epsteins, the winners are not necessarily the good an the people who wind up paying for those deeds are not necessarily bad. that message was wrapped up in the lee statues too. and we may regret losing that in a dog eat dog world. there is one more factor. monuments, statues change. now that sounds strange because monuments that are made of granite or bronze are physical and material and they don't grow and they don't eat and we wonder what you mean by change. what i mean by change is this -- when monuments like the lee statue in richmond or charlottesville or other places, when they're put up, they serve as memorials and here is where the white supremacy message has got attached. the statues were there to remind people of what the confederacy was. over time, though, as generations pass, statues change. they begin at memorials, but as generations pass, they decline into monuments. the lee statue became a remembrance of a chapter in richmond's history. more generation pass and still further things are being simply a marker. people look up as they pass and they say, oh, yeah, that is
