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we are talking to adam harris of articlentic about his on education deserts in rural america. what made you focus on this issue? guest: the author of this incredible book essentially remarked on how educational opportunities aren't the same for people in rural america as they are for in the cities. that comes back to this research that was done from the department of agriculture that show how the gap in college attainment has grown between urban environments and rural environments. what you see from 2000 to 2015 environments, the closing of the gap of people who have high school degrees. you are about as likely to have a high school degree in world america. that gap has grown if you think about college attainment. 15% to 19%.om it's a small increase. the gap for people in urban america has grown more. you are up to 33%. that is widening. places like the university of alaska where they've lost 41% of their budget and rural american education options are declining. the gap between completion of high school degrees has rural,between urban and that the gap between people who finis
we are talking to adam harris of articlentic about his on education deserts in rural america. what made you focus on this issue? guest: the author of this incredible book essentially remarked on how educational opportunities aren't the same for people in rural america as they are for in the cities. that comes back to this research that was done from the department of agriculture that show how the gap in college attainment has grown between urban environments and rural environments. what you see...
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. >> we are talking to the atlantic the adam harris about his article, designation of her all-america. how is it going? rural america. how is it going? guest: it's going good. >> what made you focus on this idea? guest: i met the author of this incredible book, "educated." earmarks on how -- he remarks on how education opportunities are not the same for people in rural america as they are in urban cities. these reports have come out, including from the u.s. department of agriculture, that essentially show how that gap in college attainment has grown between urban environments and rural environments. what you have seen from 2000 to 2015, in rural environments, you have seen a closing of the gap, of people who have high school degrees. you are just as likely to have a degreewhat, the gap has grown iu are thinking about college attainment. from 15% to 19% of people in rural america with college degrees. it is a small increase. but the gap for people who are in urban america has grown more. from 26%-30 3%. that gap is widening. you see places where they have lost the universe -- their rur
. >> we are talking to the atlantic the adam harris about his article, designation of her all-america. how is it going? rural america. how is it going? guest: it's going good. >> what made you focus on this idea? guest: i met the author of this incredible book, "educated." earmarks on how -- he remarks on how education opportunities are not the same for people in rural america as they are in urban cities. these reports have come out, including from the u.s. department of...
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. >> we are back with our spotlight on magazine segment and we are talking to adam harris about his article, the education deserts of rural america. good morning.>> first of all, what made you focus on this particular issue?>> at the aspen idea festival that is hosted by the atlantic, essentially, remarked on how educational opportunities are not the same for people in room layer, as they are in urban cities and that comes back to this research that come out that essentially show how the gap has grown between urban environments and rural environments. so what you see is that in rural environments have a closing of the gap of people who have high school degrees. essentially you are about as likely to have a degree in rural america as you are in urban america. the grab has gone. has gone from 15% to 19% and it is a small increase. but, the gap for people who are in urban america has grown more. you've gone from about 26% to 33%. that gap has extended and is widening. as you see in places like the university of alaska where they have lost 41% of their budget in one fell swoop and in rural amer
. >> we are back with our spotlight on magazine segment and we are talking to adam harris about his article, the education deserts of rural america. good morning.>> first of all, what made you focus on this particular issue?>> at the aspen idea festival that is hosted by the atlantic, essentially, remarked on how educational opportunities are not the same for people in room layer, as they are in urban cities and that comes back to this research that come out that essentially...
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. >>> we're talking to adam harris about his article the education desert of rural america. adam, good morning. >> how's it going? >> first, what made you focus on this particular issue? >> so at the aspen ideas festival which is co-hosted by the atlantic, the author of this incredible book "educated" essentially remarked on basically how educational opportunities aren't the same for people in rural america as they are in cities. and that kind of draws back to this research that's been done, th the reports that have come out that essentially show how the gap in college attainment has grown between urban environments and rural environments. so essentially what you've seen from 2000 to 2015 is that in rural environments you've seen kind of a closing of the gap of people who have high school degrees. so essentially you're about as likely to have a high school degree in rural america as in urban america. but that gap has grown if you're thinking about college attainment. it's gone from about 15% to 19% of people in rural america with college degrees. so it's a small increase, bu
. >>> we're talking to adam harris about his article the education desert of rural america. adam, good morning. >> how's it going? >> first, what made you focus on this particular issue? >> so at the aspen ideas festival which is co-hosted by the atlantic, the author of this incredible book "educated" essentially remarked on basically how educational opportunities aren't the same for people in rural america as they are in cities. and that kind of draws back...
