that became known as the magnitsky act. now we have 31 countries with the magnitsky act in place and it's a very powerful tool. instead of sanctioning a whole country, you can pick out the individual violators and leave everyone else alone and sanction these individuals. when you get put on the magnitsky list, it ends your financial life. no get put on the magnitsky list, it ends yourfinancial life. no bank get put on the magnitsky list, it ends your financial life. no bank or company will touch you. all of a sudden, you became a financial pariah. that's something that's proven very powerful. help? pariah. that's something that's proven very powerful. how much a- etite proven very powerful. how much appetite do _ proven very powerful. how much appetite do you _ proven very powerful. how much appetite do you think— proven very powerful. how much appetite do you think there - proven very powerful. how much appetite do you think there is . proven very powerful. how muchj appetite do you think there is for that sort of action

the magnitsky act freezes the the magnitsky act could possibly be important for them. your lawyer was investigating a major frost by members of the russian government and he died in very horrific circumstances. this act that you have mentioned which is in his name, tell us a little more about it. magnitsky act, we basically went out after we couldn't getjustice for his murder in russia. we say we needed to getjustice outside of russia. we said the people who did this crime and similar crimes should have their assets frozen and visas band and their names named. that became known as the magnitsky act. 31 countries have the act in place and it's a very powerful tool because and of sanctioning a whole country for doing something that, you can now pick out the individual violators and leave everyone else alone and sanction these individuals, and when you get put on the magnitsky list, it effectually ends your financial life. no the magnitsky list, it effectually ends yourfinancial life. no bank will touch you, no company will talk to, credit card will cancel your credit car

however, in this week of the holocaust memorial, surely magnitsky sanctions should have been in this list. i happen to believe that my right honourable friend wants this to happen, so i wonder who it is in government that is blocking this. he can perhaps whisper it in this chamber to me. i promise him i won't tell anybody else outside. the foreign secretary said he hadn't ruled out imposing direct sanctions on the officials responsible. i'm very happy to talk to him about the issue of genocide. he will know that my father fled the holocaust. i couldn't take it more seriously. 0n the one hand, my right honourable friend talks - about the high levell of the violent crimes being committed, in particular my right honourable friend - mentioned birth control| and forced sterilisation, which are markers of genocide. so i am confused why- the foreign secretary can't just call this crime - what it is and ensure that britain is not - complicit to genocide. doesn't the uk have a responsibility in line with its obligations under the genocide convention to find alternative routes to make the lega

i think nobody is completely safe in the russian jail as we know from the case of mr magnitsky how many of us. let's not forget about the covert outbreak which obviously have brink's of covert russian jails and i don't think healthy after the chemical attack you can be a 100 percent healthy. i mean i think the russian security services tried to kill him once that should be a message and certainly i think he's at risk of spending a long time in jail i mean they will find reasons to keep him in jail and they get there there is that question is that the smart thing for the crime of the do because to the extent that they either keep him in jail or if in fact you know he he does die under mysterious circumstances you know that's going to make him more of a martyr and how does that then react with the population that certain crimes reported he has already lost have been known that he will not commit suicide he will not take his own life and that seems to be a sort of a reassurance to the world that you know or reassurance not an indication that he believes it to you know he could be knocked o

it is a prison where sergie magnitsky the lawyer was tortured and died back in 2009. are you implying to me that he is undergoing any sort of physical or mental abuse or torture right now? no. definitely no. but it is definitely also not the best place in the room for them to be in that the safest world. it is a prison run by the russian secret service. so, he is in custody of that very people who tried to kill him just five months ago. let me ask you about this notion in charge right now. as i understand it, and mass of january 23 effort to get people out on the streets which saw protests in a hundred or so russian towns and cities, there is now a plan to undertake another set of demonstrations on january 31. you are telling me that navalny is in no place to actually orchestrate and manage the protest movement so who is making this decision? is it new? yes, i managed the original network for navalny political original office across the country. yes, i am in charge of the organisation of this rallies. onjanuary 23, we have 177 participants, all russian citizens, towns

