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as white house press secretary, you made multiple public statements from the white house in elsewhere in reported fraud in the november 2020 election, the individuals that attacked the capitol echoed on january, six you are with trump -- and popped in and out to join mr. trump as he watched the attack on the u.s. capitol later that afternoon. the chairman of the january six committee, that just issued those subpoenas, benny thompson in mississippi, joins me now. congressman. says a large group of folks just in the last few, days it seems to represent, an investigation that is both moving quite quickly and expanding. to sort of take down the totality on the run up to january six. how would you characterize where you are in your investigation? >> first of all, thanks for having me chris, what i would tell you is we are in the midst of following the facts and circumstances, that got us to january six. the 16 individuals we have subpoenaed, this week, have knowledge as to what occurred before january six, as well as what occurred on january six. a lot of it is in the public domain. some o
as white house press secretary, you made multiple public statements from the white house in elsewhere in reported fraud in the november 2020 election, the individuals that attacked the capitol echoed on january, six you are with trump -- and popped in and out to join mr. trump as he watched the attack on the u.s. capitol later that afternoon. the chairman of the january six committee, that just issued those subpoenas, benny thompson in mississippi, joins me now. congressman. says a large group...
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when they got their guy in the white house, they worked out a deal to turn those documents over. you know what they found? neither do i. it's really unclear what got turned over, if anything. one thing for sure, we have not heard a peep out of republicans about fast and furious since. vanished gone. joining me is eric holder, the chair of the national democratic redistricting committee. mr. holder, i want to start on this question of executive privilege. your understanding of the law. part of the reason i think that it's really interesting to talk to you is, obviously, congressional majorities can be -- have all sorts of people seeking all sorts of things. there's some real important things here that are larger than party. what do you think about the invocation of this by an ex-president? >> it's unprecedented. the notion is that an ex-president can invoke executive privilege and especially with regard to people who are not on his staff like bannon is inconsistent with the law. the privilege has always been with the person who sits in the office. it goes as the district court sai
when they got their guy in the white house, they worked out a deal to turn those documents over. you know what they found? neither do i. it's really unclear what got turned over, if anything. one thing for sure, we have not heard a peep out of republicans about fast and furious since. vanished gone. joining me is eric holder, the chair of the national democratic redistricting committee. mr. holder, i want to start on this question of executive privilege. your understanding of the law. part of...
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we know at the game was, here signal from the white house that i've suspected pence to do its. bidding that's why donald trump owes up there. pinning a target on his, back that's why he tweeted. and it's something to give the bare minimum credit, that pence is due. and those are not the only reason developments we got from the coup crew. carl also reports that fox host, maria -- a staunch trump ally, who used her shows during this period to platform the most ridiculous of trump's lawyers. was a true believer in the stolen election conspiracy. at least according to the reporting, according to the book she abandoned any -- reportedly calling bill barr, demanding he stop the steal. quote barr told carl on the record, she called me up and she was screaming, i yield back at her. she has lost it. that is a tough thing to hear from bill barr. the attorney general who, blur the lines between the doj, in the white house to a dangerous degree. and pursued trump's fantasy, the same bill barr who in the run up to the 2020 election, worked to sow doubt about the ballots. even that bill barr
we know at the game was, here signal from the white house that i've suspected pence to do its. bidding that's why donald trump owes up there. pinning a target on his, back that's why he tweeted. and it's something to give the bare minimum credit, that pence is due. and those are not the only reason developments we got from the coup crew. carl also reports that fox host, maria -- a staunch trump ally, who used her shows during this period to platform the most ridiculous of trump's lawyers. was a...
