so a couple of things. i haven't read your report because this is all happening just while i've been on the air. the fringe benefits, do you know what those are and also, i know in the past there had been reporting about possibly them looking at his -- weisselberg's son or other members of his family. i'm wondering if that is part of that, as well. >> we don't -- we haven't reported and we don't believe that th

mr. weisselberg and mr. trump will both have to decide how they're going to proceed and of course there will be considerable pressure on mr. weisselberg whether there is an indictment or not to cooperate in order to secure leniency going forward. >> doctor over to you. 72-degree night and midtown manhattan this evening. if you had windows open, it was almost impossible not to hear fireworks. obviously a major celebration. 74 cents threshold and new york. our role however is that of joy killers. what worries you even having reached this 70% threshold? >> yeah brian so first of all it needs to be said that compared to a year ago this has been a remarkable turnaround however, i think almost everybody in my line of work is saying okay for optimism but how about a little caution thrown in there as well? and there's a couple of problems we need to face brian and one of them is this so called delta variants which arose in southeast asia and has now become a problem in the united kingdom and is about 10% of the covi

think mr. weisselberg could change his mind? >> absolutely, again, it is distinction between the investigation and indictment, and it is not just the indictment of allen, it is indictment of his sons as well. both of them had involvement with the trump organization, barry as an employee, jack as part of ladder capital, but again, it is not just weisselberg. you have calamari being looked at for the same allegations brought against weisselberg. >> catching people up, former bodyguard and executive who is also according to "the wall street journal" under the same scrutiny. >> that's exactly correct, when it comes to having rent free apartments and vehicles, being involved in other aspects of the trump organization which the d.a. is seriously looking at. on top of that, let's not forget, jeff mcconney, assistant controller, works specifically for weisselberg. he's already been before the grand jury, take his testimony, take the testimony of jen weisselberg, half dozen other people, couple that wit

do you believe knowing these people that mr. weisselberg or mr. calamari are willing to go to prison for trmp interest were? >> i can't imagine they'd go to prison. calamari said would you care for me he said yes. these were normal people, not paul manaforts or rick or roger stones, not rick, sorry, they were regular people, and i know they've changed. power corrupts and money corrupts but i can't see them going to jail and i cannot see ever, ever, ever letting a child take the fall. that won't happen. >> barbara res, thank you very much. appreciate you being here this evening. >>> democrats and two republicans, all the democrats and two republicans voted to create a select committee to investigate the january 6th attack on our capitol while the vast majority of house republicans the 190 who voted to show up anyway voted against it. i would like to know that they did this gleefully under the eyes of u.s. capitol police officer harry dunn, metropolitan police officers and gladys sicknick and sandra garza mother and partner of brian sicknick. blue l

the grand jury is focusing on mr. weisselberg. i am sure the questions being asked is focused on weisselberg. >> let me ask you that, i know the da's office has been digging into weisselberg. so weisselberg, they have been looking at his personal finances and benefits into his son, barry, who's another long time employee of the trump's orb. how much of all of this we are seeing is aimed on weisselberg? >> investigations are conducted in secrets. there are a significant amount of mr. weisselberg and the district attorney's office's effort to get him to cooperate standard law enforcement tactic. they put pressure on witnesses they think can serve as a guide for them through a complicated case. a lot of different financial issues they are focused on involving the company and they want to get him to play ball with him and push forward the agenda. >> stay with me, william. he served the special council of the impeachment trial of former president trump and harry littman, the attorney general. thank you to both of you joining the conver

mr. weisselberg is under intense scrutiny. there is an investigation and personal finances of various figures but it would be certainly premature to think it would happen and investigators believe now he's not. >> josh, excellent reporting, as usual. thank you very much. >>> let's get analysis from the state attorney for palm beach county down in florida. thanks for joining us. how happy should former president trump be that we weisselberg is still showing up at his office at trump tower in manhattan? >> yeah, that was a birthday present for donald trump. right now it easy for allen weisselberg to play hard to get with state prosecutors in manhattan. he hasn't been charged with any crimes yet but that could change. he better not over play his hand. you're dealing with a district attorney in cyrus vance junior who is retiring and this is his legacy issue. he wants decisions before he leaves office. he's determined because he wants to go get trump's taxes twice before the u.s. supreme court. this is a three-year investigation an

