she's the deputy leader of the workers party of britain in author of the drive to war against russia and china. and here in moscow were joined by tony ewing. he is managing director, conquer risk capital, as well as advisory board member of our c investments. right, cross sack rules and the fact that means you can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciate the 1st thing i want to ask all of you and i want to, i'll start with jeffrey and in austin. what is the state of the economy as the pandemic is fading, of course, in different parts of the world. it's, there's different status for the pandemic. but as we it it, as it ebs here, where we stand here because the prognosis was the economy should roar once it was unlocked from the lock downs. now there's different opinions of where we're going, jeffrey. you 1st. it's not a lock on the lock downs and, and we're suffering those result broken supply chains, hold world, port clogged and the rest empty shelves, shortages high inflation and this, you know, an aggregate. but if you look at the individual sectors of construction or beef

and britain's secretary of state for defense and wallace asset is similar. being as well or not. you granted isn't a member states, and it is very unlikely that anyone is going to send troops. archie grant change russia. however, it's clear that biden's administration really wants to be close to europe if trump didn't really care much for your very muscular strength. and it would everything in every way could biden's administration was john nash. i'm mentioned that last year that as part of ministration sees europeans as these children who need to be protected. they need the u. s. pastor nash, and so they're going to be present in europe and you see for sure and just nuggets are going to ukraine. it's very unlikely that they would. okay. mary, would i want to go back to russia's core demands of that? we're a lead up to the summit here is that if the united states and other made the nato countries continue to supply lethal weapons, the ukraine, we have to expect because it's been telegraph for months now, rochelle will react, and that is why we had this meeting ok, i think the rus

so ukraine is the easiest part for the global britain to raise its voice because we know that it's all pilot is the total fos i a few months ago in prospect magazine. so yes, i think that united kingdom is trying to manage to constance for such actions like united states aiding the legal aid to ukraine in order to portray and justify these actions. regard is the fact that they are instead of bringing peace, a possibility of peace. also. busy finding some sort of an acceptable solutions full for both sides is just adding fuel to already very know the situation in the region. so also by referring to the a panelist, i would say that this is a live walk joe biden wants to have and it is more of the decline of the united states from spectrum on a position in the world that it's trying to portray it. so, and it's ability to strike is influenced in the world. so in this region, regardless the fact that a cure to others that it might need to then you play a role which no same person wants to have. but i think is a part of the psychological, informational. as we know it was, mary. a recent poll

there's nobody doing more to shut down in train to pipeline than the united states and britain. ok. so i mean, you can't take us seriously in diplomacy when they're making 2 different statements . basically the same speech, i mean it's totally inconsistent, like the level of duplicity is just off the charts. so it's, i can see it being very frustrating for a survey lever off russian diplomatic team to have any kind of meaningful negotiations or to, to know that you're going into negotiations. and the other parties already basically choosing of acting in bad faith before you even come to the table. so basically this diplomacy is finished at that point and what you have is this kind of media war, this bizarre parallel universe. it's been constructed by the u. s. media, they've been brought on the tele clinico now in the u. s. media during the rounds, the mayor of kiev, and they're saying vitality, are you going to physically stand up and fight those russians? when they come to sac? i mean, the idea that rush is going to march in and sac, he is just fantasy, but this is what passes for

in britain is to have some sort of a cyber incident, blame it on russia, and then throw down the hardest sanctions that you've ever seen. and basically declare this as ritual war, but as love rob said, if they're going to lay down a new raft of sanctions like this, that will be the equivalent from moscow's position of basically a break in diplomatic relations. that serious dots are prelude to actual war, or it puts you into a hard cold war setting and nobody wants that to happen. but it seems like that's the direction things are being pushed. so we'll see. yeah, i mean, let's say, i mean i have to agree with tactic. i mean essentially there is, there's 2 tracks here. and you train is turned into a wonderful headache that the russians have been generated by western united states and the u. k. and just constantly boiling, having the grain boiling, or plan being, it wasn't get to a certain point. they just wanted to know russia out of europe altogether. and that's why they're thinking about this all energy situation, because that's, that's the weak link and all this week, there are reports

