side of the story. >> kirk zimmerman did not shoot and kill pamela zimmerman. he didn't shoot and kill the mother of his three children over owing $3,900 in child support. >> reporter: that state theory that kirk killed pam over money? nonsense, said his defense attorney john rogers. kirk made it clear to police, he said. that fedex from pam was no big deal. >> it didn't affect me. you're wondering if i disagreed or argued with her about it? >> kirk had a full pension guaranteed for life which he could have taken at any point in time. he was making $95,000 working for state farm. he had in excess of $240,000 in his 401(k). >> reporter: the defense told the court that police had tunnel vision from the very start. >> it's the old, "let's go look at the ex-husband. he must've done it." >> reporter: that grainy video the prosecution suggested was kirk's silver hyndai sonata? really, said the defense? how could you tell? >> i don't remember the month and the year. i don't! and i don't want to hear no more! >> reporter: then there's maria legg, the prosecution's only

>> that is myself and attendance amendment - - lieutenant zimmerman. schleicher: what time did he arrive? >> i cannot tell you the time. i could tell you the timestamp that i see 2206. 10:06 p.m. schleicher: this is pretty close in time to first arrival although maybe not exact. >> yes. schleicher: when lieutenant zimmerman arrived what happened at the scene? >> to just ensure we had the scene secured and that we had officers canvassing the area for potential witnesses that were still there. schleicher: did you see lieutenant zimmerman interact with either king and lane? >> i don't recall if he interacted with king and lane. schleicher: did you give lieutenant zimmerman any information you had gathered about the scene or potential witnesses to that point? did you tell lieutenant zimmerman what you did on the scene or steps that had been taken quick. >> yes. schleicher: he direct you to take further steps? >> more canvassing of the area and also he wanted more officers there. schleicher: he confirmed the scene was secure and the squad 320 was secure. >>

>> also if you could remove your mask. >> thank you. >> richard zimmerman, rf i-c-h-a-r-d-and then zimmerman, z-i-m-m-e-r-m-a-n. >> what do you do. >> i'm a police officer with the minneapolis police department. >> how long have you been a police officer? >> june 3rd, 1981. >> all of that with minneapolis? >> no, the first four years from '81 to '85 i worked for the fillmore county police department southeast minnesota. >> what did you do there? >> i was a patrol deputy responding to 911 accumulates. >> it was what, 1985 starting for minneapolis? >> yeah, i had the weekend off and started minneapolis june 5th of 1985. >> and are you a licensed peace officer in the state of minnesota? >> yes, i am. >> when did you first obtain your license? >> i'm sorry? >> when did you first obtain your license? >> june 3rd of 1981. >> and as a police officer having that license, are you required to do certain things to maintain that license? >> yes. >> what kinds of things do you have to do? >> we have to do continuing ed, like any other professional license and we have to do 40 hours of different education

thank you. >> it's richard zimmerman. r-i-c-h-a-r-d. >> you can tell the jurors what you do for a living? >> i'm a police officer with the minneapolis police department. >> how long you have been a police officer? >> since june 3rd of 1981. >> all that's with minneapolis? >> no. the first four years from'sfrom1 to 1985 i was a patrol deputy responding to 911 calls. >> 1985 you started with minneapolis? >> yes. i had the weekend off and started in minneapolis june 5th, 1985. >> are you a licensed police officer in the state of minnesota? >> yes, i am. >> when did you first obtain your license? >> i'm sorry? >> when did you first obtain your license? >> june 3rd of 1981. >> as a police officer, having that license, are you required to do certain things to maintain that license? >> yes. >> what kinds of things do you have to do? >> we have to do continuing ed like any other professional license. we have to do 40 hours of different education, professional education in a certain time period. i'm not sure if it's one or two yea

i was on it zimmerman you had the opportunity to review the body or cameras from him as officers involved. and did that also capture the bystanders on the sidewalk during the incident. was there something about that group of bystanders in your assessment was. control. threat to the officers at the scene. would there be a way i mean i ask it this way. what would there be other ways for officers to deal with bystanders yes could that include calling for back. with the presence of multiple officers at the scene be a relevant fact for an officer to consider when using an amount of force on a handcuffed and restrained something. should be well but if if there is some concern about the crowd. would it be relevant that there were other officers already have to say oh i see you know it doesn't matter the crowd as long as they're not attacking you. the crowd really doesn't. shouldn't have an effect on your actions. you were asked if the use of force training has changed over time it does but you still get the most up to date training every year when you go to the use of force tray i do yes. and. y