for instance, it's the prison where sergei magnitsky, the lawyer, was tortured and died back in 2009. are you trying to imply to me that he's undergoing any sort of physical or mental abuse or torture right now? no, not now, definitely not. but it's definitely also not the best place in the world for him to be in, not the safest world. it's a prison run by the russian secret service, fsb. so he is in custody of the very people who tried to kill him just five months ago. let me ask you about this notion of who's in charge right now, because, as i understand it, after the massive january 23rd effort to get people out on the streets, which saw protests in 100 or so russian towns and cities, there is now a plan to undertake another set of demonstrations on january 31st. now, you're telling me that navalny is in no place to actually orchestrate and manage the protest movement. so who is making these decisions? is it you? yeah, that's me. so i managed the original network for, like, navalny political offices across the country. and, yes, i am in charge of organisation of these rallies. 0nja

in germany i think the other issues we need to talk about i think we are in the process of an active magnitsky law to. prosecute human rights offenders on a global scale and also in the european union. i mentioned the investigation in the council of europe i think there's a lot that can still be done and was are going to as the trees as the travel bans to those who are responsible for human rights violations and so there are many more options on the table. this is not a favorable context also for economic projects like the most you project. you know a lot of people who will agree with you a bit but you know there is bipartisan opposition to the project in the u.s. president elect joe biden he's also against the pipeline now you've got the volley element and you've got a chance so i'm going to medical who has been very good at maybe keeping business in geopolitics separated you know she's leaving office this year i mean when is enough enough in the eyes of the german government do you think. again i think you can have a very skeptical fuse on some of the aspects of the most you project i would.

however, in this week- of the holocaust memorial, surely magnitsky sanctions should have been in this list. _ i happen to believe that my right honourable friend . wants this to happen. so, i wonder who it is in government that is blocking this. _ he can perhaps whisper it in his chamber to me. - i promise him i won't tell anybody else outside. . —— in this chamber. the foreign secretary said he hadn't ruled out imposing direct sanctions on the officials responsible. i'm very happy to talk to him about the issue of genocide. he will know that my father fled the holocaust. i couldn't take it more seriously. i am confused why the foreign secretary can't just call this crime what it is and ensure that britain is not complicit to genocide. doesn't the uk have a responsibility in—line with its obligations under- the genocide convention to find alternative routes to make - the legal determination? uighurs aren't being persecuted for what they pick but for who they are. as with the tibetans, does he support their right to self—determination that they seek? we certainly want to see th

i think nobody is completely safe in the russian jail as we know from the case of mr magnitsky and how many others. let's not forget about the covert outbreak which obviously have brakes of covert russian jails and i don't think he's fully healthy after the chemical attack can be 100 percent healthy. i mean i think the russian security services tried to kill him once that should be a message and certainly i think he's at risk of spending a long time in jail i mean they will find reasons to keep him in jail and again there's that question is that the smart thing for the kremlin to do because to the extent that they either keep him in jail or if in fact you know he he does die under mysterious circumstances you know that's going to make him more of a martyr and how does that then react and with the population that certain crimes reported he has already let it be known that he will not commit suicide he will not take his own life and that seems to be a sort of a reassurance to the world you know or reassurance not an indication that he believes it's who you know he could be knocked off if

i think nobody is completely safe in the russian jail as we know from the case of mr magnitsky and how many of us let's not forget about the covert outbreak which obviously have brakes of covert russian jails and i don't think healthy after the chemical attack can be a 100 percent healthy. i mean i think the russian security services tried to kill him once that should be a message and certainly i think he's at risk of spending a long time in jail i mean they will find reasons to keep him in jail and again there's that question is that the smart thing for the crime of the do because to the extent that they either keep him in jail or if in fact you know he he does die under mysterious circumstances you know that's going to make him more of a martyr and how does that then react and with the population that certain crimes reported he has already let it be known that he will not commit suicide he will not take his own life and that seems to be a sort of a reassurance to the well that you know or reassurance not an indication that he believes it's who you know he could be knocked off if some

