this is not just the equivalent of google translate. if that were the case we would leave it to automation. there is a component here that in -- that involves analysis. analyzing. if there is a speech given by different chinese leaders, understanding the significance of who the speakers are and whether that particular person is close to zhejiang paying. -- xi jinping. it is translation of course, but the second part is very important. it is also analysis. jonathan: i do wonder, when it comes to communication and having the best understanding of what is happening between our two countries, i wonder what your view is on the fact that now china has more diplomats around the world than any other country. it is also happening when we have vacancies in key positions, ambassadors south korea, ambassador to france, that remain unfilled. some have said a side effect of this is already having missed communications on issues like the -- which enraged the french after the nuclear submarine deal was announced between the u.s. and australia. do you t

you mentioned this is more than just google translate, but many of us have used google translate when it comes to trying to read articles coming out of china. so what does $80 million get you beyond google translate in terms of the benefits of this service? >> well, of course, there's a translation that will be from folks who are familiar with the slogans, the particular sayings, for example, in china, so more accurate than a rough google translate. but also the analysis part is very valuable and right now we mentioned, of course, china and russia, but there is a potential to expand it beyond those nations as well. so the analysis part is especially important. and important not just for people in government, not just a benefit to the state department or the department of defense, so forth, the administration, but also to the media, for example. and i believe it was radio free asia, for example, that translated documents of procurement contracts and they were the ones that broke the story on the uighur internment camps. so there's a real role for this kind of translation and analysis i

. >> this is your immediate title, life after google. i'd recommended which is related to this new book deeming ai. i'm going to take you unexpected somewhere. i think partlybecause i'm looking at messages coming from our viewers . following on what i just said about what you said about the stultifying effects of this belief really, this faith that the mine is nothing other than accidental material. mechanical and physical so this person says the mind is still more complex than the organic system is hard to say there is no god so that's what this person says. i think that's a goodpoint but i have another point that's different from that which is this . let me try this on you. when i was reading your book this thought struck me which is that there is always has been in civilization something of attention if not always a position between a mindset which is empirical in nature and a mindset which is spiritual and pious in nature. that's why people say religion and science have been in each other's way and there's something to that but based

. >> life after google, highly recommended. it's related to this new book gaming ai. i'm going to take you somewhere unexpected here, partly because i'm looking at some messages coming from our viewers right now. so following on would i just said about what you said about the stultifying effects of this belief that states that the mind is nothing other than accidental material, mechanical and physical, so this person says the simplest of minds and persons are still more complex an entire world system, it's kind of hard to say there is no god, so that's where this person said. i think that's a good point, but i have another point that's a little different from that, which is this. we try this on me -- let's try this on. when i was reading your book this thought really struck me, which is that there is always has been in civilization something of attention, if not always opposition between unlined set which is empirical in nature and the mindset which is spiritual and pious in nature. so that's why people say religion and science

. >> they have to move to life after google. >> this is your immediately life after google. i'm going to take you somewhere unexpected here, i think. partly because i'm looking at some messages coming from our viewers right now. following up what you said about the effects of this belief, this faith that the mind is nothing other than accidental material, mechanical and physical, this person says, the simplest of mind and the simplest of persons is more complex than the world internet system. it's hard to say there's no god. that's what this person says. i think that's a good point. i have another point that's a little different from that, which is this. let me try this on you, george. i was reading your book, this thought struck me, which is that there is always has been in the history of our civilization something of a tension, if not always opposition, between a mindset which is empirical in nature and a mindset which is spiritual and pious in nature. that's why people say religion and science have been in each other's way. there's something to that. what i'm seeing based

a technology like google, developed a.i. that responds to your emails, like, gmail, it would respond to a lot of the -- like the highly used things today. >> i noticed at the beginning, it was more courteous and more specific as opposed to his development. >> that's his contribution, and as a whole, carrying the contribution to technology in the decade. but i think all these people have forgotten the fundamental principles of what computer science speaks about. >> that's what's striking about this work, because you don't seem to be as much as of a doomsayer as some. in fact, you seem to have -- if i got this right. you see the potential of a.i. may be oversold, but that even in the overselling, there could be some collateral damage, and you're trying to avoid that. have i got that right? >> yeah, i think that's right. i mean, the idea that somehow a.i. competes with human minds is a fundamental illusion. >> a lot of these technology creators, they came to their work having already observed the idea that the human mind is not

nobody looks out more than say years would be a long-term chart and you can google long-term chart on any subject and yet i go back in my book, special government publications and i can find those answers back 50 years or 100 years is what you need to understand what's going on . and then i do a lot more things than just beverage consumption. >> you say you are a proponent of wikipedia. >> yes. i'll tell you, i believe you always have to be a skeptic, not a cynic where you always got people's motives but a skeptic. born in missouri, show me. in business history, wikipedia is often awful. sometimes it's okay but i used to work at the company or somebody who hates the company, read a history of the company that is 100 years old and it'll say two lines about the founding and in 2007 a sold out to so-and-so. there's all that missing but on the other hand if i want to look up a type ofbird, a city , its population, wikipedia is pretty darn good but certainly if i'm going to put something in writing in the book or in one of my blogs and newsletters i'm going to check and double check and ma