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the atlantic's .agazine's adam harris we will be right back. announcer: this weekend on american history tv, leading up to the 50th anniversary of the apollo moon landing, watch nasa's apollo 11 prelaunch interviews tonight at 10:00 on reel america, featuring neil asked drone -- new armstrong, buzz aldrin, and neil collins. >> i was charged equally with the lunar module pilot in the operation of that lunar module systems and control of the vehicle during dissent. >> we will go through the planned two man excursion on the surface. neil will exit the spacecraft first, and as he goes down the letter, i will take pictures of him with a camera through the window. a television camera will be regarding his activities. myuld difficulties arise, job is to rescue the lamb, and i find myself becoming the active partner in charge of a very complex job. announcer: watch tonight on american history tv, on c-span3. announcer: washington journal continues. host: we will open up the phone lines and talk camping 20 in a few minutes. we want you to know that you
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then, the atlantic's adam harris discusses the college graduation gap. and later, jeff hunt, director of the centennial institute examines the state of conservatism in this
then, the atlantic's adam harris discusses the college graduation gap. and later, jeff hunt, director of the centennial institute examines the state of conservatism in this
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adam harris talks about his piece on the college graduation gap between people living in rural and urban areas in the u.s. centennial institute director talk aboutoins us to the conservatism in the u.s. and western conservatives summit. watch "washington journal" live at 7:00 eastern saturday morning. join the discussion. >> robert mueller originally scheduled to testify before congress next week, has been delayed. the former special counsel is now scheduled to appear before the house judiciary and intelligence committees on wednesday, july 24. he was issued a subpoena to testify in open session about his report into russian interference in the 2016 election. wednesday,coverage july 24, on c-span3, online at c-span.org, or listen on the free c-span radio app. now, democratic presidential candidate mayor pete buttigieg from south bend indiana campaigns in new hampshire. this is about one hour. [applause] >> thank you for your support.
adam harris talks about his piece on the college graduation gap between people living in rural and urban areas in the u.s. centennial institute director talk aboutoins us to the conservatism in the u.s. and western conservatives summit. watch "washington journal" live at 7:00 eastern saturday morning. join the discussion. >> robert mueller originally scheduled to testify before congress next week, has been delayed. the former special counsel is now scheduled to appear before the...
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we are talking to adam harris of articlentic about his on education deserts in rural america. what made you focus on this issue? guest: the author of this
we are talking to adam harris of articlentic about his on education deserts in rural america. what made you focus on this issue? guest: the author of this
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sincerely, senator harris. thank you so much. [applause] >> thank you, adam. in addition to nba finals month, this is also immigrant heritage month and so mayor london breed who was not able to join us tonight has declared this officially immigrant heritage month in san francisco. we will have a copy of this on our website and if you would like a copy of it, see staff. that feels great. so it's my pleasure next to introduce the chair and the vice-chair at the immigrant rights commission. strong, inclusive and strategic describes the leadership team of the immigrant rights commission. i'd like to introduce chair celine canaly and mario pots. [applause] >> i'm going to throw the translate or into a hoop because they won't know what it means. it means good evening and welcome in gaelic. we're delighted to have you all here this evening. i know it's very hot and we hope that the heat in the room will inspire and ignite all of us to continue on the paths that we have chosen to take care of our immigrant communities. this is a very special night. the san francisco i
sincerely, senator harris. thank you so much. [applause] >> thank you, adam. in addition to nba finals month, this is also immigrant heritage month and so mayor london breed who was not able to join us tonight has declared this officially immigrant heritage month in san francisco. we will have a copy of this on our website and if you would like a copy of it, see staff. that feels great. so it's my pleasure next to introduce the chair and the vice-chair at the immigrant rights commission....