i think nobody is completely safe in the russian jail as we know from the case of mr magnitsky and how many of us. let's not forget about the covert outbreak which obviously have brakes of covert russian jails and i don't think healthy after the chemical attack you can be a 100 percent healthy. i mean i think the russian security services tried to kill him once that should be a message and certainly i think he's at risk of spending a long time in jail i mean they will find reasons to keep him in jail again though there's that question is that the smart thing for the kremlin to do because to the extent that they either keep him in jail or if in fact you know he does die under mysterious circumstances you know that's going to make him more of a martyr and how does that then react and with the population that certain crimes reported he has already left have been known that he will not commit suicide he will not take his own life and that seems to be a sort of a reassurance to the world that you know or reassurance not an indication that he believes it's who you know he could be knocked of

i think nobody is completely safe in the russian jail as we know from the case of mr magnitsky and how many others. let's not forget about the covert outbreak which obviously have brakes of corporate russian jails and i don't think healthy after the chemical attack can be a 100 percent healthy. i mean i think the russian security services tried to kill him once that should be a message and certainly i think he's at risk of spending a long time in jail i mean they will find reasons to keep him in jail and again there's that question is that the smart thing for the kremlin to do because to the extent that they either keep him in jail or if in fact you know he does die under mysterious circumstances you know that's going to make him more of a martyr and how does that then react with the population that certain crimes reported he has already let it be known that he will not commit suicide he will not take his own life and that seems to be a sort of a reassurance to the world that you know or reassurance not an indication that he believes it to you know he could be knocked off if something

. >> you're talking about the magnitsky act. >> not sanctions against the russian people and targeted sanks against the cronies and the oligarchs and the high-ranking human rights abusers that have made it a habit from stealing in russia for our people and going and spending and stashing away that stolen money in the west. that would be a very important step to make, and i mention this so-called golden trillion, the 1 trillion u.s. dollars in private assets stashed in western jurisdictions. there are several precedents for this one. assets of dictatorial regimes to be handed back to those countries and to those peoples once they have democratically elected countries, and that's what should happen here, too. the most important test of the biden administration will be the parliamentary election this september. there's no question that it will be just as unfair and unrigged, and it is important for other democracies to take the principle and not to recognize the fraudulent election and in 2024 when vladimir putin will remain in the kremlin, last year he essentially waived the presidentia

-- magnitsky or the authorities created during ukraine crisis that are extremely helpful in being able to impose consequences. the president-elect and the context of talking about injured -- election interference he's determined to make sure there are costs and consequences and of course we need to look at that at a time in and a place in the manner of our choosing. this can't go unanswered. >> i didn't even mention the annexation of crimea and the continuing invasion of ukraine. i appreciate that and i would just offer that. if you believe you do not have authorities that you could use them please come back to the committee because i think you would find it bipartisan bloc to try to pursue those. let me turn to turkey. you know turkey and what we have aspired to turkey the bridge between east and the west, the secular nation but strong nato allies has not been realized under president erdogan. the purchase of the s400 which is a violation clearly of. the engagement that it has had in destabilizing -- destabilizing actions in syria, the invading into the territorial waters in terms of

sergei magnitsky died there. one of the issues that the biden administration is going to be facing once they take office, are they going to take a hard line for putting alexey navalny in jail. he managed to get video out where he called on his supporters to go out into the street. there's big protests planned by alexey navalny supporters on january 23rd. the russian authorities are saying they believe it's irresponsible to call for that. >> the trump administration has been criticized for calling to his case. it will be interesting how the incoming administration deals with it. >>> the handoff of the nuclear codes. with the outgoing president skipping tomorrow's inauguration, some logistic call juggling is in store for the u.s. military. cnn's barbara starr has more from the pentagon. >> reporter: the most important briefcase in the world carried by the military and never far from the president of the united states. it's often called the nuclear football. the case holds the highly classified equipment and authori

decisions because i fear that that mission of ali's life might be in danger we've seen the case of mr magnitsky who wasn't as. known at the time but his time in jail was very limited and now we just have one. deceased person who was killed in jail so we wouldn't want to see the same thing happening to missteps in the valley that's why we need to be swift mr foreign minister what should be the target of any penalty. i think when we will frankly and foremost we must speak about the bersih ill sanction the people who are responsible for detaining far mock trial and the group of people who are actually making the show happen. now russia of course is dismissing all criticism why do you think that sanctions will work this time around. well i think that it's it's always you know it's. one step forward one step back i mean you know we have to react whenever something happens and this is the most concrete things that e.u. can do. and we have we know that in the past we've we've let something slide because we thought that maybe you know if we just don't talk about this maybe you phone escalate but you di