i'm sure they want mr. weisselberg's counsel to have that. it's important, as mentioned, this isn't just mr. weisselberg playing a lottery ticket here to try to find the best point of advantage. if he's going to be a successful convincing cooperator, he is much better positioned to come forward now. and it appears he's trying to do the right thing of his own volition rather than be charged later. >> guys, thank you very, very much. >>> there is breaking news just ahead. we're waiting for the results of the senate showdown. that's happening right now over voting rights bill. we're standing by for the results. we're going to bring thm to you shortly. we'll be right back. my psoriatic arthritis pain? i had enough! it's not getting in my way. joint pain, swelling, tenderness...much better. my psoriasis, clearer... cosentyx works on all of this. four years and counting. so watch out. i got this! watch me. real people with active psoriatic arthritis look and feel better with cosentyx. cosentyx works fast for results that can last. it treats the mul

if mr. weisselberg was getting the gifts and not paying his taxes, what does that have to do with donald trump? >> it will add additional leverage to, hopefully, develop weisselberg as a cooperating against trump. when i read this reporting, the other thing it indicates to me is that allen weisselberg is resisting becoming a cooperating witness because he was already in the prosecutorial fold, everything would have gone radio silent regarding allen weisselberg but there's also a long game to be played here. i've had defendants who were not exactly like weisselberg, but they were people that i desperately needed to bring on board to build my case against the bigger criminal fish, and they wouldn't plead guilty. allen weisselberg may not plead guilty. so here's how we play the long game as prosecutors. we indict him. we try him. we convict him. and we sit down with him again after a jury has said, guilty, but before a judge has sentenced him. and we say, what are you going to do now, chief? yo

and so it seems that former president trump is keeping tabs on mr. weisselberg because mr. weisselberg is one member of that small circle of trust. it's not just that the circle of trust is small that makes it difficult for the prosecutors, it's also that former president trump has over his course of business been really reticent to document his doings in email. he famously doesn't email. he doesn't write things down. so it's really mr. weisselberg who has been the eyes and ears of this whole operation that can provide the information to link any misdoings to trump. that's really what's needed here. if weisselberg isn't talking, it's going to be very difficult to get the goods to prove intent on the part of trump. >> yeah. michael, this "journal" story again shows all the different ways that the probe is going forward, because we've had all these drips of news from the grand jury being impanelled to who's facing it. matthew calamari, prosecutors have an interest in him, once a bodyguard, alleging that the practice of providing employees with cars and apartments extends beyo

i guess that is sort of a black box. >> mr. weisselberg worked for trump for a long time. he has been a very loyal member of the trump organization. he serves in a high position. he is the chief financial officer. he is involved in a lot of sensitive internal workings of the trump organization and was a key player according to michael coe cohen and others. a key player in how mr. cohen was reimbursed for the hush money payments to stormy daniels. so, that puts him as clearly someone in a position of trust and in the inner circle for a lack of a better term. >> all right. thank you so much for making the time. >> thanks for having me on. >> all right. coming up, over a quarter of the states in the union have hit the president's 70% vaccination milestone, but will the rest of the country catch up by the fourth of july goal? andy slavitz joins me. don't go anywhere. slavitz join. don't go anywhere. spray, lift, skip, step. swipe, lift, spin, dry. slam, pan, still...fresh move, move, move, move aaaaand still fresh. degree. ultimate freshness activated when you move. [sfx: psst

mr. cosby in prison is defiant, and he refused to participant in sex offender classes, and he says in 2009, when i come up to parole, they won't hear me say that i have remorse. >> he never admitted that he assaulted her against her will, and he never conceded that point, and he was defiant about it. i think that what is so about this process that was not written down between bruce castor and cosby's attorney, and it is this kind of, if you will, a almost sleight of hand that is going on, and in fact, that the way that andrea constant found out about it, she was not told out about it from the d.a. is because the reporter called her and asked about it, and it is in the court case. >> and now, we talked about how this case was a watershed moment in the metoo movement, and can you unpack that and help people understand why this was such a big deal. >> well, texting with her about that point. she and others are very adamant that they should be recognized as part of, and even though they prece

the judge will arraign mr. weisselberg and the company. a lawyer will appear and they'll enter a not guilty plea and that'll start the case and the case will proceed and there are things like discoveries and things like that. >> you say it is routine. the thought of the company's side is something begun you in our coverage literally wrote the memo and we dive into that. before i bring in nick and i want you to walk us into it more. donald trump is so synonymous in the trump organization in name and likeness and brand. he argued that the trump organization in his view is a success and he says he's good at what he does and he makes deal and makes money and he hid the documentation breaking with all candidates with both parties which raised the question why. the answer for that would be that in some ways the da alleges that the company may also make mumbai defrauding and stealing it. money that was not his property would instead count as profit. is that right? what does it mean for the corporate side tomorrow? >> every case is a big deal for