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. >> harris: adam schiff, house intel chair, said he would bring it to life. did he? >> no. >> harris: we'll move on. good to see you both. thank you. nancy pelosi and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez are set to meet face-to-face and iron out their differences. are we bringing the iron? will they forge a new alliance, or is this just an effort to keep the peace publicly? ♪ no income verification, no appraisal, and no points. i/p úmug< what's going on? it's the 3pm slump. should have had a p3. oh yeah. should have had a p3. need energy? get p3. with a mix of meat, cheese and nuts. o♪ ozempic®! ♪ oh! oh! (announcer) people with type 2 diabetes are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than 7 and maintained it. oh! under 7? (announcer) and you may lose weight. in the same one-year study, adults lost on average up to 12 pounds. oh! up to 12 pounds? (announcer) a two-year study showed that ozempic® does not increase the risk of major cardiova
. >> harris: adam schiff, house intel chair, said he would bring it to life. did he? >> no. >> harris: we'll move on. good to see you both. thank you. nancy pelosi and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez are set to meet face-to-face and iron out their differences. are we bringing the iron? will they forge a new alliance, or is this just an effort to keep the peace publicly? ♪ no income verification, no appraisal, and no points. i/p úmug< what's going on? it's the 3pm...
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and joining us lily adams from the harris campaign. thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> a nice place we have here. >> it is beautiful. >> we saw what happened in the first debate. this is round two. the vice president is saying he's, quote, not going to be as polite this time. what do you expect? what should we expect in round two. >> well i'll say that kamala harris answered reporter questions today and said that her mother raised her to be polite so i expect she'll be very polite but i think she views this as an opportunity to talk to the american people out there looking at who do they want to take on trump. who is the toughest person to put on the stage with donald trump. who is a truly existential threat to the values that we do share. >> is she going to continue to go after him -- the former vice president on various civil rights issues? >> that is certainly not her goal. her goal is to talk about her vision for the future. i think that obviously i don't know why this -- that discussion on busing was a surprise for the vice
and joining us lily adams from the harris campaign. thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> a nice place we have here. >> it is beautiful. >> we saw what happened in the first debate. this is round two. the vice president is saying he's, quote, not going to be as polite this time. what do you expect? what should we expect in round two. >> well i'll say that kamala harris answered reporter questions today and said that her mother raised her to be polite so i...
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. >> joining is senator kamala harris' communications director lily adams. good morning, lily. >> hey, good morning. good to be with you. happy july 4th. >> thank you. you, too. great to have you on this post-july 4th morning. so today, it sounds as though senator kamala harris' position and former v.p. biden's position on bussing is not as different as we thought it was on the debate stage. is senator harris, does she believe in federal mandates for bussing or not? >> she said she believed that in 1969 and nine 70 when she was -- 1970 when she was bussed to school that federally bussing was amemanned mori. most -- was mandatory. most agree. when she was in indianola, in iowa, is that now we're in 2019, not 1969 thank goodness, so we need new tools now. i will say vice president biden seems to stand by his opposition to bussing from back in 1969. i couldn't really tell from his interview. it seemed like chris was trying to pin him down. but that is a fundamental, you know, point of disagreement on his record that senator harris highlighted in the debate. and
. >> joining is senator kamala harris' communications director lily adams. good morning, lily. >> hey, good morning. good to be with you. happy july 4th. >> thank you. you, too. great to have you on this post-july 4th morning. so today, it sounds as though senator kamala harris' position and former v.p. biden's position on bussing is not as different as we thought it was on the debate stage. is senator harris, does she believe in federal mandates for bussing or not? >>...
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. >> harris: that's what adam schiff said! that it was going to feel like he was brought to life read by robert mueller. by the way, he wouldn't even read his own report. he said, "no, you can read it." >> leslie: yesterday i root for foxnews.com, that the 448 page report was the book. they don't like to read as much they like to go to the movies. robert mueller was the star. he didn't get the academy will tell my reward. >> harris: makes me wonder how those mock things went. eric swalwell wouldn't say who's playing in. but he said robert de niro wasn't. he was kind of funny and snarky about it. i wonder how it went. >> dagen: not how it clearly when yesterday. the democrats should be ashamed of themselves. they're craven, irrational blood lust for president trump led them to interrogate a man -- i think he's 7475 years of age, who was struggling with his comprehension, couldn't understand questions or couldn't hear questions. whispers, particularly after his statement made in late may about bob mueller, the whispers going on
. >> harris: that's what adam schiff said! that it was going to feel like he was brought to life read by robert mueller. by the way, he wouldn't even read his own report. he said, "no, you can read it." >> leslie: yesterday i root for foxnews.com, that the 448 page report was the book. they don't like to read as much they like to go to the movies. robert mueller was the star. he didn't get the academy will tell my reward. >> harris: makes me wonder how those mock...
