so we clicked on the 2nd time we got redirected to google, but it wasn't just any redirect to google. it was a very specific piece of code that someone had sat down and written on their computer. so we figured, well, maybe this is part of this spyware somehow. and if we can scan the internet, we can find other servers that had the same weird redirect to google. so this is exactly what we did. we used the popular open source v map program. we scan the internet and found 149 other servers, and this is where it gets interesting because this 2nd redirect to google was also returned by 3 servers. and s o q a dot com q a n q a dot com, and mail one dot and s o group dot com and the name here and i so group we found in a brochure in these really government's website. they had a brochure for this company, and so group, which is based in israel, and sells a product called pegasus, which is spyware, for mobile phones. in the case of pegasus citizen lab did very good work and was very, very conclusively able to say that pegasus had been written by and so groups. but it's actually stream li, rare

google maps, google pay. a lot of our journey to bring google play to more people is playing out in this region is -- in asia as well. i'm excited about cloud. the companies there are transforming -- very exciting for us. a super dynamic region that i feel like we are learning at google being in the region. so, i think it will transform. the first 10 years i would've said we brought it to apac. over the years we are starting to build things there and some of our future global products will be apac first. emily: you cannot talk about it without talking about china and you're facing stiff competition from chinese tech giants there. what should u.s. policymakers know about competing with china? sundar: there's a lot of conversations about u.s. and china. a combination of fear. ai and quantum computing where we are investing a lot. chinese companies are neck and neck. what i think about, i'm encouraged by the news coming out of -- about the u.s.-china agreement on climate. to me, while we talk about all the areas

would you also get on google greens? come on board. surely. confusion, some of the yeah. can last new lucian, west new deer, better lung or law, totally different or else? well as a, as a resource hoping to learn the business learners supersport to scribble, bring and finish out the ship with water. the past 3 decades, green light for ukraine. eye witnesses, recall the events. this will be more or less due to she was in a deficiency of chipotle. what i knew more tomorrow, that order. sure it's, i'm not sure, but it be about 4 months with water windows and what other forces were at play. the producer whom you show in ship russia in the same new what obama care what it americans when use the shows ocean moser, the ocean jordan, is take a look at ukraine 30 years after gaining independence. if you're going to read your phone with us for dinner, unless you mean, like unity retorted, mostly we'll move, but a will. ethridge litigation ok of nashville has done so far. headlines . it's our now to international whistle blow reports in the british medical journal claims. they were

this is not just the equivalent of google translate. if that were the case we would leave it to automation. there is a component here that in -- that involves analysis. analyzing. if there is a speech given by different chinese leaders, understanding the significance of who the speakers are and whether that particular person is close to zhejiang paying. -- xi jinping. it is translation of course, but the second part is very important. it is also analysis. jonathan: i do wonder, when it comes to communication and having the best understanding of what is happening between our two countries, i wonder what your view is on the fact that now china has more diplomats around the world than any other country. it is also happening when we have vacancies in key positions, ambassadors south korea, ambassador to france, that remain unfilled. some have said a side effect of this is already having missed communications on issues like the -- which enraged the french after the nuclear submarine deal was announced between the u.s. and australia. do you t

emily: what are the chances google search will ever come back to china, or that google cloud whatever come back to china? sundar: we don't provide most of our sign in services in china. i don't see that changing, but there are areas like ai and sustainability. there will be opportunities for us to work together. through cloud, we will support multinational companies, so maybe there are opportunities to work there as well. emily: that was alphabet ceo sundar pichai speaking on behalf of of the bloomberg new economy forum. we will have the full conversation of the interview airing november 29 on the latest edition of "studio 1.0." coming up, crypto influx as bitcoin and ethereum both retreat from last year's highs. this is the ftc gets aggressive in pursuing crypto regulation. we catch up with the cofounder of ethereum and a founder of a blockchain company, next. this is bloomberg. ♪ emily: cryptocurrencies have suffered a broad retreat from recent record highs. bitcoin briefly dipping below 60000 and ether touching its lowest level this month. a coin tracker says the global market's