. >> i am curious, how strong does the case look against mr. weisselberg and the trump organization or part of it. >> the trump organization takes the benefit collectivedoctrine, be unable to prove in a criminal case, collectively it is a company handed out fringe benefits, a form of disguise wages or compensation, you have to pay payroll taxes on that. from weisselberg's perspective if he received free rent in the trump tower. that's income which has to be reported in his income tax returns. that's not an accidental or fringe benefits. it is like tickets to a ball game. that's substantial amount of income. it is never the less tax authority of the substantial amount of tax money and if you didn't pay taxes on it, it is a problem. >> you would not think i have a fair argument while i didn't know i was supposed the pay tax on it. that's the substantial fringe benefit that any accountant advising him or if he did any tax returns, it is something he has to report his income. >> some of his current lawyers are saying well, that's targeting him poli

>> mr. weisselberg has worked for trump for a long time. he has been a very loyal member of the trump organization. he serves in a high position. he's the chief financial officer. he's involved in a lot of sensitive, internal workings of the trump organization. he was a key player, according to michael cohen and others. in court papers that have been filed, was a key player in how mr. cohen was reimbursed for the hush money payments to stormy daniels. so, that puts him in -- clearly he someone who was in a position of trust. and in the inner circle, for a lack of a better term. >> all right william k. rashbaum, thank you so much for making time. >> thank you for having me on. >> all right, coming up over a quarter of the state in the union have hit the president 70% vaccination milestone. but will the rest of the country catch up for the 4th of july goal, andy slavitt joins me, don't go anywhere. where. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy, even a term policy, for an immediate cash payment. ca

it's going to target mr. weisselberg. meantime, no intention to target the former president at this point. >> none. and his kids. no. and by the way, when they made sammy the bull cooperate, he was facing life in jail, this is not life in jail stuff. mr. weisselberg is facing. there you have it. >> neil: we'll watch it closely. a lot of years, paperwork and millions of dollars. you know a lot of people are saying is this the end result? it is odd. we'll know tomorrow. this did get leaked out today on the same day that the president was at the border saying that his successor screwed things up. we're there after this. >> i mean, the real question is, do they really want open borders or are they incompetent? you've been taking mental health meds, and your mind is finally in a better place. except now you have uncontrollable body movements called tardive dyskinesia - td. and it can seem like that's all people see. some meds for mental health can cause abnormal dopamine signaling in the brain. while how it works is not fully

and presumably, the whole thing is being supervised by mr. weisselberg. so, that's the general picture of what we're talking about here. if -- if, in fact, those are the charges. >> are there, um -- again, i never -- i'm 42 years old and i've still -- i've never been to law school and don't quite understand the distinction. but like, what -- tax infractions. what takes it from being civil to criminal? like, you know, you -- you mess something up. or -- or you don't do something. like, a criminal-tax charge. they're not that common. and like, what would -- what would tip you over, from one to the other? >> it needs to be more than just making a tax mistake or taking an aggressive position, with the advice of lawyers, on a tax writeoff. it really has to be a pattern and practice of repeatedly doing something again and again and again. falsifying documents is the -- is the real-red flag for criminal-tax fraud. where you are making up documents to justify what you are doing. and, of course, that would go hand in hand with the other type of charge we -- we've

perhaps they have a case against mr. weisselberg directly. if not, they can put him in the grand jury, immunize him and compel his testimony. there are a number of ways to get to the truth. flipping a recals trant witness is one of them. but there are other ways to get to the same place. >> let me play something that someone you and i both know, daniel goldman, said tonight about this case. >> it's interesting and not surprising that they would approach the trump organization to tell them that they are considering to charge them because that would be almost a death blow to the trump organization. every single bank would call their loans if the organization is indicted. there is no way that the trump organization has enough capital to pay off all of their loans. >> chuck, less than a minute remaining. i share, of course, as a civilian, had not thought of that. do you concur? >> yeah, i wish i was half as smart as dan goldman. charging a corporation can be cataclysmic for the corporation. think about arthur anderson in 2001 when it was charged

