and what is sherman's talked about today, because i said the russian responsibility is to prove that it is that they are not going to escalate the situation that term and said that it is russia's responsibility at the more that's the story is described as we are a witnessing now, and especially folks, and you said sherman, that russia is not going to attack, how will you approve it? because you say there is no trap from you to the american. so americans don't trust russia either and questioned out around there were some rumors that there could be some agreements regarding the iranian nuclear program. so some sanctions can believe to the by the us from we ran can you with a confirmed that some progress has been made in this regard? they are but they know what process i will start from the last question to go. what are the talking in vienna earlyhood, so they are going to chance and we're seeing the chance achieve the job to find an agreement applying to. and what about the, what is, what do you present lucia within the framework? the address around of what happened before 6 rounds, be

now, this is a situation where sherman says, the u. s. is very steadfast, that it is opposed to an invasion of ukraine, although it was not specifically discussed at monday's meeting. she did say that the u. s. is trying to find a way to resurrect the intermediate term missile a treaty, that the u. s. and others say that the russians have a broken by stationing on min medium range missiles around its territory aimed at western europe. been. she also said that one thing is not going to change the idea that nato is not going to open its membership to countries that want to be members . she said that would be infringing on those countries right? to decide how to conduct their foreign policy. she did say there's a lot of work to do, but this is just the beginning and whether the russians are trying to basically create a situation to justify an invasion of ukraine. she said, well, we'll just have to see what they're actually doing yet just to focus on that more rosalind. i mean, as you said, no talk or other countries joining nato. of course,

we welcome wendy sherman, the u.s. deputy secretary of state, and the diplomat who led the most recent talks with the russian federation. welcome, and also welcome my fellow board members. united states plays a key role in protecting the principles of international law, and for the right of every nation to choose their own way into the future. secretary sherman, what can you tell ukrainians and europeans, what is our way forward? sec. sherman: thank you so much. really, did an extraordinary job as president of your country. thank you for that warm welcome and kindly agreeing to serve as our moderator for today's discussion. i am looking forward to our conversation. i also want to thank yalta european security for hosting this virtual event. and to acknowledge the chairman of your board, former polish president. for nearly two decades yas, has been an important form for building ties between the ukraine, the united states, and the wider world, and organizing substantive conversations like this one today. last week secre

good morning, congressman sherman. my question is, or my feeling is, ipo have been watching the ukraine situation d over the la month or so, and to me, it is the most important issue of the day. thes filibuster, the january 6, it's all noise compared to this. and whatc. i'm seeing is presidt biden slow walking us into a confrontation with russia, which could beti catastrophic. and he's making some mistakes. i think one big mistake was to announce whatce his sanctions would be, and not realizing that if he imposes sanctions, the price of gas in america will probably triple. and so what is he thinking when he's going to put hardships on the american people to combat russia? i just think he's making blunder after blunder. he's going to back himself into a corner, and what has he got to do exceptt fight? i'm really just really concerned about the ukraine issue. and i just don't see president biden doing anything positive right now to avoid it. >> all right, john. congressman usherman. >>>> well, biden didn't wake up one da

but you've seen just this enormous outreach to the europeans by wendy sherman and by other us officials to keep talking to the europeans. right up until the last minute they walked into those bilateral talks. then wendy sherman came to brussels yesterday and spent all day debriefing. nato allies, debriefing european union officials meeting with the top leadership in the e. u, as well as in nato, even before heading into these nato. russia talks now. so the u. s. is definitely trying to keep true to its word that it won't discuss anything about europe without europe, anything about ukraine without ukraine. we just had 4 years of the trump administration, wanting to disengage with nato getting, if you will, chummy with russia, they have that left in the permanent scars, that needa i think it has. and just this, this outreach, i mean honestly, almost too much outreach. it sometimes seem like you know, more than 100 meetings or something like this. this is partly a legacy of the trump administration, where the europeans had no clue from day to day, except by looking at twitter, what the u.

