pallone, for his five minutes of questions. >> thank you, chairwoman eshoo. i just want to ask each of you to focus on the biden administration's frs proposal. there are many that are opposed to classified scheduling of fentanyl-related substances in the proposal the administration has put forward to congress. basically what would each of you say to those who have expressed concerns about why this proposal deserves their support and what happens if the current emergency scheduling order for fentanyl-related substances expires? i would like each of you to spend a minute or so answering that question, if you will. i guess i'll start with mr. milione. >> thank you. at dea we're focused on going after those that are causing this terrible harm in the country and helping those that are harmed. fentanyl, without a question, is the most significant drug threat that we're facing. it is much better to be proactive in dealing with this. these drugs are deadly. they are temporarily scheduled. we need to get them permanently scheduled so that when they are -- we can stop

. >> host: one other eshoo, i wanted to ask you if you have any thoughts about the unionization of the politics and prose bookstore here in washington. >> guest: well, i'm so close to everyone at politics and prose if, the owners as well as the staff, that i don't think i can really comment on it other than to really say i'm sure that those owners and staff and everyone working there, they all want to do the right thing and that they will. and i think there'll be an accommodation that'll be made all the way around to everyone's satisfaction and benefit. >> host: well, we can never have mitch kaplan on booktv without talking about what he's reading and some of the books that have caught his attention. mr. kaplan, you sent us your list ahead of time, and one of the books was one that was published, i think, in the 1920s, zora neale hurston, you don't know us negroes. >> guest: actually, this is new work by her. zora neale hurston actually worked in those days, but this is new work that's been uncovered. and i believe it's analogized for the very first time. it's very exciting, a new zora

good to see you, congresswoman eshoo. it's very clear platforms like facebook and instagram and as you just mentioned snapchat, youtube and others have designed features like the auto replay that we're all familiar with. three, two, one, you watch the next episode. they're designed to keep you there. as i mentioned in my opening remarks, this is an arm's race for attention. the basis of the business model for a number of the social media platforms. and what that does with younger minds, teens and younger children constantly get you to come back because you're being urged in very creative and strategic way by very sophisticated engineers to stay on that platform because they make more money. the core of the business model that is at stake here. the point made repeatedly and should be part of a legislation that this committee addresses is that you have to have transparency about the design and the algorithms. those are separate issues. i believe this committee is going to have a separate hearing next week that is going to g

eshoo for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you to the witnesses on this -- the second panel. this may be one of the longest hearings that the chairman has overseen and appreciate your patience because it's been a long day for you as well. to ambassador kornbluh, in your testimony -- and i asked this because you're a veteran of house intelligence committee. in your testimony you discuss the national security risks that are associated with an action on clarifying section 230 and you especially mention how terrorists use online platforms which is pretty chilling. can you tell us more briefly how terrorists use social media platforms. >> am i on now? yeah. thank you congressman, and thank you for your leadership on these issues. the families of victims of terrorist attacks by hamas, which is a u.s. designated foreign terrorist organization, they allowed hamas to promote content despite the fact that facebook's own terms and policies barred use by designated foreign terrorist organizations, that the attackers allegedly saw th

eshoo for five minutes. >> thank you for your courage. what you've done is a great act of public service. in the document you disclosed, set up to observe the platform's recommendations -- may be you can do this in a minute and a quarter or whatever. can you briefly tell us what the research found, as it relates to facebook's algorithms? leading users down rabbit holes of extremism? >> facebook has found over and over again, on the right hand on the left, with children, that you can take a blank account with no friends, no interests, in you can follow centrist interest and follow donald trump and millennia, you can follow fox news, you can follow in the roa -- you can follow hilary, and just m clicking on the content facebook's adjusts to you, facebook will get more and more extreme. on the left, you go in three weeks to let skill republicans. it's crazy. on the right, within a couple of days, qanon, white genocide. there is a facebook system amplifying, and it happens because the content is the content you are most likely to engage with.

eshoo for five minutes. >> thank you, mister chairman. let me start thanking miss haugen for your coverage coach in -- for. what you've done is a wheat act of -- public service. the document you disclosed relates to [inaudible] june. it's a project that facebook the, that researchers set up to observe the platforms recommendations [inaudible] [inaudible] so maybe you can do this in a minute and a quarter or whatever, but can you briefly tell us what the research found as it relates to facebook's algorithms, needing users down rabbit holes of extremism? >> has found over and over again on the right, on the left, children, that you can take a blank account, has no friends, has no interests, and you can follow those centrist interests. you can follow donald trump and melania. you can follow fox news. you can follow, you know, hillary and msnbc. and just by clicking on the content facebook suggests to you, facebook will get more and more and more extreme. so on the left, you go to, within three weeks, to that skill republicans. it's crazy. on