when it comes to mr. wee weisselberg, private school tuition could be harder to explain. these charges are really capping off a pressure campaign trying to get him to flip on former president trump, to share what he knew about what was going on behind closed doors at the trump organization. the big question i keep getting is will the former president be charged? based on our reporting, there is no indication the former president or any member of his family will be charged. we know this investigation is active and ongoing. they will continue to pressure weisselberg. we know there are other trump organization executives also under scrutiny. they too will continue to be pressured to provide what they know. at this point no indication of charges but this is just the first step in this ongoing investigation. >> you mentioned first step and the unusual nature of charging a corporation criminally, which leads to the question is this a marker? what are sources s saying about additional charges down the road? >> we know they will continue to investigate people specifically. we kno

weisselberg. let me read some of what mr. mcconney could speak to. the times reports he kept a low profile for years even as he rose to become the trump's organization's controller and the senior vice president. but during the 2016 presidential campaign, he appeared in news reports to answer questions about how mr. trump's charitable foundation was raising and spending its money. asked in september 2016 to account for why the foundation had donated $25,000 to a campaign group who is weighing an investigation into trump university, mcconnie said that was a complete mess up on names. anything that could go wrong, did go wrong. we know in the investigation into the foundation, david told us that mr. weisselberg actually testified against the trump organization. just talk about the symbiotic relationship between these two men inside the company and how their interests could very much align against donald trump. >> yeah. first notice, he has some candor, right? some measure of humor as well. so he -- that's probably the kind of witness he is. but also, th

weisselberg appears to have rebuffed mr. vance's office and continues to work at the trump organization. do you think he'll remain loyal to trump? >> things change, don, when you find yourself on the other end of an indictment. i've seen plenty of cases where i worked where somebody swore, i'm not cooperating, i'm not interested, but when you show up with an indictment, that can change minds pretty quickly. weisselberg has a little bit of a history here. he cooperated somewhat with the federal government back in the hush money payments case. the southern district of new york gave him an immunity deal. meaning, we give you your testim -- give us your testimony, we won't charge you. they didn't end up charging anybody but michael cohen based on this investigation. so he sort of cooperated with the feds, and whether that's a positive or negative indicator as to whether he'll cooperate with state authorities, i guess, remains to be seen. >> that's what i was going to ask, do you think he's looking at michael cohen and saying, th

mr. weisselberg has been under pressure. the charges really add to that pressure for him to cooperate to flip on the former president. share what he knows about any alleged criminal activity. no sfar, he's told prosecutors e will not flip. tomorrow, if and when he is charged, he will have a chance to look at the evidence, strength of the case and actually filing charges has way of changing people's minds. unless they can get wieeisselbe or other executives to cooperate, this investigation has been going on for years. there's no indication any member of his family will be charged any time soon. >> what happens next? >> this investigation is active and ongoing. we know there's other people urpd -- under scrutiny. they are been under scrutiny for prosecutors. he could be charge t at some point raising the question will he cooperate. if prosecutors can get more cooperating witnesses or gather more evidence they may be in a position to charge other people. we know that's what they will be doing. at this point, no indication the f

weisselberg. they believe he still maintains close contact with former president trump and on a recent morning my colleague saw him drive his bmw into trump tower. he's going there almost every day. right now it looks there's a crescendo coming in the upcoming days on various investigatory fronts in new york. >> joyce, if we go back in time and we look at everything we know prosecutors have, explain why they need weisselberg's cooperation with all of the paper that they have in front of them. >> the key inflection point in cases of fraud is proving knowledge and intent on the part of defendants. it's easier to go after the corporation. i suspect we'll see that if an indictment is handed down here. but cy vance and letitia james have a treasure-trove of documents. they still need someone, though, who can put knowledge and intent in the mind of the president. and who better than weisselberg, who has been with him for decades, who likely knows where all of the bodies are buried, and can talk about th