they attracted the likes of apple and google. how was the country finally convinced to come aboard with this plan because they were a hold out for a long time? well i, i think it, yes, the irish governments. huh. now, i mean, we're a minority voice and saying this for a long time, but said the article and, and most of the arch political establishments really played a central role in leading the race to the bottom globally, in terms of reducing the amount of tax that these incredibly profitable companies are paid and they have stubbornly resisted any a corporate tax reform and held out to the very last moment even on the 15 percent at which would be an increase on the very, very low level of 12 and a half percent that's currently charged an ard and, but i mean one of the points i make and it bears out the skepticism of your other guests. is that 12 and a half percent, which was already a pitifully low level of toxic to impose on these companies was never paid an ardent at the actual race was a fraction of that because of a whole r

yeah, and rachel, similar to what we've seen with google, like most of the services that yahoo was actually providing in china. we're no longer there. right. and it is really interesting to see how you got the big tech guy. and here in the u. s. the continue to get bigger. i mean, yahoo was wonderful leaving search engine that we all paid attention. and now it's dying out not only in china, but also here in the united states. absolutely. well, it's time now for a quick break. when we come back, we're going to take a look at the movement here in the vitamin administration to regulate stable points . we've got all of the commentary firms in both chris, the i coming up and as we go to break, here are the numbers at the close. the, the me the british and american governments have often been accused destroying lives in their own interests. what you see in this, these techniques is the state devising methods to essentially destroy the personality of an individual by scientific means. this is how one doctor's theories were allegedly used in psychological warfare against prisoners deemed a danger t

a short walk away from where google has all of its colossal hops. they're so big they can use as much electricity as a small city and eat around 500000 liters of water a day to cool their systems. we need them to support the internet and store content . and for years, the irish governments welcome the tech giant with open arms and tempting low tax rate. but there were deepening concerns that within a few years, a 3rd of islands, electricity will be used to power a rapidly growing network of centers. some expert say the figure could be even higher, would worries about the nation's energy security. i think that the worry is if it's very cold winter for example, and there's a big demand on the grid for, for heating and so on. and yeah, there could be, there could be blackouts, islands racing to produce 70 percent of its electricity from renewables, mainly wind by 2030. but in the short term, data centers will rely on fossil fuels, mostly natural gas, to keep running opposition and peace. want to freeze on all new centers until that impacts fully known.

the google model is different. it's information and search and question and answer and giving you better answers. my guess is the leadership will be in other places i don't know. emily: i would like to end on tiktok. he talked about the upstarts that are levying these challenges to the incumbents. tiktok has these powerful algorithms that are very controversial. china may well have insight into these algorithms. i'm curious if you are concerned about the rising power of tiktok and what you make of it? eric: tiktok is super impressive. this group out of china figured out a way to build a new kind of entertainment and they also developed a new ai algorithm. the social network algorithms were based on who your friends are. tiktok's algorithms used your preferences and the world you choose to live in as opposed to your friends to make similar recommendations and they have done it well. now, they are really driving a new form of entertainment. that's amazing. i don't mind that at all. what i do mind is since it's a chin

you mentioned this is more than just google translate, but many of us have used google translate when it comes to trying to read articles coming out of china. so what does $80 million get you beyond google translate in terms of the benefits of this service? >> well, of course, there's a translation that will be from folks who are familiar with the slogans, the particular sayings, for example, in china, so more accurate than a rough google translate. but also the analysis part is very valuable and right now we mentioned, of course, china and russia, but there is a potential to expand it beyond those nations as well. so the analysis part is especially important. and important not just for people in government, not just a benefit to the state department or the department of defense, so forth, the administration, but also to the media, for example. and i believe it was radio free asia, for example, that translated documents of procurement contracts and they were the ones that broke the story on the uighur internment camps. so there's a real role for this kind of translation and analysis i