. >> was that pretty shortly after dale and zimmerman had arrived? >> yeah. yes. >> about 10:13 p.m.? is that right? >> it was sometime after sergeant dale and zimmerman arrived. >> and after that point, were there arrangements made for transport officers to bring lane and king to city halper sunt to critical incident protocol? >> there were. >> did you watch that happen? >> yes. two officers responded to the scene and they were -- officer king and officer lane were transported taergted. >> publish exhibit 90. additional body worn camera footage. do you see officer -- sergeant ashoff in this photo? >> yes. >> would you take your stylist and draw a circle? and wolenski? >> i don't see him in this photo. >> is this according to a time stamp 22:18:14. is that right? >> correct. >> okay. and that was around the time that the transport officers arrived and i'm assuming the transport would have happened shortly after that? >> correct. and they transported lane and king to room 100 within city hall? >> room 100. >> and was it about shortly after that about 15 minute

did you have a conversation with zimmerman. nor. had a conversation with both of them afterwards. roof interaction. when did you lieutenant did you turn it zimmerman remain at the scene after the piece you took over. came up to me in just told me pretty much that. it's in the b.c.s. ends now and. they'll be here and just to ensure that myself and. my officers remain on scene for scene security until. they're done there. and that we can take down the crime scene tape in and we've. published exhibit 92. this is especially agent phil. yes that is during that period of time you were speaking with getting instructions on what to do with the scene. yes. did he ask you to do anything with what 320 yes what are you telling me that. they were taken custody of the squad and mr ford's vehicle and are we notice that the squad is still running yes media opening up in power down. which i did. did you remove anything from the vehicle. at this point in the b.c. as a scene you're no longer taking any. of steps or collecting evidence is that rig

>> yes. >> when lieutenant zimmerman arrived, what happened with the scene? >> he came and just assured that we had the scene secure. he came and assured that we had officers that were canvassing the area for any potential witnesses that were still there. yeah. >> did you see lieutenant zimmerman interact with either of the involved officers, lane or king? >> i don't recall seeing him interact with lane or king. >> did you impart to lieutenant zimmerman any information that you had gathered about the scene or potential witnesses to that point? >> can you ask that question again? >> sure. did you tell lieutenant zimmerman what you did up to that point to get him caught up on the scene and the witnesses and what steps had been taken? >> oh, yes. >> did he direct you to take any further steps as -- now he is a lieutenant -- >> more canvassing of the area. he wanted more officers at the scene. >> he confirmed that the scene itself was secure. >> yes. >> and the squad was secure and mr. floyd's vehicle was secure? >> yes. >> what is bob dale assigned to? >> he was

we did you see lieutenant zimmerman interact with all officers later. and i don't recall seeing him interact with women or king. did you in my heart or to lieutenant zimmerman any information that you had. gathered about the scene or potential witnesses to that point. can you give us a question again sure did you tell lieutenant zimmerman what he is up to that point to you you know caught up on the scene witnesses what steps that did oh yes or did he direct you to take any further steps. now he's a long time i suppose more canvassing of the area and also he one of the more officers there seem to be confirmed at the scene itself was secured and of the squad was secured $320.00 yes. mr floyd's vehicle secured yes. so there was another officer there a sergeant deal with a spot you know listening to. he was there a game with zimmerman but deals from homicide is that right i believe so and then with this being a critical incident this was going to be handed over to the bureau of criminal apprehension record. while. we still didn't know this was indeed a crit

for that testimony as well. >> given their involvement with the case sergeant ploeger and lieutenant zimmerman based on their training and experience i did allow them for the limited opinion that the amount of restraint was i think lieutenant zimmerman said uncalled for but that it was not appropriate and so i denied the defense orson. >> i would only note today your honor because we have at least three officers that are coming in to testify, understand chief arodondo is testifying today the court is permitting his policy decisions for employment there are two other officers are in the train received training. he as well as target terry yang is in charge of the crisis prevention program. i'm running that we have use of force expert that are coming in. so i'm concerned that the state is pigeonholing expert testimony in through these officers where i think these officers should just be allowed to testify that these are training materials, these are trainingpolicies, these are what we do . >> i am allowing the chief's testimony that the use of force was contrary to policy . it lieutenant blackwel

>> he came with zimmerman. >> he's with homicide? >> i believe so. >> with this being a critical incident this was going to be handed over the bureau of criminal apprehension? >> at that point we still didn't know if this was a critical incident. but we were -- i was going under the assumption that it was, you know, better safe to go that way than not. >> and because of that, there were some steps taken to ensure that when this was handed off it would be handed off in a manner that it could be taken over with smoothly, correct? >> yes. >> so it was -- did either dale or zimmerman make a suggestion to you about having a privacy log? >> yes. >> all right. now what did they ask for? >> they just asked if a crime scene log had been started and i tasked officer arriola with that task. crime scene log is a log of names of officers and personnel that entered the crime scene. >> and did you see officer arriola start kbcrime scene log log? >> yes. >> publish exhibit 89. you can see -- is this officer arriola here? >> yes. >> and he appears to