are still on the table given that we are several years into a sanctions regime that started with the magnitsky act that was significantly escalated following the invasion of ukraine. you know russia has learned to live with these sanctions and putin has certainly demonstrated in his approach to the incoming biden administration that he doesn't expect an improvement in relations and this is really going to expend much political energy in trying to to achieve this the one area where we could see. significant costs inflicted on the kremlin for for the prosecution of well me over the nordstrom to pipeline which germany and other european states have to protect even given us opposition opposition within the european union self and that could be you know. that could be an area where they can again impose real costs but the question is whether the kremlin is going to accept those costs in order to sideline or otherwise get rid of a political actor it with guards as to threatening could start again there are many thanks again to. thank you. this is the news hour from al-jazeera still to come on the pr

decision because i fear that the missing of ali's life might be in danger we've seen the case of mr magnitsky who wasn't as. known as a car i'm part of his car and being in jail was very limited and now we have our one. you know our deceased person who was killed in jail so we widen wouldn't want to see the same thing happening to missteps in the army that's why we need to be swift the treatment of nobody in the last months beginning was opposing and now ending with that arrest and. is showing that the lip service of that russia is a democracy and state of rule of law is only lip service and the legend the reality is like in the tradition of dictatorship and this is what is not always a bill for all people i think the council of europe. now this is a topic and to discuss how we can increase pressure on russia and not only european unity but also the council of europe which is responsible for the human rights and your being in europe as a whole. to the u.s. now where the f.b.i. is vetting all $25000.00 service personnel involved in security for president elect to show biden's inauguration defe

this has been a great achievement we have gone from magnitsky to go bold magnitsky those laws and now recently the european union was has been a tremendous success story to bring the democratic countries of the world together and give them the effective tool to push back against human rights. >> and with the state department getting more countries to adopt to make sure that comprehensive and corruption to make sure you have adequate staffing. and those that have information with those abuses and to help strengthen with the international human rights violators. and then to make tremendous progress but we all acknowledge it is a national security threat. and with the underlying fabric. and other countries in the world that regime of corruption to identify those and put them in with the consequences. and the fact that this is legislation can we have a strong position but certainly there are standards that need to be met. >> absolutely i welcome that and confirm that i am beyond that with the work in combating corruption at the state department. >> and strong support that relationship tha

we've gone from magnitski, to global, and others have their own laws and recently the european union. so, i think this has been a tremendous success story in actually bringing the democratic countries of the world together and giving them an effective tool to actually push back against democracy and human rights. >> [inaudible] -- to the sunset provided in the statute currently to remove that, but also to strengthen some areas. there are ways that we can strengthen global through the state department getting more countries to adopt the statutes to make sure they're comprehensive and clear of corruption and make sure you have adequate staffing so that you can implement the lawfully. i'd also recommend that you follow the leads given to us by ngos, that in many cases have information that otherwise would not be made available to us and these are all suggestions that could help strengthen the statute in our messages against international human rights violators. and one other area where i think you can make tremendous progress during your tenure. and that is an impact on corruption. we've

committee, thanks to congress we have some tools in our toolbox and whether it is caatsa, whether it is magnitsky, whether it is other authorities we have including the authorities that were created during the ukraine crisis that are extremely helpful in being able to impose some of these costs and consequences. the president-elect in the context of talking about election interference said that he's determined to make sure there are costs and sustainable consequences and, of course, we need to look at that at a time and place in a manner of our choosing. that this can't go unanswered. >> i appreciate that. i didn't even mention the annexation of crimea and continuing invasion of ukraine. so i appreciate that and i would just offer that, if you believe you do not have authorities that you could use, then please come back to the committee because i think you would find a bipartisan welcome to try to pursue those. let me turn to turkey. you know, turkey as what we aspired of turkey, the bridge between east and west, the secular nation, the strong nato ally has not been realized under president erdog