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we know that you have sued google. how is that progressing? >> to be clear, google is still our partner. we support youtube music. we continue to work with them. that's part of existing in the tech industry. the partnership. sometimes, there are issues you can't resolve through regular negotiations so we are very confident, we are very -- head of positive ruling in august and tomorrow, we should get an update on the next step in that procedure. it is something we are very confident in. we invented the category and we believe that we need to stand up for all inventors in smaller companies in the face of anyone trying to trample on our intellectual property rights. caroline: it's interesting that you are able to disassociate. how do you still have a good working relationship with the likes of google when it does seem to have got relatively personal? >> it's mutually beneficial at the end of the day. some of those things they want to be in, the homes that sonos is in. we want to offer customers all of the services. that's one of our strengths. we

google from 20 years ago of connecting the retailer to the audience, right. we're hearing from affirm earlier this week. max talking about how buy now and pay later, shopify has been a huge volume driver for that. and now even google like one of the names in volume turning to shopify for ecommerce volume is amazing. >>> staying with ecommerce shares reversing direction after losses grew in q3. courtney reagan joins us with more on how direct to consumer businesses have faired since going public inest thering quarter for them they raised their full year outlook and they are leaning in on investment here 35 stores they still plan and they argue, hey, look, you know, vertical integration, we don't get hurt as badly with these shortages. >> yeah, absolutely, john. i actually found a lot of interesting nuggets sort of in this call because it was the first quarter that warby reported results as a public company. we got to get more color and background information on sort of the inner workings and for so long i think so many people thought that stores just really we

and this move could also help to bring back the google mobile services to far away devices as well. now, under this work around, while way it will not be selling phones under its own brand name. the 3rd party companies will be selling always developed devices under their own brand, but hallway would actually benefit from whatever licensing or profit sharing deal signed between them. and while this certainly won't help hallway in developing its brand further, it help that it's already a huge brand that customers will already recognize the design and be loyal to it and know that it's a good product, even if it's labeled as something else. but yes, if it's able to boost the sales and distribution this way, then absolutely, it's a very smart work around to help the portions of the mobile businesses that has been damaged by the us. now chris, the, i mean i guess i don't want to be a ne, say here, but if it, if it seems like bloomberg is reporting this is obviously public knowledge. but this is what they're doing to attempt to circumvent this trade band and blacklisting. when do you expec

enough is enough hundreds of google employees drawing a line in the sand over vaccine mandates tis the season for a data breach a warning of hackers striking over the holidays. >> and a morning rbi puts president biden oil in context this is "worldwide exchange. >> good morning. good afternoon, good evening happy thanksgiving eve i am brian sullivan. thank you for joining us think about interest rates and maybe turkey stock futures tuesday, merely a mirror image of monday. the dow up tech down and commodities up dow futures are down about 130 as well. nasdaq futures are lower the dow has done a little here and there. a pretty sizeable decline with the underlying story nasdaq futures down about 34 points small caps lower as rates try to claw their way higher. yield is lower at 1.64%. looking at oil and the strategic release. oil looking a little higher. this is why at 5:00, you can't look five minutes earlier because things change. there is no volume oil is down. we'll explain why or at least try to in the rbi coming up the in this case in asia overnight china slamming the biden adminis

tell us, why is google so interested in australia? this money would be spent over the next five years and it is the next five years and it is the largest investment in australia to date from google. it is aimed at increasing cloud capacity in setting up a research facility staffed by australian researchers and engineers. google also plans to partner with australian science agency. google australia's managing director says the spending plan would ring significant technology resources and investment for the country. the prime minister, scott morrison, has welcomed it calling it a one billion dollar vote of confidence. scott morrison has big ambitions for the country's digital economy and says that investment will bring thousands more jobs in investment will bring thousands morejobs in engineering, computer science and ai. sally, this is quite a turnaround for google because months ago it threatened to pull it services from australia in response to tougher government regulation and that really affected companies such as google and facebo

would you also get on google greens? come a little. i'm surely confusing from us unless you leash, unless you did better lung or a couple of things and finish with water the past 3 decades, when likely ukraine eyewitnesses with cool events. this will get more with what i knew more about it. i'm not sure what a good bunch for months with modern windows and what other forces were at play, the producer to whom you show in ship machine the same you put in the kid what it a little bit when you did the shows us. it was a low version, so please take a look at ukraine. 30 years out, the gaining independence. you go to your phone with us unless you mean like unity recorded live, but a will. it makes you provision opium, lush williston holding. so wow, you know, things are, of course, playing out as we've been protecting they would. we've got the very central banks putting on their kabuki costumes and getting ready to go out on stage and perform their ritualistic nod to the need to raise rates, followed by their ritual. was that denial that they