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the white house when michael flynn was national security adviser. when flynn was fired or resigned, or whatever he did, he then worked for hr mcmaster. but mcmaster cannot stand him. assuring him out he's then resurfaced. dhs. he ended up at the pentagon in the last administration. in the last year of the trump presidency and was looked on as, this is a guy they've known. they've dealt with before. because he has the intel background but he was definitely viewed as a trump guy. in the end, by the time we got to the craziness between november and january, as cohen like many others, including to a certain extent, the new defense secretary -- acting defense secretary, chris miller -- found themselves in a situation where they're basically trying to -- >> say no. >> push back the real out their claims from michael flynn, who used to be viewed as just your traditional general. and went down that rabbit hole as you suggested. and the sidney powell on the whole gina haspel being kidnapped -- i just know -- i can't even get my head around. that >> i can't e
the white house when michael flynn was national security adviser. when flynn was fired or resigned, or whatever he did, he then worked for hr mcmaster. but mcmaster cannot stand him. assuring him out he's then resurfaced. dhs. he ended up at the pentagon in the last administration. in the last year of the trump presidency and was looked on as, this is a guy they've known. they've dealt with before. because he has the intel background but he was definitely viewed as a trump guy. in the end, by...
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that's a pretty big job in any white house. in that position, he would oversee the vetting and hiring of everyone from ambassadors to cabinet members. not everyone thought it was a good idea. one staffer who oversaw the personal office told the president, i have never said no to anything you have asked me to do, but i'm asking you to reconsider this. i don't think it's a good idea. trump took that about as well as you can imagine. reportedly screamed at the staffer, you people never f-ing listen to me. going to f-ing do what i tell you to do. mcentee got the job and embarked on this ideological effort to purge the white house who are insufficiently loyal to donald trump. he hired new staffers, including liaisons. in one example, one of his enforcers noticed a low level staffer at the department of housing and urban development liked a post from the pop star taylor swift on instagram. specifically, this post where she encouraged her fans to vote in one photo and displayed photos decorated with the biden name. it was escalated to
that's a pretty big job in any white house. in that position, he would oversee the vetting and hiring of everyone from ambassadors to cabinet members. not everyone thought it was a good idea. one staffer who oversaw the personal office told the president, i have never said no to anything you have asked me to do, but i'm asking you to reconsider this. i don't think it's a good idea. trump took that about as well as you can imagine. reportedly screamed at the staffer, you people never f-ing...
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when a party is in power, as the democrats are in the white house, it often mobilizes the opposition party. it's part of the political gravity it has held that decades. look back to the 1930s. 1934 aside, which was an anomalous situation, the democrats under president franklin roosevelt got absolutely blown out in the 1938 midterm elections. that's after they did all the new deal stuff. the man was so popular he was elected president four times and even he suffered the same kind of backlash to his presidency that we're seeing last night. anyway, it's just an unavoidable part of our political reality in a divided country. there's another interesting angle in virginia, which is that in many ways republicans kinda turned back the clock a little bit. they nominated a very bush-era style candidate, circa 2003. glenn youngkin is a private equity baron in a vest. he talks about economic issues. when he pushes talking points that are meant to flirt with and stoke white backlash, he does so in a coded way with dog whistles about education. while i think that coded talk and who it is intended
when a party is in power, as the democrats are in the white house, it often mobilizes the opposition party. it's part of the political gravity it has held that decades. look back to the 1930s. 1934 aside, which was an anomalous situation, the democrats under president franklin roosevelt got absolutely blown out in the 1938 midterm elections. that's after they did all the new deal stuff. the man was so popular he was elected president four times and even he suffered the same kind of backlash to...
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according to john subpoena, quote, the white house told you about january 30, 2020, one that after the ellipse rally, ended on january six, you were to lead a march to capital. where president trump would meet the. group you did in fact march from the lipstick capital. the committee is also subpoenaed to people who we have not really heard that much. about dustin stockon, and jennifer lawrence. a couple who are heavily involved in a number of stop the steal rally, and who political once called, the bonnie and clyde of monger. world according to both subpoenas the couple have planned the trump rally, i stockton, subpoena also include that he was with them that he wanted to warn the white house about the possible danger of the stop the steal march in the capital. he said, quote, you were reportedly concerned about the planned by the stop the steal movement to organize an permitted march that would reach the steps of the capital as -- in a statement the couple said they are committed to transparency. finally the committee wants to hear from trump world associated taylor, who currently ser
according to john subpoena, quote, the white house told you about january 30, 2020, one that after the ellipse rally, ended on january six, you were to lead a march to capital. where president trump would meet the. group you did in fact march from the lipstick capital. the committee is also subpoenaed to people who we have not really heard that much. about dustin stockon, and jennifer lawrence. a couple who are heavily involved in a number of stop the steal rally, and who political once called,...
