"firing line" and since the time you were the head of the yale political union. how has your political journey, starting with the right -- how has it progressed? >> bill and i used to joke about this. the last time i saw him, we went sailing off the coast of connectic, and he was very generous, personally, and he would never try to needle you, but he started to tease me about it. and i said to him, "look, i think the best and most honest answer would be this. i have changed a certain amount, but the right has also changed a fair amount. i would argue that the right has changed more than i have." and he said to me, "that's a fair point." and he felt the right -- by the end of his life, he felt that the right had changed a lot, as well. look, i came to this country as an immigrant. i was very fervently anti-communist because i grew up in india and i'd seen real-life communists and communism. i liked ronald reagan's muscular anti-communism. and that was the defining issue. i was always socially very liberal, but it never seemed important at the time. it just wasn't