not nita went out nato, wendy sherman speaking. there, nato is scheduled to have its own sit down with russia this coming wednesday here to expectations are low and the talks will take place without ukraine at the table . now the fact that the kremlin insists on bilateral talks with the biden administration 1st. and then 2nd talks with nato. it does not help the situation today. ukraine's deputy prime minister made it clear on which side of the g o strategic divide they want to be the euro. atlantic integration is enshrined in our constitution and supported by the majority of ukrainian citizens. it's not a subject to negotiation or bargaining aggressor is not in a position to put conditions until the russian tanks is out of ukrainian border. while at the border, ukrainian soldiers have literally dug in their positions with russian troops just kilometers away. take a look at this. this is recent footage from the don't ask region, the front line of ukraine's 8 year conflict with pro russian separatist in these muddy trenches. there's

s. diplomat, wendy sherman. she described that today's talks as constructive, but she said there were no breakthroughs of ukraine or any future security arrangements in eastern europe. we will not allow any one that slam closed nato's open door policy, which has always been central to dando alliance. we will not wear go bilateral cup cooperation with sovereign state that which to work with united states. and we will not make decisions about ukraine without refrain about europe without your birth. not, nita went out nato. wendy sherman's speaking there. now neither was scheduled to have its own sit down with russia this coming wednesday here to expectations are low and the talks will take place without ukraine at the table. now, the fact that the kremlin insists on bilateral talks with the biden administration 1st. and then 2nd talks with nato. it does not help the situation today. ukraine's deputy prime minister made it clear on which side of the geo strategic divide they want to be. the euro. atlantic integrati

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this just happened in the last hour or so, and this is from wendy sherman, who's the under secretary of state to actually lead the us delegation talks in geneva early this week as well as she was at those talks in native today, i was told that she made was quite interesting. she said the u. s. family wants to reassure that its stance is nothing about he without you. whether that's ukraine, whether that's europe. well, that's nato. an interesting point. given stilton burke had already said that ukraine was one of the major discussions of the day, despite the fact that ukraine wasn't in those discussions, a very confusing message coming that potentially from the under secretary of state . she also, once again accused russia of aggression saying, the countries building up troops on the bully that continues at something we also heard from you in stilton berg too, and said that russia and she's preparing to invade. this is something that has been denied over an overt by russia. however, russia has said what it needs to deescalate the tensions that is surrounding many different issues, par

that's more important than, than an event and understand the perspective from their sharing people to sherman government. but australian government and the victorian government should have been clear on what is going to happen beforehand. and i think it's not very fair to 4 person to come here and not be able to play. i yeah, i think that all this could have been avoided like we like, we've all done by getting vaccinated and doing all the things we had to do to come here in australia because everybody knew very clearly that the rules the united states is warning that russia is preparing possible sabotaged efforts in ukraine that could justify potential new invasion. us intelligence officials say moscow would then blame the government in kiev as a pretext to launch new attacks against the country. it comes after a week of talks between russia and the west, failed to diffuse a tense situation that began with russia, began massing troops on ukraine's border. here's pentagon spokesman john kirby. we have information that they preposition, a group of operatives to conduct what we call a false flag

now we have the problem of ukraine tend to, they're extremely high and it's clear according to wendy sherman and her press conference yesterday, that nato is not willing to shut the door. they're going to maintain their open door policy. and it's up to countries that they really want to apply to nato, that they're leaving the door open. and this is something that president putin has been clear that he was a treaty outlining that neither ukraine nor ga could ever join nato. so this is something i don't know how they're going to get around. so this is kind of an intractable point right now. and many analysts have wondered, did put, make these maps melissa request to see how much he would get in return. so this is a rose and clear about what put in his doing. he has it. we have fallen if, if his demands include all you other countries that join nato was 1987 would have to leave. and so in many respects what he is doing by surrounding you came with a 100000 soldiers. some haven't seen that as black mel trying to get negotiations, but others in russia feel that finally were being heard. so it rem

well, the deputy secretary of state wendy sherman, was not going to say that this meeting this 8 hour long meeting with us sergey rubicon, and his delegation was a success. she did say that the conversations were frank were blunt, aware, quite forthright. and that both sides o spelled out their concerns. now the question, according to deputy secretary sherman, is whether the russians will take up the americans offer to try to talk more to try to continue these discussions. what did not come up was the question of what to do about ukraine, except for the russian a vowel that it wasn't going to invade that country. she essentially said that we'll have to see what happens. and as far as all these big issues are concerned, it is the realization that we think rose on the part of both sides. that if they break down the big issues in some senses, it might be easier to deal with individual issues one at a time. well i think that the u. s. certainly recognizes that all of these issues are distinct issues, even though they are all gonna conflated and certainly they are being conflated in the yo

