look, you remember, as do i, 1960, richard nixon lost. '62, he lost to pat brown for governor of california. '68, the new nixon came back and was re-elected. he was repositioned. and my argument is where the party has no deep bench. the president and vice president are increasingly discredited with the president down at 33% approval in the quinnipiac poll. secretary clinton and bill clinton offer a breath of fresh air, repositioning. and as i say with andrew stein in that piece, a possibility for change that no sorry democrat offers as we sit here today. >> so, you predict there will be some level of re-emergence after the 2024 -- pardon me, after the 2022 midterm election? i found that interesting. in other words, you don't think that she waits to be drafted after you floated this notion. you think she's going to go out and ask for the order? >> i suspect that the party will come to her. if the defeat as is historically large as i anticipate, that the party will come to her and she will answer their clarion call. michael, you know and i know where the country is. it's still a center/center