zimmerman was the last witness called in week one of testimony in this trial. week two of testimony will pick back up monday morning. and while the exact line-up of witnesses is still under wraps for security reasons, we do know at some point it's expected that current minneapolis police chief will testify along with an emergency medicine physician and critically the medical examiner. omar himenez, cnn, minneapolis. >> all right, for more on this case let's bring in cnn legal analyst areva martin in los angeles. she's a civil rights attorney and legal affairs commentator. i want to flow from what we just saw there, obviously part of chauvin's defense will be that the restraint was necessary. and we heard him even right after the incident justifying it. listen to this. >> got to control this guy because he's a sizable guy. looks like he's probably on something. >> so both of those things are verifiably true. he was a big guy and he did have drugs in his system. but the testimony we just heard in that report, from our reporter from the other police officers, it s

a threat to you at that point you try to -- you know, to help them so that they're not as upset. >> zimmerman also testifying that officers are trained not to kneel on someone's neck unless it is absolutely necessary because he testified the officers are trained they are told kneeling on someone's neck can kill them. more on that dramatic testimony ahead and again we'll take you back to the trial when it resumes momentarily. >>> big news today, blockbuster economic news, the economy adding a million new jobs last month, president biden says it is proof help is here but he says more is necessary. also brand new cdc guidelines today, quite important as you think about maybe spring break or summer vacation. the cdc says individuals who have been fully vaccinated against covid-19, the government now says for the first time it is safe for those americans to travel, both domestically and internationally as long as even though they're vaccinated they continue to follow health and safety protocols. start coverage with cnn's pete munteen. this is a big deal, a lot of americans, especially as more amer

having lieutenant zimmerman on the witness stand was a strong choice. the defense tried to score points with him, tried to get him to say you can improvise in dangerous situations where your life is threatened and can use just about any sort of tactic. that didn't work out very well for them and on redirect we heard the prosecution establish this wasn't a situation where improvisation was called for. but even if it had been, the officer had already testified that the knee on the neck tactic would be a use of deadly force that wouldn't be justified in this kind of scenario. so neither perception ully with the jury in terms of the impression they have or legally, looking for an issue down the road on appeal, the defense didn't score. what was clear at the end of the morning was the use of the prone position and particularly for this length of time with a man in handcuffs in that stressed position and with the addition of a knee on his neck, that this wasn't something the most experienced officer on the minneapolis police department felt was justifiable. h

police force is described the force used on george floyd as totally unnecessary and tenant richard zimmerman was speaking at the trial of derek shows in the former policeman accused of murdering floyd video evidence of course shows kneeling on floyd's neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds here are some of the key parts of lieutenant zimmerman's testimony. in all the years you've been working for the minneapolis police department. been trained to kneel on the neck of someone who is handcuffed behind their back proposition no i haven't. is that if that were done would that be considered force absolutely what level of force might that be. that would be the top tier the deadly force why because of. the fact that. if you need is on a person's nowack that can kill him. what is your. you know your view of that use of force during that time for totally unnecessary what do you mean. well 1st of all. pulling him down to the ground face down and putting your knee on the neck for that amount of that amount of time it's just. uncalled for. i saw no reason why the officers felt they were in danger if that's w

omar, the prosecution called on lieutenant zimmerman because of his seniority. he's been with the force for nearly 40 years. how important was his testimony? >> it's incredibly important and not just because he's testifying for prosecutors to basically say chauvin's actions were unnecessary. and it's not just him in regards to law enforcement. you hear about this blue code of silence when you regard officers. he's one of multiple law enforcement officers that have testified as part of this trial saying basically that chauvin's actions were unacceptable. and then when you move forward to look at more of his testimony he specifically pointed to training and that he could find nowhere in his training where a knee to the neck on someone in the prone position is acceptable. and here's how he answered when he was asked about that by prosecutors. >> have you ever in all the years you've been working for the minneapolis police department, been trained to kneel on the neck of someone who is handcuffed behind their back in the prone position? >> no, i haven't. that would

>> he came with lieutenant zimmerman. >> bobtail is from homicide? >> i believe so. >> with this being a critical incident this was going to be handed over to the bureau of criminal apprehension, correct? >> well, at that point we still didn't know if this was indeed a critical incident, but but s going under the assumption that it was, you know, it's better safe to go that way that not. >> and because of that there were some steps taken to ensure that when this was handed off it would be handed off in the matter that could be taken over, correct? >> yes. >> did either dale or zimmerman make a suggestion to you about having -- [inaudible] >> yes. >> what did they ask for? >> they just asked for if the crime scene log cabin started. crime scene logs just a log of names of officers and personnel that entered the crime scene. >> and did you see the officer start compiling a crime scene log? >> yes. >> publish exhibit 89. you can see this officer here. >> yes. >> and he appears to be holding something, is that right? >> yes. >> is that the crime scene lo