. >> what about google? google made some pretty bold targets. >> google was very early and mashing all of the electricity usage with the users. they intend by 2030 to have all of their energy needs select -- directly supplied by renewables. no offsets or greenwashing, they will use geothermal energy so that every google query you ask about can be powered with renewable energy. they are also building wide range of tools for municipalities to do planning of their transit systems and even for individuals on google maps to choose the most climate from the path to get something done. >> what are your big takeaways from cap 26? is enough being done on a global level? >> when greta thunberg says cut 26 is a lot of blahblahblah. she has a point. i am very impressed by what the cop conference agree to do around nothing admissions. also, it is important, cop is not over yet. the u.s. and china did something really worth noting. they issued a memorandum of cooperation which identified five areas in which the u.s. and c

the time you can get both on demand on the portable tv app available on smartphones and tablets, or google play in the apple app store by searching portable tv. portable tv can also be downloaded on samsung, smart tvs, and roku devices, or simply check it out portable dot tv. we'll see next time in russia, this close of car was discontinued more than 20 years ago. even though, staying with the bottle and sort of can you sell it to proposal? the sure deal, but it's just important doctors it took 5 years to close the gun up on the will car industry from the drawing board to the 1st finished model descriptions. so we'll go over excellent controls, can you deal with the funeral washington law school? well, we'll shoot for shift from us with a i live if i for moscow, this is all it's international headlining this hour. a whistleblower report to the british medical journal. claims that was serious flaws in the testing of phases. cobra vaccine. will us authorities have been reluctant to investigate the unprecedented new low relations between france and his trailer. to take a further plunge after

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emily: what about google? google has made both targets. >> google was very early in matching all of its electricity usage with the purchase of renewables. and they have done the boldest thing of all, and that is to say they intend by 2032 have all of their energy needs directly supplied by renewables, no offsets, no greenwashing. they will use solar thermal, geothermal energy so every google query you ask about will be powered with renewable energy. they are also building tools for municipalities to do of their transit systems and for individuals in google maps to choose the most climate friendly path to get something done. emily: what are your big takeaways from cap 26? -- cop 26? are you seeing more business as usual? >> when greta thunberg says cop 26 is a lot of blah, she is right. pledges are fine but we need action. i am surprised by what the conference agreed to do around methane emissions. cop is not over yet. just today the u.s. and china did something worth noting, they issued a memorandum of coopera

. >> now-- no, technology chief at google and it developed ai the response to gmail. responses that allow you to anticipate how you are going to respond to it. >> i noticed the responses have been getting more courteous and more specific. i suppose it's due to his development. >> that's his contribution. really i think all these people forgotten the fundamental principles of computer science. >> that's what's striking about this book because you don't seem to be as much as a doomsday or as some. in fact, you seem to think the potential of ai may be oversold, but that even in the overselling there could be some collateral damage and you are trying to avoid that. have i got that right? >> yeah, i think that's right. the idea that somehow ai competes with human minds is a fundamental illusion. >> a lot of these technology creators came to the work having already observed the idea that the human mind is nothing more than a neat machine and so if they knew that quote unquote knew that to begin with and it's not surprising that the conception of artificial intelligence coul

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. >> this is your immediate title, life after google. i'd recommended which is related to this new book deeming ai. i'm going to take you unexpected somewhere. i think partlybecause i'm looking at messages coming from our viewers . following on what i just said about what you said about the stultifying effects of this belief really, this faith that the mine is nothing other than accidental material. mechanical and physical so this person says the mind is still more complex than the organic system is hard to say there is no god so that's what this person says. i think that's a goodpoint but i have another point that's different from that which is this . let me try this on you. when i was reading your book this thought struck me which is that there is always has been in civilization something of attention if not always a position between a mindset which is empirical in nature and a mindset which is spiritual and pious in nature. that's why people say religion and science have been in each other's way and there's something to that but based