this is a situation where sherman says the u.s. is steadfast that it is opposed to an invasion of ukraine, although it was not specifically discussed at the meeting. she did say the u.s. is trying to find a way to resurrect the intermediate missile treaty that the u.s. and others say the russians have broken by stationing medium-range missiles around its territory aimed at western europe. she also said that one thing is not going to change, the idea that nato is not going to open its membership to countries that want to be members. she said that would be infringing on those countries right to decide how to conduct their foreign policy. she said there is a lot of work to do, but this is just the beginning. whether the russians are trying to basically create a situation to justify an invasion of ukraine, she said we will have to see what they are actually doing. >> kimberly martin is professor of political science at bernard college. she says it is good that the sides are talking, but these meetings may not mean much to lowering tens

secretary of date wendy sherman will talk about the ukraine conflict. until then, the washington journal. >> a shot of the capitol in washington d.c. across washington, policy officials will gather at the walter washington convention center to talk about issues looking at automobiles and, in fact, it's their public policy day at the auto show. joining us to start a series of conversations with the auto show is john o'donnell, he's the president and ceo of the washington area new automobile dealers association, mr. donald, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> live now to a discussion with deputy secretary of state wendy sherman on the russian-ukraine conflict. this is live coverage on c-span2. >> the diplomates who led the most recent talks with the russian federation. madam secretary, welcome and welcome, also, in the name of my fellow board members. the united states for protecting the principles of international law and for the rights of every nation to choose their own way into the future. secretary sherman, what can you tell ukra

wendy sherman's assessment was that to the meetings on monday about 8 hours worth of talks. with the survey rubric coffin, his delegation were useful. they were frank heard language, they were of straightforward again wendy sherman's language. but she said this wasn't a negotiation. this was really the attempt. she said for the u. s. and for russia to take the measure of each other's concerns. sense of the meeting last summer, between president slide amir potent and joe biden. russia's president was claimed victorian defending neighboring kazakhstan from what he called a foreign backed uprising. more than a 160 people were killed during last week's antique government. protests, monica, when president daniel ortega has been sworn in for a 4th through his inaugurated comes in the u. s. on the you impose new sanctions on nicaraguan officials in response to novembers disputed election. the united nations held meetings and cartoon to find a way to end the political deadlock.

oh, interesting with zoom in our briefing with wendy sherman. it was all so what do you mean by d escalating on the border with ukraine? m. how? because after all these russian troops are in russia, is a russian troops in russia. how on earth can the west say, move your troops around when this is but it's, we're rushes to the us over the country. and when the showman, when pressed, was quite interesting, actually, because she said when she, when i talked about the escalation, she means returned the troops to barracks. and this is new, or tell us what exercises are on going and what their purposes russia. keep saying, these are just military exercises that are going on at the border that seem to be a bit a bit new from wendy sherman, that it's not necessarily a get the troops back to barracks or else, but actually be more transparent about what exactly those troops are up to share frequency with the latest from washington d. c. she had thank you. or meanwhile, russia's president has claimed victory in defending neighbor kazakhstan from what he ca

i have seen some of the readouts from deputy secretary of state wendy sherman. and we've been clear from the beginning, and president biden has been clear from the beginning, that russia has to deescalate. they have to pull back the forces that they've amassed along the ukrainian border. and if they take aggressive actions in terms of military invasion, that they will face very punishing sanctions. not only from the united states, but importantly, with our allies, because that multiplier effect on sanctions is so important. so you're right. this was sort of the opening day of back and forth. but the united states has been very clear that when it comes to the nato alliance, nobody is going to dictate. russia is not going to dictate to the united states, our allies, or other countries about who can join and who cannot. >> and you know, at the same time, what she's saying is they may have to pull back and go into their bare racks. they can't just stay on russian soil amassed in more than 100,000 in numbers with heavy equipment tanks and the like and say that is not