he asked lieutenant zimmerman whether or not the force was proper and necessary, and zimmerman answered no, it was not. sara sidner, cnn, minneapolis. >> for more on this case, let's bring in cnn legal analyst areva martin in los angeles. she's a civil rights attorney and legal affairs commentator. thanks so much for being with us. i want to just flow from what we just saw there. obviously part of chauvin's defense will be that the restraint was necessary, and we heard him even right after the incident justifying it. listen to this. >> we had to control this guy because he's a sizeable guy. it looks like he's probably on something. >> so both of those things are verifiably true. he was a big guy, and he did have drugs in his system. but the testimony we just heard in that report from our reporter from the other police officers, it seems particularly damning, right? >> oh, incredibly damning. two key points to make note of. the defense told us in his opening statement that we would hear that derek chauvin did what he was trained to do. zimmerman blew a hole in that theory, saying that th

zimmerman was the last witness this week. it is expected at some point we'll hear from the current police chief and the medical examiner. >> omar, thank you so much. appreciate that. >>> laura coates is with us today. she examines these issues on her show as well. i would encourage you to tune in to that. today's testimony from lieutenant zimmerman, the longest-serving officer in the minneapolis police department. saying chauvin's use of force is unnecessary. pouring cold water on the defense of following training. how big a blow was that for the defense? >> it was crucial. he didn't just pour cold water. he blew it out of the water. up until now you've had the defense strategy to scapegoat the crowd, as if their imploring of the officers to render aide somehow removed the opportunity to perform a duty of care. then the training. i'm following orders here. what you saw was the establishment of derek chauvin as the police persona nongrata. neither of any of the officers testifying wanted to do what you expect to happen. he was

i covered lieutenant zimmerman for many years. i've interviewed him for a couple of different stories and seen him kind of how he interacts with the public and here's an example. in 2014, there was a well-known black activist who was basically accused, accused officers of beating him hup while serving a search warrant at his house, there was a public event in which community leaders came out to show their support for this community leader and zimmerman was. >> there the only member of the police department to show up. and he basically said hey, i'm sorry this happened to you, i hope you get justice. so zimmerman has a reputation as a lieutenant in homicide and since 1995, he relies on having that kind of connection with community members, and so i've seen him kind of hold that position throughout the community. so that part of his, the testimony was not surprised but as you said i think it was effective for the prosecution. >> and the jury looking at the scope of what's been offered here by the prosecution, obviously they're going

very rare that you will see police officers testifying against one of their own lieutenant richard zimmerman with some of the most damning testimony that we've seen all week against the actions taken by officer derrick shoaf and lieutenant zimmerman has been on the police force here in minneapolis for nearly 40 years he's one of the most senior police officers in the entire minneapolis police department zimmerman when he was on the stand said that the actions taken by derek show often were wrong and inappropriate and should not have been taken he said that officers while they do have the right to use force of course. they are trained to when they are told to stop using potential deadly force and he said that in all circumstances that see he saw here there was no justification whatsoever for the actions that derrick show of and took against george floyd for as we know now 9 minutes and 29 seconds chauvinist need he was on the neck of george floyd so this is incredibly incredibly strong testimony from the prosecution witness and wraps up what has been a very powerful week for the prosecution a

good morning lieutenant zimmerman good morning thank you for being here today for your gov. so you testified that you have been a minneapolis police officer since june 5th 1905 correct 1985 years prior to that you're with another agency. and when you initially came on to the minneapolis police department you were a patrol officer yes you were a patrol officer from 1905 to approximately 1993 when you took the sergeant's exam and work or more years and so it's fair to say that since 1993 so 2028 years you've not been on patrol in the city of minneapolis curb your assignments have been investigative in nature cracked and generally speaking in investigative role is more of a follow up type role right. so an incident occurs on the street. it gets assigned to a detective and then your job is to investigate. the circumstances of that incident. and so it's fair to say that since 1993 you've not other than perhaps for ceremonial reasons you've not worn a uniform on a daily basis. to wear a uniform you have to wear uniform from time to time but your daily role is as as a plain clothes

the defense tried to poke holes through a cross-examination of the same witness, zimmerman. >> you're not out patrolling the streets, making arrests, things of that nature? >> no. >> all right. and it's fair to say, then, that your experience with the use of force of late has been primarily through training? >> through what? >> your training. >> yes. >> the frequency with which you have to use higher levels of force as an investigator doesn't happen all that often, right? >> correct. >> it would not be within your normal role or job duties to do such a use of force analysis, right? >> that's correct. >> so now, as a viewer, you have seen both sides of some of what the jury saw from that witness. we're joined by civil rights attorney, a lead prosecutor in the trial of bill cosby. thanks for being here. >> of course. it's a pleasure. i wish it was under different circumstances of course. >> i feel that way very often in the work that we do here, so i understand what you mean. when you look specifically at this day's testimony, from the jury's perspective, they can draw their own views a

