valley up and down. >> a lot of things are different. that you are arguing there is something central to the relationship of china and is not that different from the relationship of the struggle of the soviet union. is that correct? >> absolutely you can see that. this is an ideological competition and also that requires a high degree of clarity. so the phrase that comes to mind if i can paraphrase president xi tear down the firewall or we should do our best to get around it and this is watching me does for us every day is to trade to reach the press people who are not permitted to access a wide range of source of information so they have an opportunity to think differently. and to say earlier the authoritarians are touchy and sensitive. [laughter] and you can see this with the chinese communist party. i think there is a tremendous opportunity for us to use the clarity from the berlin speech to communicate much more effectively with the chinese communist party. the best means to do so is to bypass the great firewall. >> everybody should

the chinese as you well know, the chinese are invested in silicon valley up and down the peninsula. so a lot of things are different. but you are arguing that there is something central to the relationship with china that is not that different from the relationship with the struggle, the conflict with the soviet union. is that correct? >> absolutely and you can see this in jamie and will's superb essays. this is an ideological competition. also a competition that requires a high degree of clarity. so the phrase that comes to mind, if i could paraphrase from reagan's speech, chairman xi, tear down that firewall. or we should do our best to get around it. and this is what jamie does for us every day is try to reach oppressed peoples, people not permitted to access a wide range of sources of information so they have an opportunity to think differently. and as will i think said or jamie early said authoritarians are kind of touch. kind of sensitive. and you see this with the chinese communist party. i think there is a tremendous opportunity for us to use the kind of calculator of the be

the chinese, as you well know, my colleagues here -- are invested in silicon valley up and down the peninsula. so, a lot of things are different. let your arguing there something central to the relationship with china that's not that different with the relationship to the struggle with cool soviet union. is that correct? >> absolutely. and you can see this in's message. this is an ideological competition. it's also competition that requires a high degree of clarity. the freeze that comes to mind if i could paraphrase from rugged speech is, german she, tear down that far wall. we should do our best to get around it. and this is what jaime death threats every day is try to reach oppressed peoples. people who are not permitted to access a wide range of sources of information. so that they have an opportunity to think differently. authoritarian's are kind of touchy, they're kind of sensitive. and you see this with the chinese communist party. i think there's a tremendous opportunity tea for us to use the clarity to compete much more effectively with a chinese companies party. the mess means of do

ition arrested in silicon valley up and down the peninsula so a lot of things are different. but you're arguing that there's something central to the relationship with china that is not that different from the relationship with the struggle the conflict with soviet union is that cent? >> absolutely. you can see this in jamie and wills superb essays this is a competition that also requires, you know, a high degree of clarity so, i mean, the phrase that comes to mind if i could paraphrase from reagan speech is chairman xi teared down that firewall. or we should do our best to get around it and this is what jamie does for us every day is it to reach a press people, peoples who are not permitted to access a wide range of sources of information. so that they have an opportunity to think differently to have and as will said or jamie said early that authoritarians are touchy they are sensitives, and you see this with -- you see this with the china communist party. i think there's a tremendous opportunity for us to use the kind of clarity of the berlin speech to compete much more eff