. >> well, "the new york times" reached out to a lawyer for mr. weisselberg and a trump organization representative, both of whom declined to comment. joining me now is jennifer weisselberg, allen weisselberg's former daughter-in-law, divorced in 2018. jennifer turned over documents and has been interviewed by the manhattan d.a.'s office. and you have apiered on the show. i welcome you back. are you still in touch with investigators? have you been told whether or not they may be close to some kind of action this summer? >> i did meet again with investigators recently. >> and can you share anything about a timeline? >> no. what goes on inside the investigation, the timeline, and you know, i have been asked and i will abide by the fact that specific questions, topics, information that's being discussed, it's really important that i keep it private. and discreet. >> okay. i do get that. how about this? have you been asked to appear before the grand jury? >> i prefer not to comment. >> okay. how about this? your former father-in-law continues to work

so what this all is a sign of is that they're putting pressure on the chief financial officer, mr. weisselberg, in an attempt to get him to cooperate in the investigation and potentially provide testimony against the president. so this is quite significant just given the nature of the crimes that are being alleged and the people who they're calling to testify. >> yeah, and you say alleged. it's important to point out no charges have been filed against anyone in the trump organization. barbara, you worked in the trump organization for 18 years. who is jeffrey mcconney? what's his role in the company and his relationship with allen weisselberg. >> when i worked back there, i worked on a california project, i was a consultant at the end of my tenure, and jeff was a young accountant. we had occasion to talk to him once in a while. he would look at our expenses and things like that. he wasn't the controller. this is the first i'm hearing of it and i'm happy because i liked him a lot and i think he's a good man. but he was just doing pretty much journeyman work for allen. >> but do you k

now, i don't know mr. weisselberg, i don't need to cast any aspersions on that man, i don't know if you will tell the truth or if he would lie. but charging the corporation is probably not enough if he did something wrong to get him to own up to what he did. and so, there are other options for prosecutors. perhaps they have a case against miso weisselberg directly. if not, they can always put him in the grand jury, indian my son and compel his testimony. they're a number of ways to get to the truth. flipping a recalcitrant witness is one of them, but there are many ways to get to the same place. >> let me play something that someone you and i both know, daniel goldman said tonight about this them. >> it's interesting and not surprising that they would approach the organization to tell them that they're considering to charge them because that would be almost a death blow to the trump organization. every single bank would call their loans if the trump organization is indicted. there is no way that the trump

mr. trump is outraged that they are still going after him by going after his company, where he has loyal employees for decades. on sunday, allen weisselberg's former daughter-in-law, jennifer weisselberg, who is cooperating with cy vance's investigation, said this on msnbc about allen weisselberg. >> he's blindly loyal. he doesn't have the same moral compass, i think, that i do, where you tell the truth. and he's stayed blindly loyal to not just donald's businesses, but his practices and the way he treats people and the way he's willing to destroy people that aren't silent, just the way he is. they're morally -- they have the same moral compass, the same integrity. he's always been blindly loyal to donald. i also think it's about control. allen is a control freak. i think once things start to get nasty and people are flipping or flopping, that scares him. so he'll stay due diligent and stay the course and keep going to work and hold out. >> joining us now for this discussion, daniel goldm

the prof prosecutors have obtained mr weisselberg's personal tax returns, people said, providing the fullest picture yet of his finances. rebecca royfee is a former assistant district attorney in manhattan in that same office who worked in the very office that is investigating weisselberg and the trump organization. now a law professor at new york law school and she joins me now. rebecca, first just your sort of top line take away from the times reporting today. >> i think this is a really huge story. you know, there are two possibilities here. one is that, you know, and i think this is probably a pretty off chance and that's that weisselberg is a rogue actor and he's embezzling from the company. and if that's the case then again i think that's probably not the case, but if that's the case then you know he's not loyal to the company. he's not loyal to trump and he would flip in a second. now far more likely that than this is that, look, this is the chief financial officer of this company. and so you know you said in the last segment you were brought up catholic i was brought up jewis

weisselberg's grandchildren reportedly as well as rent for an apartment, car leases. did you see conduct like that during your time at the trump organization? >> not to the same extent as it is now. i mean trump gave things away, things that didn't cost him any money for instance. gm gave him a cadillac once. they expected him to drive it around. he gave it to an employee. when i was there, it was things like tickets to the games and things like that. it wasn't things like apartments. but the potential was there. i could see how trump would tell me, you know, offer this guy this or offer this guy that. he had that mind-set of what can i get, quid pro quo, and practiced it, but not on the same level as now. >> barbara res, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for your insights tonight. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >>> coming up at the top of the hour, joshua johnson is live from the new york city pride celebration for "the week in pride." he'll be joined by representatives david cicilline and marie newman to discuss the equality act. and actress molly bern