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google is facing a lawsuit from the justice department over its search business. we reported not too long ago that the doj is looking into its advertising business, so the more that drumbeat increases for these tech companies, the more pressure they are under to make that move and essentially spin off their businesses. emily: ok. thank you for your viewpoint. meantime, morgan stanley says the meta-verse will only get real when apple decides to join. facebook and google have been investing in artificial reality, but a note says mass-market adoption of either technology will not happen until apple enters the race. it estimates the hardware market for new gadgets could be $100 billion by 2030. coming up, when one door opens, another closes. zillow leaving the home flipping market. i have a conversation with the cfo of open-door about how it can succeed where others have failed. this is bloomberg. ♪ emily: zillow may not have made the home flipping business profitable. opendoor has. more than 15,000 homes in the third quarter, a 79% increase. zillow ending its flipp

a technology like google, developed a.i. that responds to your emails, like, gmail, it would respond to a lot of the -- like the highly used things today. >> i noticed at the beginning, it was more courteous and more specific as opposed to his development. >> that's his contribution, and as a whole, carrying the contribution to technology in the decade. but i think all these people have forgotten the fundamental principles of what computer science speaks about. >> that's what's striking about this work, because you don't seem to be as much as of a doomsayer as some. in fact, you seem to have -- if i got this right. you see the potential of a.i. may be oversold, but that even in the overselling, there could be some collateral damage, and you're trying to avoid that. have i got that right? >> yeah, i think that's right. i mean, the idea that somehow a.i. competes with human minds is a fundamental illusion. >> a lot of these technology creators, they came to their work having already observed the idea that the human mind is not

. >> they have to move to life after google. >> this is your immediately life after google. i'm going to take you somewhere unexpected here, i think. partly because i'm looking at some messages coming from our viewers right now. following up what you said about the effects of this belief, this faith that the mind is nothing other than accidental material, mechanical and physical, this person says, the simplest of mind and the simplest of persons is more complex than the world internet system. it's hard to say there's no god. that's what this person says. i think that's a good point. i have another point that's a little different from that, which is this. let me try this on you, george. i was reading your book, this thought struck me, which is that there is always has been in the history of our civilization something of a tension, if not always opposition, between a mindset which is empirical in nature and a mindset which is spiritual and pious in nature. that's why people say religion and science have been in each other's way. there's something to that. what i'm seeing based

your one of the parents targeted in this google drive incident. how did you find out about this? >> thankfully our board president had sent an email to me and another mom and included some screenshots he was trying to approve one of his points with and sent a screenshot of his desktop and i noticed there was a google drive address theretofore with mom's names on it so one of the moms input that address and got right into their public drive. laura: your sleeping yourself, something wasn't adding up here. this is really step too far. the goal is to intimidate parents, to scare them, to brand them as something they aren't? >> absolutely correct. this behavior while it is shocking is not surprising at all. we've been seeing over the past few years we've been active in going to school board meetings in arizona, to where they are using law enforcement to investigate, follow us on social media groups in an effort to intimidate, harass us and silence us. laura: they tried to do that in other cases, we saw what they did and loud and county, virginia and that led to the election of glenn y

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. >> the life after google. >> this is immediately after i, life after google. gaming a.i., i'm going to take you somewhere unexpected here i think probably because i'm looking at messages from our viewers right now so following what i just said about the effects of this belief, faith that the mind is nothing other than accidental material, mechanical and physical, this person says the simplest of mind is still more complex with internet system, kind of hard to say there is no god, that's what this person says, but i have another thing that's a little different from when i was reading your book, this thought struck me, there always has been in history of civilization something attention is not always opposition, a mindsetna which is empirical in nature and a mindset bets and spiritual and pious in nature so that's why people religion is signs in each other's way. there's something to that but what i am saying based on your analysis is there's a new spiritual or devotional attitude about the singularity which make itself form new opposition between science and re