i mentioned australia already britain, the netherlands is just come back into lockdown. and all these things i think, show they bring to the surface trends, which perhaps we haven't properly taken the count off before. and one of those trends, there are many of them. one of them is short termism. you mentioned incompetence. peter, in your, in one of your questions, i think that's a very big problem. i think we all go up and buy by fools by chances, by opportunists, by people who come into power without having any real sense of the responsibilities . and these people have been taking the can down the road for a very long time. as we all know, all our states will, our countries are heavily indebted. and yet, the repayment is always, as i say, kicked down the line to all these things have been building up slightly on to the surface. but with this sudden explosion of totalitarianism that's i think is, is what you said. because it shows the extent of all decline, it brings it into focus. it brings into focus the fact that what people want now is not freedom. they don't want,

we've seen a number of red lines cross in britain, in austria, in france, in greece, in germany. where all kinds of fundamental rights and liberties have been brushed aside. i know they were brushed aside originally in 2020, but it's now clear that we are living through a, a sort of ratchet effect, where each new restriction paved the way each restriction papes the way for a new one. and on the international level, we obviously have this again, rather unreal world just as the cobra world is so unreal and doesn't make sense and doesn't, doesn't that out we have this, you know, within a few months of the defeat of the united states and its allies, after a 20 year, not even war, but a 20 year sort of anti insurgency operation, which failed. we see nato carrying on as if nothing had happened. they took the united states and they've just changed the name of the city they want to defend. it's not cobble anymore, but t f. and they're rushing out tensions at a time when it's obvious that they can't win any was anywhere. whether they're in the hindu kush or in the pine plains of central e

and particularly in the us and britain where the, the ruling class in periods have been particularly strong. and on the offensive though, they've been, the working class has been in a period of war, aykl, defeat and retreat. and i think we're coming to the bottom of that now things are starting to turn around again. and you know, the crisis and the situation at workers find themselves in is changing that. but for their to be pushed back, i'm gonna say something which isn't going to be popular with the rest of, of your a panel, i'm sure. but the working class needs to be organized, we knew were in the working class organization. the loss of trust, i think is a good thing. we shouldn't trust in people who are our enemies. the fact is, there are 2 great classes in society and the interests are diametrically opposed. you know, what happens to profits when wages go up, profits go down. what happens when profits go up? we've seen a wage is go down. so we have to understand that that is the way that the capitalist system works, but it doesn't and cannot deliver for the mass of the people, w

yeah, well that was the arguments coming out of britain as well. that when they were making the argument that we shouldn't, you know, binding to the russian narrative, they were specifically referring to the europeans that they're starting to repeat, the russian propaganda. but again, propaganda or misuse. we're doing all this. i mean, with propaganda. you have the intentional framing of any conflict, then a very common technique, for example, it's use very simple binary framing. and this is what need to propaganda is, which is suggesting the only solutions to this is either we have an expansion or we have a russian serv influence in your brain. and this and you know, so we have to choose this are to, this is how are become this work. and this is and it's so ridiculous which is why a lot of this discussions have been very dishonest because most of the comprise of slogans aim towards an uninformed public rather than making any common sense. i mean, surely there are a 3rd option here. ross is not that doesn't have the capabilities or intention to exc

i'm joined by my guest. georgie brower in bristol, she is deputy leader of the workers party of britain as well as the author of the drive to war against russia. in china and in paris we cross the john laughlin, he's a university lecturer in history and political philosophy or across soc rules and effect. that means he can jump in anytime you want. and i always appreciate, john, let me go to you 1st and in paris, i'm how did the neo liberal project neo liberalism and is as an ideology fair in 2021. because i would say did very, very poorly as it should because it's an ideology that is collapsing all around is in every facet, every facet. it touches go ahead, john. while i thing 2021 was the year in which the well deletes. but i'm not sure that i would call them the liberal consolidated their grip on power. i'm thinking of course of the, the beginning of the year when trump was evicted from the white house and replaced by jo biking, who is an expression. perfect expression of those leads and of their grip on towel . but if i question the use of the word neo liberal, which i don't think d

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