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that did not satisfy house republicans, so when they got their guy in the white house, they worked out a deal with the trump justice department to turn those documents over and you know what they found, neither do i. it's really unclear what's got -- about one thing is for sure we have not heard a peep out of republicans about the fast and furious. fasting furious gone. joining me now, eric holder, he is the chair of the democratic redistricting committee. mr. holder, i want to start on this question of executive privilege. just your understanding of the law as it appears you are a reason that it is really interesting to talk to you, it's obviously, you know, congressional majorities can have all sorts of different people saying all sorts of different things like daryl fisas or the select committee. there is some real important principles here that are larger than parties and from your perspective what do you think about the implications of this by an ex president? >> well it's unprecedented. the notion is that an ex president can invoke executive privilege and especially with a bunch
that did not satisfy house republicans, so when they got their guy in the white house, they worked out a deal with the trump justice department to turn those documents over and you know what they found, neither do i. it's really unclear what's got -- about one thing is for sure we have not heard a peep out of republicans about the fast and furious. fasting furious gone. joining me now, eric holder, he is the chair of the democratic redistricting committee. mr. holder, i want to start on this...
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this should be a source of concern for the white house. there should be an urgency about addressing bottlenecks and other factors that are preventing a sort of equilibrium in prices. that being said, i do think it's really important to look at the extraordinary employment gains that we've seen over the last year, over the last year and a half and not evaluate the economy by a single number. >> such an important point, to the 20 million people whose wages went from no wages to a job, like inflation bites, but you know, the other way we could do this is we could run the economy very cool. we could have a lot more people out of work. there's this thing called the phillips curve which is an old economics idea that there's a tradeoff between, you know, higher inflation and lower unemployment that, like, you got to sort of find the right balance, the kind of goldilocks, and that's sort of the argument you're making here, right? if policymakers aim too high, it's better to aim high and miss high than aim too low and have millions and millions and
this should be a source of concern for the white house. there should be an urgency about addressing bottlenecks and other factors that are preventing a sort of equilibrium in prices. that being said, i do think it's really important to look at the extraordinary employment gains that we've seen over the last year, over the last year and a half and not evaluate the economy by a single number. >> such an important point, to the 20 million people whose wages went from no wages to a job, like...
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here's the questions that john podesta, who worked in the obama white house is. he is here to share his experience with us next [♪♪] did you know, you no longer need to visit a dermatologist to get access to top skincare ingredients? introducing dermageek featuring top dermatologist recommended ingredients and 0% fillers. dermageek's new detoxifying facial serum contains twice the amount of beta hydroxy acid. it delivers two times more exfoliation for brighter skin, with dermatologist tested levels of hydration. get top derm-ingredients at a fraction of the price. try the new dermageek skincare lineup, with a money-back guarantee. the big part of the reason americans are facing high gas prices is because oil producing countries and large companies have not ramped up the supply of oil quickly enough to meet the demand and the smaller supply means higher prices globally for oil. so today, i'm announcing, the largest ever released from the u.s. strategic petroleum reserve, to help supply we need as we recover from this pandemic. >> the past half century the pric
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the state has not along's tree of flipping against the party that controls the white house in congress. in comment, president george w. bush, won virginia by eight points, only for democrats tim kaine to win the gubernatorial race by five points. what was seen in the national committee comey to, -- and the disastrous handling of hurricane christina. the most visceral backlash came into thousand, i'd that's after democrats claim thousand 2008 elections including barack obama winning virginia by six points. which stunned a whole lot of observers. and then just a year later, following, year bob mcdonald went on to become governor of virginia defeating his opponent by a whopping 17 points. that's a 23 point swinging points in just one year. and to put it mildly, this was seen as very bad news for democrats. just listen to how nbc opened its nightly news broadcast the day after the election. >> good evening, a year ago, we were talking about a sea change in american politics. tonight we are reporting a small change which could also be anonymous development for the year old obama administrat
the state has not along's tree of flipping against the party that controls the white house in congress. in comment, president george w. bush, won virginia by eight points, only for democrats tim kaine to win the gubernatorial race by five points. what was seen in the national committee comey to, -- and the disastrous handling of hurricane christina. the most visceral backlash came into thousand, i'd that's after democrats claim thousand 2008 elections including barack obama winning virginia by...