wendy sherman's assessment was that to the meetings on monday about 8 hours worth of talks. with the survey rubric coffin, his delegation were useful. they were frank heard language, they were of straightforward again wendy sherman's language. but she said this wasn't a negotiation. this was really the attempt. she said for the u. s. and for russia to take the measure of each other's concerns. since of the meeting last summer, between president slide amir potent and joe biden, russia's president has claimed victory in defending neighbor kazakstan from what he calls a foreign backed uprising, letting me put in, deployed russian troops to kazakhstan and his promised leaders of other ex soviet states that a moscow led military alliance would protect them to more than $160.00 people were killed during last week's antique government protests. a quoted me and mar, has sentenced the ousted leader, uncensored she to a further for years in jail. so she was on trial for illegally possessing walkie talkies and breaking corona virus restrictions. the sentence is on top of a 2 year jail

after seven hours of meeting, wendy sherman said the u.s. was willing to discuss limits to military exercises in eastern europe. russia's deputy foreign minister meanwhile claimed russia has no intention to invade ukraine. he made that claim, though, despite this. russia's buildup of more than 100,000 troops along the border with ukraine. a move that alarmed the u.s. and the nato allies. not to mention the ukrainians. our chief foreign correspondent spent time in the krenchs literally with ukrainian troops preparing for a potential russian invasion. >> ukrainians are welcoming 2022 by preparing for a possible russian invasion. digging new trenches by hand in the frozen earth. lined by mine fields, the trenches stremp for miles. defenses that have changed little since world war i. a ukrainian soldier says he'll fight to the end. but of the talks, he adds, my opinion is wars have always been resolved through diplomacy. we expect our leaders will solve these issues. maria, a forward scout, didn't see her four-year-old son for christmas, and may

sherman says the u.s. made clear to russia de-escalate the situation at the border or face severe sanctions. sherman refused to tip her hand, not going into any detail of what those sanctions might be. russian officials downplayed the potential invasion fool you got you in no way. do we plan or intend to, quote, unquote, attack ukraine? >> and all the arrangements regarding the combat readiness of the armed forces are made within our national territory. >> russia is amassing more than 100,000 troops near its border with ukraine and says they're there for training today. sherman says if that's true, then it's time to send those troops home. >> and they can prove. that, in fact, they have no intention idea the lighting and returning. >> the u.s. and its allies threatening the toughest sanctions yet against russia. an effort to head off what could be a widespread regional conflict triggered by a potential russian invasion a little today. ukrainian officials separately made their case in a meeting at nato head

host: congressman sherman? guest: biden did not wake up one day and say "let's have a crisis in the ukraine. putin woke up. those trips on the border are not biden's idea. that is putin's forces. biden very much does not want international distractions. his focus is on domestic policy. this is a crisis biden does not want. second, the idea that the gentleman mentions gas -- i assume he is talking about natural gas, because that is what we were talking about before. we don't import any natural gas from russia. in fact, the united states exports natural gas. and natural gas is a complicated and expensive thing to move from one continent to another. so -- it has to be liquefied, and that is an expensive process. so to think that we would ever import natural gas from russia, when we have so much natural gas in the united states that we are liquefying it and exporting it to asia, is -- now i will say this. if russia invades the ukraine -- that is not biden's idea. that is putin's idea. america has to respond. the le

, deputy secretary sherman, thank you very much. thanks for taking time to talk to us today. >> thank you, andrea. >> and squloining us now for reaction to that conversation with the deputy secretary, the admiral, formernateo supreme ally commander. and bill taylor, former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. welcome both. admiral, what the secretary just said is that they don't have to go across the border, that a cyber attack or continued provocation, misinformation, disinformation, stirring up the militias in the dombas region there's more that would also trigger sanctions, and she says the allies all 30 strong are absolutely rock solid. do you think that's true? >> i do. i feel the nato alliance, and this is based on my conversations with many sources in europe and also with ambassador smith and others, the alliance is completely aligned on this. the question is and you heard the ambassador use an interesting word, what about a hybrid attack? a hybrid attack is kind of a mix of conventional tanks, troops, missiles, armor and cyber propag