we got so far opinions of sergeant ploeger and lieutenant zimmerman on use of force. we'll hear from the commander or whether then commander of the training unit about it. the on that i think we have an expert witness from the state an expert witness on the defense, is that correct? >> two to make expert witnessm the state on use of force, your honor. >> are right. we're getting to the point of being cumulative. we're not asking every officer he does its cumulative but also even having two seems like it might be cumulative but i will deal with that later. it just seems -- we said earlier on your not going to be able to ask every officer what would you have done differently? we're not going to go through that. i have given you a pretty good leeway that the sergeant who was involved in the case and the lieutenant involved in the case, the lieutenant who has been a peace officer for roughly 40 years give his opinion and now you have training unit and the two experts, that's it. we're done with asking other officers about the use of force. sergeant yang you can ask about

lieutenant zimmerman was on the scene. well, after george floyd's limp body was taken off in an ambulance from the site where ex cop derek chauvin. >> kneeled on his neck for almost 9 and a half minutes. all while floyd was prone on the ground and cuffed behind his back what's your responsibility with regard to that person from that his safety is your responsibility. what you're secure and a 4 person. you need to get him out of the prone position. as soon as possible. because it restricts their breathing on cross examination. defense attorney eric nelson tried to poke some holes in zimmerman's damaging testimony minneapolis police department policy allows a police officer. >> to use whatever means are available to him to protect himself and others, right. yes, a person whos handcuffed can still pose a threat right. >> i suppose they could. so an officer who is and even though he has someone handcuffed that person could continue to kick the officer. >> yeah, i suppose but the prosecutor came right back at some point doring

he asked lieutenant zimmerman whether or not the force was proper and necessary and zimmerman answered, no, it was not. sara sidner, cnn, minneapolis. >> early, i spoke with legal analyst in los angeles, a civil rights attorney and i asked her how important friday's testimony was for the prosecution's case. >> the defense told us in his opening statement that we would hear that derek chauvin did what i was trained to do. zimmerman, put a hole in that theory saying this is not the training of the minneapolis police department. he told us how the crowd was unruly and distracting the officers being able to care for george floyd or to be able to control him and what we also heard from zimmerman was that the crowd had nothing to do with it, that the crowd should not have impacted the amount of force that was used on george floyd and that, in fact, this crowd was not attacking the officers in any way that put them in danger. so very devastating testimony on behalf of zimmerman as it relates to the defense's key arguments in this case. >> then if the justifiable use of force defense doesn't f

. >> reporter: the jury also heard from 35-year police veteran richard zimmerman who testified it was totally unnecessary for chov ton kneel on floyd's neck after he has been handcuffed calling it deadly use of force. >> once you handcuff somebody does that affect the amount of force you should consider using? >> absolutely. >> how so? >> once a person is cuffed, the threat level goes down. >> reporter: chauvin's attorney attempted to undermine zimmerman's credibility, arguing that zimmerman say detective, not a patrol officer. >> and it would not be within your normal role or job duties to do such a use of force analysis, right? >> that's correct. >> reporter: during the week of testimony, a common emotion emerged from some of the eyewitnesses. remorse. christopher martin was the cashier who suspected floyd handed him a fake $20 bill, the interaction that initiated the police response. the teenager was asked what he feels about the encounter. >> disbelief. guilt. >> why guilt? >> because if i had not taken the bill, this could have been avoided. >> let's bring in cnn analyst joey jac

does lieutenant richard zi zimmerman's testimony make this a slam dunk case? >> i'm not saying it makes it a slam dunk case, fredricka, because cases are roller coasters. what happens in trials, prosecutors have a good day or week, and then we have to see what the defense has when it gets a chance to put its case on. but that testimony from zimmerman, the most senior officer at the minneapolis police department was devastating. it blew a hole in two key points of the defenses argument. one that chauvin did what he was trained to do. zimmerman told us that didn't happen, he was not trained to put his knee on floyd's neck. secondly, we've heard this argument from the defense that this crowd was unaruly, that thy were distracting the officers. we also heard from zimmerman that unless a crowd is attacking you, the crowd should have no factor in the restraint that was used. and we heard devastating used, the actions by chauvin were totally unnecessary. so really devastating testimony by zimmerman. >> and harry, hopeful i you can hear me okay. it sounded like we wer

you made objections before lieutenant zimmerman testimony. we said you could preserve it with the objection on the record later. >> yes. for the record, last thursday we had a hearing with sergeant pleoger outside of the presence of the jury to his assessment on the use of force in this particular case. i made those friday morning in chambers discussion with the same objection. with reference to the motion in them in a to prevent every single officer coming to give their two cents of the reasonable notice of the use of force i made the same objections to lieutenant zimmerman's testimony. i just want the record to be clear that objection continued for that testimony as well. >> given the involvement with a case of pleoger and zimmerman. based on their training andng experience i did allow them the limited opinion the amount of restraint i think lieutenant the remaining said it was uncalled for and not appropriate. so i denied the defense motion to suppress the opinion. nelson: i note that today because we have at least three officers coming in

