but terry santos one of the recon men one of the main recon men actually he says it was a filipino. gorilla that fired that first shot so you have you have two really credible sources in a way cherry santos and then i think it was it was english that i think said. it was a japanese soldier. so you see me like give it a discrepancy right away. yeah, you know and then the the recon men were were told, you know, don't open fire until you know until you see that first parachute right at seven o'clock and that is when ringler jumped out of the plane. he went out right 0700, but terry santos and martin squires and so the other recommend so that yeah, we kicked it off a couple minutes to seven so i'm not not gonna contradict, you know an internee that was there and so forth, but you know i tend to stick more with with the recon guys, especially because they were good. they were really really good. i mean they were you know they were there were these special forces of their day. so they knew what they were doing and talking about. well, we have great many comments saying he did a great job