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after departing the white house in 2017, bannon did not work again in any executive branch or federal government position. it also cites a quote from his podcast noted in the subpoena from january 5th, the day before the insurrection, making quite a prophetic prediction about what would happen at the capitol on the sixth. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow, just understands this, all hell is gonna break loose. it's going to be moving, it's going to be quick. >> law enforcement source tells nbc, news bannon is expected to surrender himself on monday, and appear in court that afternoon. he could face up to a year in prison, and 100,000 dollar fine. it's hard to overstate the importance of this indictment, both the select committee and the justice department. the last prosecution of a contempt referral was back in 1983 when a former reagan epa official refused to testify during a super funded investigation, though her case, we should note, ended in an acquittal. the states here though seem higher. bannon's argument for refusing to comply's based on a bogus claim of executive pr
after departing the white house in 2017, bannon did not work again in any executive branch or federal government position. it also cites a quote from his podcast noted in the subpoena from january 5th, the day before the insurrection, making quite a prophetic prediction about what would happen at the capitol on the sixth. >> all hell is going to break loose tomorrow, just understands this, all hell is gonna break loose. it's going to be moving, it's going to be quick. >> law...
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who in turn that the trump white house and then went to work on the campaign. ultimately the world of national executive assistant of election day operative. and the reason she appeared to have been subpoenaed, according to the committee, there is evidence that mcauliffe is, quote, aware of and participated in efforts to spread false information about alleged voter fraud in the election as well as efforts to encourage state legislators to alter the outcome of the election. in fact, we have very clear evidence of that last point in the form of a voice mail that miss mccullough left for a michigan lawmaker in the weeks following the election. urging them to just a trump electors. >> hi representative, my name is angela mccallum, i'm calling from trump campaign headquarters in washington, d.c., i know you're very busy but i did want to personally reach out to you on your behalf of the president, as you got an opportunity to be a crucial part in his reelection. you do have the power to reclaim your authority, and send the slate of electors that will support trump a
who in turn that the trump white house and then went to work on the campaign. ultimately the world of national executive assistant of election day operative. and the reason she appeared to have been subpoenaed, according to the committee, there is evidence that mcauliffe is, quote, aware of and participated in efforts to spread false information about alleged voter fraud in the election as well as efforts to encourage state legislators to alter the outcome of the election. in fact, we have very...
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what does it look like from inside a white house if you're dealing with this knowing that there isn't a ton that you can do about affecting the price? >> well, you know, chris, first of all, let me say and it may seem strange given the lead-in to this segment, happy thanksgiving. but i think that the president has limited tools, but he has some tools. and i think the president today demonstrated not only in releasing the u.s. strategic petroleum reserve but being able to coordinate that release with releases from china, from india, from south korea, from japan, from the uk, that the consuming nations can do something to at least stabilize the price and hopefully put it in somewhat a downward trajectory. it's not going to have a massive impact, but i think it can have the effect of leveling off price and pushing prices down over the long term. at the end of the day what the president really can do is get the u.s. off its oil addiction so that we're not held hostage to the whims of saudi arabia, of russia, of the major oil companies like exxon and chevron, who are reporting record profi
what does it look like from inside a white house if you're dealing with this knowing that there isn't a ton that you can do about affecting the price? >> well, you know, chris, first of all, let me say and it may seem strange given the lead-in to this segment, happy thanksgiving. but i think that the president has limited tools, but he has some tools. and i think the president today demonstrated not only in releasing the u.s. strategic petroleum reserve but being able to coordinate that...