lieutenant zimmerman was on the scene. well, after george floyd's limp body was taken off in an ambulance from the site where ex cop derek chauvin kneeled on his neck for almost 9 and a half minutes. all while floyd was prone on the ground and cuffed behind his back what's your responsibility with regard to that person from that his safety is your responsibility. what you're secure and a 4 person. >> you need to get him out of the prone position. as soon as possible. because it restricts their breathing. >> on cross examination. defense attorney eric nelson tried to poke some holes in zimmerman's damaging testimony minneapolis police department policy allows a police officer to use whatever means are not available to him to protect himself and others, right. yes, a person whos handcuffed can still pose a threat right. >> i suppose they could. yeah. so an officer who is and even though he has someone handcuffed that person could continue to kick the officer. >> yeah, i suppose. yeah. but the prosecutor came right back at so

zimmerman it was the bystanders which was gut-wrenching. these testimony that came forward by those individuals, many of them cried on the stand many of them said they stood by helpless that it was clear to them that there floyd was dying underneath the knee of officer chauvin. so it was very painstaking to hear that i'm sure that a lot of jurors sitting there were moved by that testimony. in fact, one of the bystanders wuct even cross examined by the defense they allowed direct testimony to stand as is. so it certainly a powerful blow to the defense, and it really resonates the message being to these jurors, if all of these individuals standing around watching this interaction between the officer and mr. floyd, and they understood how grave circumstances were yet the officer chauvin never stood up, it is like what is prosecutor started in the opening testimony when he said he didn't let up and get up. let up and get up you're going to hear that over and over again. and at one point what he should have gotten let up and get up certainly at

. >> reporter: challenged by defense during cross-examination, zimmerman acknowledges that the use of force is contingent on the threat on the ground >> the minneapolis police officer policy allows the police officer to use whatever means are available to him to protect himself and others, right? >> yes >> reporter: as the trial resumes today we expect to hear continuing testimony from members of the minneapolis police department. now, look, at some point that's going to include the chief of police here and also maybe this week, we'll see the medical examiner called to the stand, along with other witness who will testify to the medical aspects in the case. phillip, lindsey. >> all right compelling testimony last week, and more sure to come this week. >>> the fashion designer massimo julia giannulli is no longer behind bars the federal bureau of prison says he's now under confinement. and he and his wife seen here lori loughlin was also convicted in the scandal that's it for us i'm lindsey reiser >> and i'm pllip menhia. >>> now at 4:30, coming home to the bay area. the east bay city v

nelson if you can make the record all note that you made these objections before lieutenant zimmerman's testimony and we said you could preserve with an objection on the record later. >> certainly your honor, for the record last thursday we had a hearing with sgt outside of the presence of the jury to note amid objection to ask of his assessment of the use of force in this particular case, i made that friday morning in chambers during a chambers discussion and i made the objection with reference to the motion that had been filed prior to prevent every single officer from coming in and giving their 2 cents over reasonable use of force i made those same objections to lieutenant zimmerman's testimony and i just wanted the record to be clear about objection that continues for that testimony. >> given the involvement with the testimony and based on the training and experience it was a limited opinion that the amount of restraint that lieutenant zimmerman was uncalled for but it was not appropriate and i denied the defense motion for those opinions. >> i just want to know today your honor we

>> correct. >> zimmerman telling the defense that a knee to the shoulder was a part of their training and sometimes police do keep people in a restrictive position until an ambulance gets there. as in floyd's case. >> and sometimes people are held for e.m.s. in a restrained position, agreed? >> yes, sometimes. >> zimmerman testified that once floyd was handcuffed, he did not pose a major threat other than kicking, but then seemingly gave a different answer when cross-examined by the defense. >> that person could continue to thrash his body around, agreed? >> sure. >> and part of the reason police officers restrain people is for that person's own safety, agreed? >> absolutely. yes. >> there were reports the police chief here was going to testify today that top cop is on the witness list but the prosecution would not confirm to fox news. bret? >> bret: matt finn in minneapolis. matt, thank you. tonight we hear some of the harrowing stories of migrants traveling to the southern foward seek entry into the u.s. here is correspondent alex hogan from mcallen, texas. >> faces of frustration a

very rare that you will see police officers testifying against one of their own lieutenant richard zimmerman with some of the most damning testimony that we've seen all week against the actions taken by officer derrick shoaf and lieutenant zimmerman has been on the police force here in minneapolis for nearly 40 years he's one of the most senior police officers in the entire minneapolis police department zimmerman when he was on the stand said that the actions taken by derek show often were wrong and inappropriate and should not have been taken he said that officers while they do have the right to use force of course. they are trained to when they are told to stop using potential deadly force and he said that in all circumstances that see he saw here there was no justification whatsoever for the actions that derrick chauvin took against george floyd for as we know now 9 minutes and 29 seconds chauvinist need he was on the neck of george floyd so this is incredibly incredibly strong testimony from the prosecution witness and wraps up what has been a very powerful week for the prosecution as a