prosecutors have obtained mr. weisselberg's personal tax returns, providing the fullest picture yet of his finances. rebecca roife is now a law professor at new york law school and she joins me now. rebecca, first, just your top line takeaway from "the times" reporting today. >> i think this is a really huge story. you know, there are two possibilities here. one is that -- and i think this is probably a pretty off chance, and that's that weisselberg is a rogue actor and he is embezzling from the company and if that's the case, and again i think that's probably not the case, but if that's the case, then he's not loyal to the company. he's not loyal to trump and he would flip in a second. now, far more likely than this is, look, this is the chief financial officer of this company. and so, you know, you said in the last segment you were plot up catholic. i was brought up jewish. this is like the chief rabbi being caught eating pork. who does that say about the congregation as a whole? clearly this is something that m

first of all, mr. weisselberg appeared to concede he's about to be indicted on serious criminal tax felonies, all of which can involve substantial jail time. that's very serious. with respect to the trump organization -- i'm sorry. >> no. go ahead. >> yeah. with respect to the trump organization, they can be fined. they can be fined significantly, but it has greater ramifications than just the fines, because you've got creditors, you've got banks that have loaned money to the trump organization, all of them are going to get very skittish, are going to be worried about where the money is going to come from, whether or not the trump organization is going to be good on their debts, which could ultimately drive donald trump into another bankruptcy. and on top of all that, if this case goes to trial, which it may very well do, there's going to be a chance for the public to actually see some of these tax returns that donald trump has hidden from the voters when he first ran in 2016 and again refused to relea

prosecutors are trying to turn weisselberg to testify against trump but new york times says even if mr. weisselberg chooses not to assess the investigation into his boss, charges against him could portend trouble for mr. trump, signaling that the prosecutors have identified what they believe is misconduct at his family business. and joining us now is daniel alonso, former federal prosecutor in the eastern district of new york. and more importantly tonight former chief of assistant district attorney in the manhattan district attorney's office. thank you very much for joining us once again tonight. what is your interpretation of this breaking news from the new york times? >> it's more of the same. we are seeing an advance of a criminal investigation that happens all the time in state court and federal court. when prosecutors have their eye on someone you sort of get this drip, drip, drip on what they're getting in and cases there's intense interest we're hearing about it. and so in ordinary cases we're hearing about it. but we heard today is that the actually now focusing on perhaps actu

weisselberg's conduct has reached a new face. joining us now, joyce vance professor at university of alabama school of law. and david cay johnston, pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter. he's the author of the making of donald trump. welcome to both of you. good to see you. let's start with you, david. you know the ends and outs of trump and the organization and the people who work for him. this is not a name. mcconney, that a lot of our viewers were bill familiar with. it is still a new an emerging name. who is this guy? >> this is a very small organization that donald trump runs at the time. directly under donald is his finance guy, allen weisselberg, who knows where all the bodies are buried and all the money is. and right beneath him is jeffrey mcconney. he has come before the grand jury, which under a new law new york law means he has immunity for anything he's testified about. transactional immunity. indicates that they are trying very hard to flip allen weisselberg, because that is where he would be most helpful to

unusual to charge a company for failing to pay taxes on these kinds of perks and the charges against mr. weisselberg appear to be part of this pressure campaign to get him to flip against his former boss, former president trump. reporting indicates the former president will not be charged but this investigation is active and ongoing. >> all of this unfolding as the former attorney general of the united states bill barr is speaking out rather bluntly about his post-election rift with former trpresident trump. >> bar was seen as a trump loyalist to help his former boss but now eight months after the election, he's speaking out against trump's claims of voter fraud. >> we won the election twice. >> as former president trump continues the lie about the 2020 election. >> we have the crime of the century which i consider to be the election of 2020. >> reporter: his former attorney general is now speaking out against him. in a newly released book excerpt written by abc news reporter, barr saying he suspected trump's claim of widespread election fraud were all bs. my attitude was, it was put up