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the white house has already said multiple times that privilege should not be invoked in this case. today, trump has his day in court, and while we have not heard a ruling of this case yet, the district court judge did not seem to strictly convinced by their argument. then we that is -- years ago we heard cases about the judge presiding on the, case because she is a public defender. and joyce alene, we is a former u.s. eternity for the northern district of alabama. glenn kirschner, let me start with. you just lay out what is the issue we are and what the argument is that the trump lawyers were making. >> so, the trump lawyers are desperately trying to find a reason to prevent the documents from going from the national archives over to the house select committee. these are documents and phone logs and handwritten notes and talking points that will in live in the house select committee about what donald trump was up to in connection with the attack on the capitol on january six. and i will say. i was in the courtroom for all of the argument and argument after argument being made by do
the white house has already said multiple times that privilege should not be invoked in this case. today, trump has his day in court, and while we have not heard a ruling of this case yet, the district court judge did not seem to strictly convinced by their argument. then we that is -- years ago we heard cases about the judge presiding on the, case because she is a public defender. and joyce alene, we is a former u.s. eternity for the northern district of alabama. glenn kirschner, let me start...
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. >> you know, you just said, so it's $25 billion more than the budgetary request of the white house. that's one year. and again, i know i'm throwing a lot of numbers at people, but this is part of what's so maddening about the situation, the one-year versus the ten-year scoring. in the ten-year scoring, that's $250 billion. i have been tracking all these negotiations about build back better. that would be a huge chunk, just that, just the little bit over above what the white house asked for, times ten would buy you clearance room for a whole new program in build back better. >> what you're talking about, and i hope people understand, when we talk about $1.75 trillion, for build back better, that's over a ten-year period. when you talk about $778 billion for the military, it is one year. multiply that by ten. and probably you'll end up with close to $10 trillion over a ten-year period. >> i was laughing the other day because "the new york times" did a piece. it was a perfectly good piece about all the different things that are in build back better. the framing was a little weird to my
. >> you know, you just said, so it's $25 billion more than the budgetary request of the white house. that's one year. and again, i know i'm throwing a lot of numbers at people, but this is part of what's so maddening about the situation, the one-year versus the ten-year scoring. in the ten-year scoring, that's $250 billion. i have been tracking all these negotiations about build back better. that would be a huge chunk, just that, just the little bit over above what the white house asked...
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in fact, this year has seen the largest one-year drop in unemployment since 1950, according to the white house, and the dow closed above 36,000 for the first time ever this week, spurred in large part by unprecedented levels of government stimulus. and yet joe biden is an exceptionally unpopular president. in fact, he is the most unpopular president at this point in history at this point in history with the exception of donald j trump. they have tangible year one accomplishments, dating back to the american rescue plan, passed without a single republican vote and signed into law earlier this year. the american rescue plan was a massive $1.9 trillion stimulus package that provided direct payments, checks of $1,400 to americans in need, extended beefed-up unemployment benefits and expanded the child tax credit, providing up to $3,600 per child, which studies estimate could cut child poverty this year in half. biden is overseeing the waning pandemic, the worst of the delta wave appears to be behind us. businesses are reopening. life is slowly returning to some sort of normal in many parts o
in fact, this year has seen the largest one-year drop in unemployment since 1950, according to the white house, and the dow closed above 36,000 for the first time ever this week, spurred in large part by unprecedented levels of government stimulus. and yet joe biden is an exceptionally unpopular president. in fact, he is the most unpopular president at this point in history at this point in history with the exception of donald j trump. they have tangible year one accomplishments, dating back to...