now the box that this witness checks, lieutenant zimmerman, is depraved heart. why depraved heart? you heard testimony when you have someone in a prone position, that is a suspect laying on their chest face down on the ground, you have to pull them up because you're going to restrict breathing if you leave them there. you are trained on that yearly. every year you take a course that says you don't do that, and if you do get them up because you want to turn them to the side so they can breathe. well, if you leave them there for a prolonged period of time, would that not be suggestive of a lack of humanity? would it not be suggestive of a depraved heart? would it not be suggestive of the charge which is third degree murder, and that's what that gets you. final point i will make, jim, and that's this. say for an example and you are not buying that, he wasn't depraved, maybe he could have gotten him up earlier but i don't necessarily believe that, this witness, lieutenant zimmerman, testified to the policies and protocols you are trained on. that means you are on notice you shouldn't d

alex, lieutenant zimmerman was very direct on the stand today. saying what derek chauvin did to george floyd was totally unnecessary. was there any reaction from the jury at that point? >> reporter: yeah, linsey. that lieutenant's testimony seemed to strike a chord with the jury. many of the jurors were talking notes and looking intently. during the defense cross-examination, they argued that during training they're allowed to improvise. >> alex, thank you. >>> and new reports matt gaetz is being investigated for allegedly making payments to women in exchange for possibly violating sex trafficking laws. mary bruce has more. >> reporter: tonight, stunning new allegations that florida republican matt gaetz paid women for sex. abc new confirming reports that the justice department is investigating whether the congressman and a local florida politician gave cash, or other items of value, to multiple women who were recruited online to sleep with them. "the new york times" reporting that as recently as last year, the men allegedly told women to meet at

when questioned by chauvin's attorney, lieutenant zimmerman said that the shoulder is used in training when handcuffing a suspect. margaret. >> brennan: jamie yuccas on the scene in minneapolis. tonight, major league baseball announced it is moving this july's all-star game out of atlanta. the change comes in protest to a new georgia law overhauling how state elections are run and restricting voting by mail. m.l.b. commissioner rob manfred says baseball supports voting rights for all americans. in a statement, georgia governor brian kemp said baseball "caved to fear, political opportunism and liberal lies." there are disturbing new allegations tonight against florida republican congressman matt gaetz as he faces a federal sex trafficking investigation. we get details now from cbs' major garrett. >> reporter: the investigation into matt gaetz, a staunch ally of former president trump, is growing tonight, now involving several offices of the justice department, a top aide to the congressman resigning as the scandal widens. at issue is gaetz's relationship with a 17-year-old girl. gaetz c

alex, lieutenant zimmerman was very direct on the stand today. saying what derek chauvin did to george floyd was totally unnecessary. was there any reaction from the jury at that point? >> reporter: yeah, linsey. that lieutenant's testimony really seemed to strike a chord with the jury. his matter of fact condemnation of chauvin's actions, many of those jurors were taking notes and looking intently. during the defense cross-examination, they argued that during officer's training, they're allowed to, quote, have improvisation when necessary. >> alex, thanks so much. >>> and now that into matt gaetz and new reports matt gaetz is being investigated for allegedly making payments to women in exchange for sex. the justice department is already investigating whether he had a relationship with an underage girl, possibly violating sex traffic laws. congressman gaetz is denying the allegations. abc's mary bruce has more. >> reporter: tonight, stunning new allegations that florida republican matt gaetz paid women for sex. abc news confirming reports that th

is following the trial for us in minneapolis and that was richard zimmerman speaking there the longest serving police officer in the minneapolis police department saying that he was never trained to kneel on anybody's neck just how significant was this testimony today. incredibly significant because as you've pointed out he's a 40 year veteran of the minneapolis police department he's a homicide detective and beyond that he is probably by all accounts one of the more well respected officers if not the most well respected member of the minneapolis police department not only within the department but in the wider minneapolis community as well very well known so his testimony was just devastating for the defense because he basically said as you heard there that the actions taken by derek show friend were totally unnecessary and potentially acts that are not in the in the books where they train officers to do that in fact he said you should in his testimony said that. the only time you should keep a suspect face down in the prone position on the ground is until that suspect has been secure

that was richard zimmerman speaking there. the longest serving officer in the minneapolis police department saying he was never trained to kneel on someone's neck. how significant was this testimony today? gabriel: incredibly significant. he is a 40 year veteran of the minneapolis police department. he is a homicide detective. beyond that, he is by all accounts one of the mosre well respected -- the more well-respected police officers in the minneapolis police department, in the wider minneapolis community as well. his testimony was devastating for the defense. he basically said that the actions taken by derek chauvin were totally unnecessary and potentially acts that are not in the books where they train officers to do that. in his testimony, he said the only time you should keep a suspect face down in the prone position is until that suspect has been secured and their hands have been handcuffed behind them. in the case of george floyd, clearly he was on the ground, very secured, and did have handcuffs the entire nine minutes