there's a reference to specific benefits or gifts, aka, valuable things that donald trump sent towards mr. weisselberg that he may have, according to investigators, lied about, defrauded the government about, not reported as revenue, as benefits, as taxable benefits. matt stays with us. i believe we have federal prosecutor john flannery by phone. john, are you there? >> yes, i am. good to talk to you. >> john, what does it mean when the "new york times" has multiple sources saying that the d.a. of new york thinks that they have the goods to indict donald trump's money man and that they could do so this summer, which is to say, soon? >> that means the pain is finally going to rain down on the trump organization, perhaps trump himself, perhaps starting with weisselberg. but you have to ask yourself whether or not weisselberg is necessary anymore, because they have had other witnesses before the grand jury, and we won't find that out. and summer is, what, ten days away? so, any time from then on, we could see some pretty dramatic charges brought. but you've been talking about this. we had th

one of the people, the biggest names we had before was mr. weisselberg who had been a big part of the trump organization. i want to play this sound from a member of his own family. and i want to get your thoughts on the other side about how much trouble trump could be in with not just weisselberg, but now having somebody else come forward who looks like they're going to flip on him. >> he started immediately hiding money in escrow. taxes, tax fraud, tax evasion. they don't -- they're not adding up. confidentially having them cut checks that would make him vulnerable to tax evasion, tax fraud, compensation, gift taxes. >> so we're hearing about tax evasion. we're hearing about the information that people may be giving up. what does it mean to have this many people coming forward? and what could mcconney add that we maybe didn't know immediately from weisselberg? >> it is exactly what nick said. we are in rico suave land. the trump organization is a criminal enterprise and that's how this comes down, right? they are pulling the tentacles of thi

, "the new york times" reached out to a lawyer for mr. weisselberg and a trump organization representative, both of whom declined to comment. joining me now is harry litman, former u.s. attorney, legal columnist for the l.a. times and host of the talking feds podcast. i'm curious what you think allen weisselberg's role is in all of this is and do you think he could be the first one charged and if so, why? >> his role is as reported. he has been the cfo for many years. he knows where the bodies are buried. if anyone can stick trump with criminal charges, which the linchpin would be knowledge of the funky tax transactions, it would be. what's going on? well, it is the renewed interest, it all comes from this "new york times" article alex, and if you read it carefully, it says not a lot. it says he could face charges this summer. yes, and it could be a rainy summer, and it could be dry. but nevertheless, the fact that the times ran with it, it says to me that they have a sort of scoop on the inside from someone who has told them we really ar

weisselberg to testify against trump in exchange for leniency. his intimate knowledge of the trump org, he's worked at the company for decades and one of the top executives when trump was in the white house would make his cooperation an enormous asset to the investigators looking at all aspects of that company. joining our conversation, tom winter. tom, we start with you and your reporting. what's the latest? >> a couple of different things. our understanding of this is this all began yesterday really in earnest when the trump organization attorneys met with eight or nine prosecutors from cy vance's office who is the attorney for the trump organization asking them don't file these charges against us. don't file the charges against the trump organization. the prosecutors and the manhattan district attorney's office are kind of circling tax evasion charges potentially against the company for benefits they were provided to allen weisselberg which they did not file the taxes for. that's against the law. that's ournsing is this will be filed next week

allen weisselberg will be charged. you know allen obviously. you have provided documents in this instance and in this case. there have been no indications based on our reporting that he is cooperating with the da's office. have you seen or heard anything that might contradict that? what is your sense on his front moving forward. >> it's unbelievable breaking news. in terms of flipping, i've been doing a lot of think being it and i think on his own taxes, he left himself in trouble but not the same trouble. the trump organization and to lead the grand jury through those documents would then incriminate his own sons and problematic for reasons that lead not into issues cash but possibly into issues that were going on in the white house that we can talk about it at another time. the trump org is really at the core of where he has to be honest and where there's a lot of criminal liability. >> do you think allen allen weisselberg is not cooperating because he's trying to protect his family and sons as well as former president donald trump? >> not ex

>> did you solicit a grant from mr. zucker weisselberg's operation for the election? >> i want to be clear, we as a county do look to supplement the funds that we don't receive from state and federal resources to host free and fair -- >> you solicited? i am trying to answer your question. >> you, the county election administrators solicited funds from private parties in the past to support the election operations? >> we don't solicit funds from private parties. >> okay. . let me park this. because we have limited time. i think it is interesting -- maybe something this committee should look into about how private party funds are used. we saw it in wisconsin, milwaukee, madison, racine, kenosha, green bay. they shared about $6.3 million in some of that federal funding as well. i think it's an opportunity for our committee to examine how those funds were used. in my short amount of time left let me shift gears. long island to ask a question of ms. titus. you have been very involved in promoting elections. you have looked at how hr-1 in particular i think in california ha