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harris is here to introduce to one program thatlp he wounded warriors in the of golf. >> pat and adam, not all injuries sustained in war are e physical oren obvious. likes to freedom was created to support veterans and their families who are dealing with issues that hastoss do with ptsd orimmissing l. they build a new skill and build hat w community and find they can even save their own lives. link to freedom. is week's harris' heros. >> this may look like just a couple of guys warming up for a day on the greens and likes to freedom is so much more than golf. just askry tired first sergeant tony henrik. >> because we're there to just help any injured service member. gol star family members. >> this combat veteran served in both operation ses earth storm and enduring freedom and when he came home he learned that being tough couldn't erase what he saw. n soldiers in his battal died. >> emotional-wise. i was in a d place because i lost a lot of soldiers. >> links toreedom helps wounded warriors and their family. the wounded warrior golf program was started in 2008. ai and then i spt a lo
harris is here to introduce to one program thatlp he wounded warriors in the of golf. >> pat and adam, not all injuries sustained in war are e physical oren obvious. likes to freedom was created to support veterans and their families who are dealing with issues that hastoss do with ptsd orimmissing l. they build a new skill and build hat w community and find they can even save their own lives. link to freedom. is week's harris' heros. >> this may look like just a couple of guys...
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adam klotz, thank you very much. by phone i want to bring in ricky boyett, spokesperson for the u.s. army corps of engineers. i understand you are in new orleans right now. are you with me? >> yes, ma'am. how are you? >> harris: i'm okay. i'm worried about you at all the people around you, and a whole lot of water! >> sure. we are seeing a unique situation. we had a very unprecedented year, as you are talking, with the mississippi river flooding. we've been in a flood since november. now we look at a potential of a search to also contribute to that river elevation. >> harris: wow. to hear you put it that way, you've been in a flood fight since november. the ground is already saturated coming into the storm. it's not wind-driven, it is rainfall. what have the last few days been like getting people out of the way? >> what we've been really focusing on is that elevation. its height. we are looking at what's going to happen if the river gets the 19 feet. fortunately, in our modeling, we are not showing overtopping. our s
adam klotz, thank you very much. by phone i want to bring in ricky boyett, spokesperson for the u.s. army corps of engineers. i understand you are in new orleans right now. are you with me? >> yes, ma'am. how are you? >> harris: i'm okay. i'm worried about you at all the people around you, and a whole lot of water! >> sure. we are seeing a unique situation. we had a very unprecedented year, as you are talking, with the mississippi river flooding. we've been in a flood since...
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that's why kamala harris was so powerful in that first debate. the prosecutor in her came out. and you could see for the first time on the national stage how she could be somebody to go toe to toe. >> this is starting to come out. we're fighting this war, democrats, on multiple front, right? congress has its role, legal authority. the folks that got elected in 2018 who had this mandate to really check donald trump, we'll certainly hear it from their constituents. the candidates are now presenting a positive vision of what they can do. even just one day of mueller hearings, if you saw that, one day of congressional hearings had him tweeting like he was crazy. it certainly is destabilizing. and a trick for democrats is to maintain that destabilization of trump while also doing a positive message. >> i love michelle obama, it's no longer they go lee -- they go low, we do whatever we have to do. and i'm concerned the more we kind of dig backwards with mueller, the more we play there, we can't go to the kind of warfare. >>> a plea to candidates, rome is burning. all right, joy, i'm
that's why kamala harris was so powerful in that first debate. the prosecutor in her came out. and you could see for the first time on the national stage how she could be somebody to go toe to toe. >> this is starting to come out. we're fighting this war, democrats, on multiple front, right? congress has its role, legal authority. the folks that got elected in 2018 who had this mandate to really check donald trump, we'll certainly hear it from their constituents. the candidates are now...