>> absolutely. >> reporter: the defense immediately questioned zimmerman's qualifications to make those judgments, pointing ought he hasn't had to patrol a beat since 1993. >> the frequency with which you have to use higher levels of force as an investigator doesn't happen all that often, right? >> correct. >> and it would not be within your normal role or job your normal role or job duties to do such a use of force analysis, right? >> that's correct. >> yeah, i was just going to call you. >> reporter: in this video we hear from chauvin himself justifying his actions while on a call with his supervisor shortly after floyd was taken away in an ambulance. >> we just had to, had to hold the guy down. he was-- was going crazy. >> reporter: it's been a very emotional week for the prosecution witnesses. many of them weeping on the stand, expressing feelings of helplessness and guilt. do you feel that the prosecution has the upper hand in the case? >> the prosecution has the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt and they have gone a long way to satisfy this burden. they should reassess ove

to prevent and the court gave latitude with respect to sergeant ploeger, with respect to lieutenant zimmerman, with respect to allowing the chief to testify as to his interpretation of minneapolis police policy. so at this point -- and we have an expert witness who the state introduce, sergeant stiger, who is only performed this exact same analysis. its cumulative. it just builds and builds and builds and with the very nature of what we sought to prevent. >> who would like to speak for the state? >> thank you, your honor. your honor, the state strongly opposes defendants motion to exclude the testimony of expert witness seth stoughton. as we explained to the court in our memorandum of law, professor stoughton comes at the use of force issue any much different way than the other witnesses who have testified, that he is a nationally recognized expert, he's an academic and he takes an academic approach. he would not be pursuant to the courts direction court direction commenting on mpd policies or analyzing those but rather the national standards and generally accepted police practices. in this i

popped up right as we were announcer: friday feature testimony from minneapolis police officer richard zimmerman as he was questioned by the prosecution and defense about the police use of force against george floyd. [background noises] you are still under oath as a reminder. >> thank you. >> i want to draw your attention back to the incident may 25 of 2020. >> yes. >> you told the jurors about -- not being at the scene finishing her work the. the next day did you have opportunity to review some video of the incident? >> yes. >> do you recall the video? >> yes. >> this video? >> yes. >> if you watch -- did you watch it in its entirety? >> yes. >> since then have you had opportunity to watch other video of the incident? >> yes. >> specifically have you watched body worn video of the incident from the involved officers? >> yes. >> based on that in your years of training and experience with minneapolis police department, you saw then officer chauvin put his knee on mr. flights neck, correct? >> yes. >> would you call what you saw the use of force? >> yes. >> did that use of force continue until the

. >> lieutenant richard zimmerman. he testified that kneeling on the neck of someone whos handcuffed on the ground amounts to top tier deadly force reporter craig treadway has more. >> if you news on a person's neck that can kill them. lieutenant richard zimmerman a minneapolis cop since 1985 pulled no punches under questioning from prosecutor matthew frank, have you ever in all the years you've been working for the minneapolis police department. >> been trained to kneel on the neck of someone who is handcuffed behind her back in the prone position. no, i haven't. what level of force might that be. that would be the top tier. the deadly force. i saw no reason why the officers felt they were in danger if that's what they that's what they would have to feel to be able use that kind of force. lieutenant zimmerman was on the scene. well, after george floyd's limp body was taken off in an ambulance from the site where ex cop derek chauvin. >> kneeled on his neck for almost 9 and a half minutes. all while floyd was prone on

. >> reporter: lieutenant zimmerman says he served longer than any testimonies testifying to the restraining of the way that floyd was under. >> what was your view? >> totally unnecessary. once a person is cuffed, you need to turn them on their side or have them sit up. you need to get them off their chest. your muscles are pulling back when you are handcuffed and if you are laying on your chest, it constricts your breathing even more. >> it was something that former chauvin asked about in the moment by former officer thomas lane. >> reporter: the defense pointing out the differences between a patrol officer and zimmerman's role as a homicide detective. >> the frequency of which you have to use higher levels of force as an investigator does not happen all that often, right? >> correct. >> it would not be within your normal role or job duties to do such an analysis, right? >> that's correct. >> re >> reporter: painful testimony about what it was like in the moment that day just steps away from floyd. and inside how derek chauvin interpreted what just happened. >> you got to control this guy,

zimmerman had the opinion that even at the point sorry. in 19. >> even at the point that became reasonable use of force became unreasonable for mr. floyd was handcuffed. and the chief approaches them from a different perspective because that was more of a civil employment standard. and it was in violation of a policy versus era statement in terms of the use of force. ultimately, the two experts the state has presented jody steiger and another to disagree and they disagreed with each other. as you myriads of inconsistent complicated uses of force opinions that really demonstrated the difficulty of establishing beyond a reasonable doubt the use of force objectively and reasonable which is the standard under greyhound versus connor. and ultimately that been the object reasonable at some point. the question is when did become and we have again six or seven different opinions on that and in addition your honor, medical evidence and again as the court is aware the cause of death needs to be proven beyond reasonable doubt that you have the testim