. >> do you feel pressure from mr. trump? >> tonight, mike col00 on allen weisselberg and the trump org investigation, plus arizona secretary of state katie hobbs on the ongoing undermining of democracy in her state, and senator bernie sanders on what happens now that joe manchin did what joe manchin does. "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. these days, the most optimistic thing you can say about the state of american democracy in this perilous moment is it hasn't given out yet, but its enemies are plotting in the open. we see it every day, and they will not stop until they either are successful or some of them are put in prison. i truly believe it. the leader of the nation's antidemocratic fashion made his re-emergence at the north carolina republican convention this weekend where he once again falsely claimed the 2020 election was stolen from him. >> that election will go down as the crime of the century, and our country is being destroyed by people who perhaps have no right to destroy

. >> no comment. >> do you feel pressure from mr. trump? >> i feel no comment. [ inaudible ] >> thank you, sir. >> neil? >> yeah, so grand juries are secret. we're all trying to read tea leaves here. these tea leaves look really, really bad for donald trump and the trump organization. there is a very strong investigation going. how much is about the organization? how much is about trump and trump's kids who are rung the organization and if i'm any one of those entities i am quaking right now. this is very, very serious. >> fascinating. neil, always good to have you. everyone, you can find this and other katyal segments on "opening arguments" you can find me across social media on ari melber and connect with me on ari melber.com and when we come back, an update on maya wiley. stay restless, with the icon that does the same. the rx crafted by lexus. lease the 2021 rx 350 for $449 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. [sfx: psst psst] $449 a month for 36 months. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonas

what does he privately think the likelihood is that allen weisselberg or mr. calamari or either of their sons will do the same? >> he thinks there's no -- they will flip. i actually spoke to him today. he says, look, when they bring the hammer, they bring the hammer. two things, i agree with neal obviously and every prosecutor that's been on here, this is the first step. they will continue to build a case. but even this step is devastating. it will really destroy the trump organization in that basically they won't be able to borrow money from banks. you can't have a real estate company not doing business with banks. an indicted company the banks walk away from. even this move before they go after trump personally will devastate him and his company. and then where i think this goes, i introduced this a couple of years ago is the rico, racketeering influence and corrupt organization act that i think they will eventually bring. that's what they do for mafia bosses, mafia companies where even if trump's fingerprints are not on every little thing, the organization

mr. trump is expected to be at this time said his lawyer ronald fischetti. allen weisselberg's former daughter-in-law who's been cooperating herself with prosecutors, says they may take more than just being charged to get him to flip. >> i think you will hold until the very, very last minute. until he is either chomped buy something that they bring to the table, and he's got no choice. but i think that donald is probably promising him that he will be saved. something he is loyally, blindly, blindly loyal to. >> today, the former president again insisted the investigation was a partisan witch -- witch hunt. so his messaging remains to. same lawyers for his company denied any wrongdoing. meanwhile, we are getting extraordinary new details about the abrupt break between donald trump and his former attorney general bill barr. it is revelations come from jonathan carl of abc news is standing by to join us in a moment. in a series of interviews for his upcoming book which he details for the atlantic john carl spoke with barr about trump's insistence that the doj i

decision to subpoena mr. mcconney suggest it's a new phase with the grand jury hearing evidence about him. so-called fixer michael cohen told chris hayes what the pressure must feel like for allen weisselberg. >> they come with so much pressure and force. no matter when people say, oh, allen is not going to flip, this isn't about flipping. this is about telling the truth. >> joining our discussion, andrew weissman. as i was watching allen weisselberg today saying no comment, as instructed by his criminal defense attorneys, presumably, you get to see the man under pressure. in this instance, the pressure is actually being applied by the news media in that situation. but it's representative of the kind of pressure that surrounds a person like this in a high-profile, high-pressure case like this. >> well, you know, the fact that it's such a high-profile matter, it's something that really can hurt the prosecution. because when you're trying to get the cooperation and gain the truthful testimony of somebody, they

mr. trump is expected to be at this time said his lawyer ronald fischetti. allen weisselberg's former daughter-in-law who's been cooperating herself with prosecutors, says they may take more than just being charged to get him to flip. >> i think you will hold until the very, very last minute. until he is either chomped buy something that they bring to the table, and he's got no