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joe biden looked old and slow and reticent and kamala harris came right adam and every point she made was forceful and people respond to that and it is difficult, just judging off of that first debate performance and there will be plenty of them. joe biden did not look like somebody who is ready to step in that ring with donald trump the way that kamala harris looked. host: did you happen to see the interview with president-elect donald trump? she asked him can you be presidential and he said i can be very presidential. fast forward to where we are today. guest: what is fascinating is many republicans i spoke with in the 48 hours after election day, some of whom had been outspoken critics of donald trump during the campaign and some of whom were watching his victory speech that night through the slits in their fingers, they were relieved at what they heard. i report in the book that donald trump initially did not have a victory speech written because he was not expecting to win. with a came out on stage hastily written victory speech, his own advisors were a bit surprised because when
joe biden looked old and slow and reticent and kamala harris came right adam and every point she made was forceful and people respond to that and it is difficult, just judging off of that first debate performance and there will be plenty of them. joe biden did not look like somebody who is ready to step in that ring with donald trump the way that kamala harris looked. host: did you happen to see the interview with president-elect donald trump? she asked him can you be presidential and he said i...
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and that congressman john adams signed it and that criminalized criticizing your government. >> but it was overturned by thomas jefferson. >> harris: we have to ease back into a 2019 because we've got a lot of breaking news. i promise to bring you back. we will move on. >> okay. we have ticket to puerto rico right now with breaking news. a massive protest as the governor has refused to resign over his private chat messages. president trump also weighing in just moments ago, my report from san juan. in the president surprising newlyweds at his golf club and resort. the happy couple joins me next. (woman) somebody would ask her something and she would just walk right past them because she didn't know they were talking to her. (deborah) i just could not hear. i was hesitant to get the hearing aids because of my short hair, but nobody even sees them. (avo) our nearly invisible hearing aids are just one reason we've been the brand leader for over 70 years. (deborah) when i finally could hear for the first time, i started crying. i could hear everything. (avo) call 1-800-miracle to start you
and that congressman john adams signed it and that criminalized criticizing your government. >> but it was overturned by thomas jefferson. >> harris: we have to ease back into a 2019 because we've got a lot of breaking news. i promise to bring you back. we will move on. >> okay. we have ticket to puerto rico right now with breaking news. a massive protest as the governor has refused to resign over his private chat messages. president trump also weighing in just moments ago, my...
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harry: right. andy can add the extra vantage , knowing the director very well or having seen him testify, and not to mention, being on the hot seat probably more times you can count. so given the kind of -- when i said he was a tough witness, it is not just that he will be well prepared, but it is a real dilemma, you know, whether you have to wear kid gloves or not, given who he is. what do you think would count as a victory, all things considered, for the judiciary majority at this point? andrew: you know, i agree matt. i think the committee should roll into this hearing with a purpose of communicating the substance of the report in the broadest and most accessible way to the american public as they can. forget about articles of impeachment. forget about what the vote count will be in the senate. the idea here is to get the information in that report which was presented in a legalistic and dense way, communicated in a very clear and simple way. i think the way you do that is by setting the ground
harry: right. andy can add the extra vantage , knowing the director very well or having seen him testify, and not to mention, being on the hot seat probably more times you can count. so given the kind of -- when i said he was a tough witness, it is not just that he will be well prepared, but it is a real dilemma, you know, whether you have to wear kid gloves or not, given who he is. what do you think would count as a victory, all things considered, for the judiciary majority at this point?...