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you have been at the white house on the covid task force. talk to us about the challenges that the current administration has to face right now. they have to try and send a message of calm. they have to make policy decisions. based off the science like we were just hearing there from dr. collins. at the same time, they have to contend with a large part of this country that sees this politicized and are getting their information from people like fox news. where there are politicizing this. >> right. it comes down to transparency and communication. i think was critical today with president biden speaking to americans and say remain calm. but protect yourselves. take the measures necessary. get vaccinated. it is very hard to face this challenge when you have republican leaders that are constantly working against you. they're basically public enemy number one. protecting the lives and well-being of american citizens. it's hard. it's an obstacle that shouldn't be there. they are politicizing something that is a public health crisis. something tha
you have been at the white house on the covid task force. talk to us about the challenges that the current administration has to face right now. they have to try and send a message of calm. they have to make policy decisions. based off the science like we were just hearing there from dr. collins. at the same time, they have to contend with a large part of this country that sees this politicized and are getting their information from people like fox news. where there are politicizing this....
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the white house has already said multiple times that privilege should not be invoked in this case. today trump had his day in court. while we have not heard a ruling in the case yet. the district judge did not seem particularly convinced by arguments. ben kirk is a 30-year former federal prosecutor he was in the courtroom. he worked cases. and joes vanessa is a professor at the alabama school chl law and former u.s. attorney for are the northern district of alabama. glen, let me start with you. lay out what's at issue and what the arguments the trump lawyers were making were. >> yeah, so the trump lawyers are desperately trying to fid a reason to prevent the documents from going from the national archives over to the house select committee. these are documents and phone logs, handwritten notes, talking points that will enlighten the house select committee about what donald trump was up to in connection with the attack on the capital on january 6th. i will say i was in the courtroom for the argument. and really argument after argument being made by justin clark, donald trump's lawye
the white house has already said multiple times that privilege should not be invoked in this case. today trump had his day in court. while we have not heard a ruling in the case yet. the district judge did not seem particularly convinced by arguments. ben kirk is a 30-year former federal prosecutor he was in the courtroom. he worked cases. and joes vanessa is a professor at the alabama school chl law and former u.s. attorney for are the northern district of alabama. glen, let me start with you....
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star. 25-year-old ahmaud arbery, had to go jogging near his mother's house. near brunswick, in georgia. the afternoon of february 23rd, 2020, he ran into a subdivision called satilla shores. three white men, traffics mcmichael, father gregory, along with his neighbor bryant, grab some guns. hopped in their trucks, and started to chase arbery as he ran through the streets. they claimed they thought he was burglarizing houses in the neighborhood. , they chased after ahmaud arbery, in a white pick up just, their neighbor, followed behind. brian started to filmed will happen, when arbery tried to run past the mcmichaels. they got out of the truck with the shotgun, and after the brief struggled, he shot him, and killed him. when police arrived at the scene, this is how they treated travis mcmichael. >> is there anything on you? >> justin. >> if he would've stopped -- >> that's fine, that's fine, just take a breath. do you have your i.d. and all of? it >> don't get blood all over yourself, i get that your hands are -- >> do what you need to do. i can only imagine.
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they claimed they thought he was burglarizing houses in the neighborhood. that's when mcmichael chased off aubrey in a white pickup truck and the neighbor william bryan started behind. bryan started to film what happened when arbery tried to run past mcmichaels. he got out of the truck and after a brief struggle,ing shot ahmaud arbery. but when police arrived at the scene, this is how they treated travis mcmichael. >> do you have anything on you? >> if he would have stopped -- >> that's fine, that's fine. like i said, just take a breath. you got your i.d. and all that? no, no, don't get blood all over yourself. i get it. look around. do what you need to do, man. i can only imagine. >> police did not arrest travis mcmichael after he shot and killed ahmaud arbery. they had been explicitly told not to arrest him by the district attorney because travis' dad, the one chasing arbery, was a former investigator in the d.a.'s office. that d.a. has since been indicted for telling the police not arrest travis mcmichael. she's also accused of violating her oath of offi
they claimed they thought he was burglarizing houses in the neighborhood. that's when mcmichael chased off aubrey in a white pickup truck and the neighbor william bryan started behind. bryan started to film what happened when arbery tried to run past mcmichaels. he got out of the truck and after a brief struggle,ing shot ahmaud arbery. but when police arrived at the scene, this is how they treated travis mcmichael. >> do you have anything on you? >> if he would have stopped --...