. >> deputy secretary of state wendy sherman today said the u.s. sees every indication russian president vladimir putin intends to use military force against ukraine. she made the remarks during a virtual discussion. hosted by -- european strategy. >> welcome to this online conversation cohosted with the foundation support ukraine's european perspective. ukraine -- free democratic process. kremlin has put striking demands to all of our russian could security concerns. russia said if the demands are not met it will consider military measures. it's totally understandable that ukraine feels it is a hostage. what can europe and the west do to protect ukraine's territorial integrity and also most importantly, ukrainian freedom to choose their own way echo we -- their own way? we welcome wendy sherman, the u.s. deputy secretary and a brilliant diplomat. welcome and welcome in the name of my fellow board members. the united states played a key role for protecting the principles of international law and for the right of every nation to choose their own way

when do sherman has had over hundreds debriefings before the nato meeting after the meeting with the russians about security in europe. so the europeans are happy. other nato members are happy. and so if you haven't had to make up for the deficit, for lack of trust in the trump administration. so i think that people almost feel over breach, but i think that they had to do this in order to reassure them. and, you know, i think there's a dictators dilemma going on here because we put, and we know, it least even in the soviet union, you had to pull up your, you had other people making decisions. but we see that the negotiators must go back physically to moscow to get new instructions there. they don't have the ability to negotiate at all. so they're just given, you know, the red lines they put in and then they have to try to give these speaking points. so i think that this really hampers the russian position. and it also creates a lot of concern for countries in eastern europe because their demand they're asking now is, as you pointed out, jen silverberg, they're asking for reassurance

any new members from washington. rosalind jordan has more on how american negotiators reacted wendy sherman's assessment was there to the meetings on monday about 8 hours worth of talks with the survey.

you heard deputy secretary sherman talk about two of them. one of them is reviving the intermediate nuclear forces agreement which president trump abandoned but the russians have violated and another was working out an agreement about where and when you would deploy troops on exercises making sure they're far from borders. but these are more tactical things and what the russians are really looking to do i get the sense is roll back the clock to at least 1997, maybe to 1990, so they have a spear of influence that is as broad or as close to as broad as what they have before the soviet union collapse. and i'm not sure the united states could help them with that. >> this meeting comes at an interesting point between two speeches from the president about the preservation of democracy. of course on the anniversary of the insurrection from one element talking about the former president, but then tomorrow he's going to be in atlanta to try to promote some movement on protection of voting rights. the president trying to promote democracy in eastern eu

. >> deputy secretary of state wendy sherman today said the u.s. sees every indication russian president vladimir putin intends to use military force against ukraine. she made the remarks during a virtual discussion. >> cohosted with the foundation . support ukraine's european perspective. totally understandable ukraine feels it as a hostage. what can europe and the west do to protect ukraine's territorial integrity and also most importantly, ukrainian freedom to choose their own way echo we are honored to welcome wendy sherman, the u.s. deputy secretary and a brilliant diplomat. welcome and welcome under in the name of my fellow board members. the united states played a key role for protecting the principles of international law and for the right of every nation to choose their own way into the future. what can you tell ukrainians and europeans today? what is our way forward? >> thank you so much. i love to say madam president. it is very exciting. someday we'll be able to say that in the united states. he did an extra in our job as president of y

deputy secretary sherman did not as well. reporter: what would it look like for the rugs to choose the diplomatic path? would they have to withdraw some deployed on the border at ukraine to have that more sustained engagement, or just not invading further? jen: there are 100,000 troops at the border now. returning those traps to the barracks, returning troops to the barracks, conveying to us their intention of doing that, certainly would easy ways to show the de--escalation. as i noted earlier, we see this as a path, as a set of three rounds of conversations. that will occur this week. as you've heard many of our national security officials state, but i will reiterate from here new york talks without -- about europe without europe. no talks about ukraine without ukraine. there's our -- that's our mentality. we are moving forward with the other two rounds of talks and discussion here but the action and the bellicose rhetoric came from the russians and they have the power to ede--escalate. reporter: going the president's trip t