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adam schiff says at the hearing mueller will bring the report to life. he -- that indicating it maybe no more that's already written, that people can get for free on a pdf online. and he is just going to bring it to life. what does that mean? is that like a dramatic reading? >> it means most americans, like the people i grew up with and see on the weekends when i go home, they are taking their kids to school, going to work, feeding the family. >> harris: we are all doing that. >> we are in washington. you and i knew the four corners of this report. for most people, tomorrow is the first time they ever hear bob mueller's voice. we can't just assume most americans never happen. i would say we have to frame this in a way that they are learning for the first time from someone who had a front row seat to all of these witnesses. >> harris: among some of the things that we learned when we read it are those first 40 pages or so of what the russians did, as he points out. which should be our focus because we have another election coming up. also there was no evid
adam schiff says at the hearing mueller will bring the report to life. he -- that indicating it maybe no more that's already written, that people can get for free on a pdf online. and he is just going to bring it to life. what does that mean? is that like a dramatic reading? >> it means most americans, like the people i grew up with and see on the weekends when i go home, they are taking their kids to school, going to work, feeding the family. >> harris: we are all doing that....
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many didn't know about kamala harris until thursday night. she got $2 million net 24 hours after walking off the stage in miami and more than half of that, 58%, came from new donors. the hero's communications director billy adams says about the campaign, "we have momentum." julian castro think he's got lightning and a bottle. on the first night of the first batch of debates, he was the first want to push for decriminalizing border crossings, sharply challenging beto o'rourke on that issue. democratic primary voters apparently liked what they saw because the castro campaign says they raised 3266% more the day of the debate in the day after the two days prior. castro came to texas to try to continue growing his support. he is in 11th place in the entire field with 0.8% support in the real clear average. he's got about 200 people here to hear him out in texas right behind us. >> melissa: thank you so much. senator kamala harris' campaign capitalizing after she called out former vice president biden's record on race at the democratic debate on th
many didn't know about kamala harris until thursday night. she got $2 million net 24 hours after walking off the stage in miami and more than half of that, 58%, came from new donors. the hero's communications director billy adams says about the campaign, "we have momentum." julian castro think he's got lightning and a bottle. on the first night of the first batch of debates, he was the first want to push for decriminalizing border crossings, sharply challenging beto o'rourke on that...
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let's play a little tape of lily adams, the communications director for senator kamala harris talking about the issue itself, the divide between the vice president and the senator. >> i can't speak to why he was or wasn't prepared, that's for him and his team to decide and to explain. about what she was pointing out was a very real disagreement on the record in the is what a presidential debate is. it's to decide who has the record, who has the ideas, who has the vision to lead the party against this -- against donald trump. >> susan, she's talking about a very real disagreement in these intervening days since that debate, how real is the disagreement sbr it's n disagreement? >> it's not that real as we learned yesterday -- i guess it's only friday, holiday weekend, that senator harris believes that busing should be used as a tool. she said it's one of the options that we had and we should take advantage of every option available in our education system. okay. but really for both them it's time for them to stop talking about it. talk about your current education plan, what you want to
let's play a little tape of lily adams, the communications director for senator kamala harris talking about the issue itself, the divide between the vice president and the senator. >> i can't speak to why he was or wasn't prepared, that's for him and his team to decide and to explain. about what she was pointing out was a very real disagreement on the record in the is what a presidential debate is. it's to decide who has the record, who has the ideas, who has the vision to lead the party...
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and then the atlantic's adam harris talks about his piece on the college graduation gap between those living in rural and urban areas in the u.s.. and centennial institute director jeff hunt joins us to talk about the state of conservatism in the u.s., and the western conservative summit. washington journal, live at 7:00 a.m. eastern saturday morning. join the discussion. >> this month marks the 50th anniversary of apollo 11, mann's first landing on the moon and a stillll shows there is widespread interest in the event. neil armstrong and buzz aldrin continue to enjoy broad name recognition, greater even than more recent astronauts like sally ride and mark calley, and nearly three quarters of americans said they either watched the event leave on tv or saw footage later. but the poll also shows there is little interest to return to the moon. we spoke with florida today space reporter rachel choi about the findings. headline is, americans support nasa, overwhelmingly have a positive view of nasa, a return,ew think manned mission to the moon is a priority. >> is that number a surprise to
and then the atlantic's adam harris talks about his piece on the college graduation gap between those living in rural and urban areas in the u.s.. and centennial institute director jeff hunt joins us to talk about the state of conservatism in the u.s., and the western conservative summit. washington journal, live at 7:00 a.m. eastern saturday morning. join the discussion. >> this month marks the 50th anniversary of apollo 11, mann's first landing on the moon and a stillll shows there is...