i mean, to yamiche's point, the idea of the big lie as kind of a campaign issue, as a cultural issue in the republican party, has worked its way all the way down from former president trump to state legislators to congressional candidates. it is everywhere. and that's what the next crop of republican lawmakers in both house and possibly senate are going to look like. so this isn't going anywhere in the capitol. >> and, brandy, look, you spent a lot of time covering miss information. this is -- this is so embedded. paint a picture for us now in this misinformation firehose that the right is getting. >> i mean, it's an interesting time to study misinformation because what we saw in the run-up to 2020 was trump create this sort of not just a pipeline, which is how we had been used to seeing, but sort of a feedback loop, which was where he primed his base that the election would be rigged, and then he literally sent out a call to his digital soldiers, which is what he called people on the internet, to sort of throw spaghetti at the wall, to choose your own adventure of misinformation or

yamiche alcindor, the moderate of "washington week" on pbs. nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent, garrett haake. johan goldberg, editor in chief of the dispatch, and nbc news senior reporter brandy zadrozny, who reports on misinformation for us. jonah, i want to start with you 'cause i want you to help translate for some viewers that may be frustrated, shaking their head about the peter meijer interview and this idea that, well, the republican party may be stuck with trump and, well, the democrats are polarizing us too and that's -- you know, what about this, what about that. is that any way to get trump out of our democratic cross hairs? >> not necessarily. i substantially agree with some of what meijer said. i think one way to think about this is that we have elite failure in this country. and the failure of republican elites is pretty fricking obvious at this point. they've been feeding themselves one bite at a time to the trump alligator for five years. they've wrecked their reputation in all sorts of ways and their legacy in all sor