i think there's a lot that can be negotiated about and deputy secretary wendy sherman has a long history of successfully negotiating with the russians. >> but these are all concessions, essentially, to russia, with nothing in return. was there something in 2014 that was possibly a mistake? i mean, should there not be more assistance to the ukrainians, so they can better defend themselves against russia, that has a history of wanting to go into ukraine, affect ukraine, invade ukraine. starve ukraine? >> yes. i mean, historically, they've starved ukraine going back to pre-world war ii, where millions of people have died. >> 1932, 1933. >> yes, exactly. and as you know, these russian hard-liners wrote a letter to the administration. jake sullivan reached out to them. the hard-liners want to give russians javelin missiles -- i mean, the ukrainians javelin missiles and stinger missiles and those kind of things to put off the russians. in the history of u.s./russian relations, they believe the only way to get russia to back down is to be incredibly aggressive. there are folks on the other side

the deputy secretary of state wendy sherman has been very clear that we will not close the door on ukraine's membership in nato. >> ambassador taylor, we will have to leave it there. but thank you so much. now to another part of the former soviet empire. kazakhstan where the authorities allege recent violence that claimed dozens of lives was an organized attack on the state. they blamed the unrest on armed extremists that they say were trained abroad. there is growing evidence a power struggle within kazakhstan's ruling elite may have fueled the violence. >> in a country the size of western europe, there is one question that people are struggling to answer. why? why was kazakhstan rocked by violence? the worst unrest since the fourth communism? outside the morgue, they are collecting bodies. dozens of people are thought to have been killed in the clashes. her brother was missing for a week and she now knows he is dead. so many innocent people suffered because of someone, she says. those that made us cry should be punished. why did they do it? in other words, why did peaceful protests over fu

wendy sherman's assessment was that the meetings on monday.

now of course, they have been meeting of face to face the deputy secretary, a, wendy sherman for the americans, sergey rubicon, the deputy foreign minister for the russians in geneva on monday are those meetings are still under way out, should be wrapping up. we think in the next couple of hours, but the real concern is trying to one figure out where they can actually try to deal with, with each other's demands. the u. s. does not want to see an invasion of ukraine, but it also does not want russia to continue other destabilizing activities, including its deployment of medium range missiles along its borders of facing western europe. as you noted, the russians want to the u. s. and nato to bassett, basically back away from la thereof, from the russian borders, and not at mit, any more countries, particularly those countries that used to be a part of the soviet union. staying with us story, little earlier, i spoke to pet true book of skill. he's a senior fellow at the democratic initiatives foundation in key if he explained to me what russia wants to achieve with these talks. i see yo

wendy sherman is just getting off a plane. she may have gotten off a plane in the last few hours. we will take stock of where we are, consult, then determine next steps. the russians will have to do the same. all i can tell you is as far as we are concerned, we are ready to move forward on diplomacy and we are ready to go down the other path. both of those, in my view, that question of which path is one that is facing us now. it is not facing us a year from now, it is facing us in the foreseeable future. >> [indiscernible] -- this massive amount of troops , is that something you can live with? will there be sanctions, less sanctions? >> we are trying to first determine and -- deter and prevent a possible massive russian invasion. if we end up in a circumstance, we will -- as it comes but i am not going to get into hypotheticals today. >> at this moment, are we in a position where the next step is reducing the troops on the borders of ukraine? is this the next thing that could happen that could satisfy the u.s. and allies? >> what do you mean? >> after the week we have had, what ar

secretary of state wendy sherman told you that russia is not backing down. tell us more. >> yeah, jake, the two sides appear no closer to a solution for defusing this crisis on the ukrainian border than they were before these talks even started. now we're hearing threats from the head of the russian delegation who told reporters after that meeting at nato today, quote, we'll take all necessary measures to fend off the threat by military means if it does not work out with political means. jake, who is threatening whom? it's not that ukraine is poised on the border with russia, about to invade them. it's the other way around. russia has 100,000 troops looking like they're about to invade ukraine. so the head of the u.s. delegation, deputy secretary of state wendy sherman told me there is no sign that after these talks russia looks like it's going to de-escalate. take a listen. >> there was no commitment to de-escalate, nor was there a statement that there would not be. what i think is very important and which i think russia heard loudly and clearly from all al