because google knows this happen they staff engineers. twitter knows 10% of all public tweets end up going out, and people analyze those and because twitter knows someone is b watching, they behave better. i think in the case of facebook and even private groups there shouldwh be some bar which we s enough people have seen it's not private. if w we want to catch national security threats weio need to he not just the people at facebook, we need to have 10,000 researchersng looking at it. i think in addition to that we have accountability on things & understanding whether or not our children are safe. >> a report on friday suggesting there's an algorithmic bar politically. do you think that's unique to twitter or facebook has had something included in the way these algorithms and these platforms with all their algorithms are d designed to optimize clicks and therefore there's somethingme about certa types of political content that makes it more extreme that is endemic to all these social mediaan companies? >> i am not aware of any research t

the problem is when you google news searches cases have the fallout over time but if you are talking about a mask public shooting or eight people are killed one week afterwards you may get 800 new stories in five years later you may get 500 new stories that you are ours going to find some news stories that occur. what they were doing was if you are looking at cases where a gunfight in public and maybe no one is wounded or one person is wounded you may be lucky to get one news story out of it but you may find in a week or a month or even a year afterward for five years later or 10 years later it's likely that you are going to find it. in most cases were in the last few years you know and there are other areas that were occurring. actually missed mask public shootings during the beginning of the periods that they looked at. both of these things raise it at one period and lowered it at the beginning. when i was there in d.c. just this last year and i was pointing out they were missing lots of cases where people had used permitting conceal and carry. even we could get them they wouldn't

now, google plea has the app rating set at teen. meaning 13 and up. while the apple store has it relate at 17 and up. can you tell me why this disparity exists? if apple determines that the age rating for youtube ought to be 17 and up, why does google determine that its own up should be treated as teen, meaning 13 and a? >> senator, i'm familiar with the differences that you've just outlined, but i would be happy to fill up with you and your staff once i get more details on this. >> i love to know about -- it is a simple question and i understand it may not be to answer right now. i understand if you don't have the information. but i would just like to know why that difference exists? whether you agree or disagree with the fact that google has created its own app for 13 at app, we'll appeal is rated 17 up. but i'm happy to follow up on up on that in writing or otherwise. missed out, i want to address a similar issue, regarding snapchat. snapchat is rated 12 and up by apple. and it's rated teen on the google play store. any reason why there is a dispar

now, google play the app rating set as teen meaning 13 and up. while the apple store has it rated as 17 and up. tell me why this disparity exists does apple determine the age rating for youtube ought to be 17 and up why did google determine its own app should be rated as teen, meaning 13 and up? >> senator, i'm unfamiliar with the differences that you just outline, but i would be happy to follow-up with you and your staff once i get more details on this. >> i'd love to know about that. just it is a simple question. i understand you may not be able to answer it right now. i'd just like to know whether that difference exists and whether you agree or disagree with the fact google has rated its app. with regard to snap chat, snap chat is rated 12 and up on apple, and it's rated teen on the google play store. any idea why there's that disparity there? >> senator, that's a very good question, and i -- for some reason i heard somewhere the reason why apple lists it 12 and up, it's an app that's intended for a teen audience. >> right. why is there a disp

previously, she served as acting head of global policy for google. why don't we begin with your testimony, ms. stout. thank you. ms. stout: thank you mr. chairman. -- ms. stout: thank you, mr. chairman. chairman blumenthal, ranking member blackburn, and members of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to be here today. my name is jennifer stout, and i am the vice president of global public policy at snap. i and in this role for nearly 5 years, after spending most two decades in public service, more than half in congress. i have tremendous respect for this institution and the work you are doing to ensure young people are having safe and healthy online experiences. to understand snap's approach to protecting young people on our platform, it is helpful to start at the beginning. snapchat's founders were part of the first generation to grow up with social media. like many of their peers, they saw social media was capable of making a positive impact, but it also had certain features that troubled them. these platforms encouraged people to broadc

why could google become such a powerhouse, why did apple really take off? because there was probably i would imagine a lot more scrutiny in microsoft internally in terms of the competition in the marketplace and what kind of stance they talk in terms of being more aggressive to competitors. so, i think that's what we actually saw that there was a regressive mess in the marketplace regardless of whether or not the company was broken up. so i don't think that was the key. it was just the change of attitude that happened as a result. >> thank you. this one is for jeremy. why are both republican and democratic administrations stopping big tech from acquiring small companies and what could become the competitors and i will join with another question which is any thoughts on the difference in the u.s. being republican or republic, sorry, not a democracy modifies the perspectives on policy so basically, how should we interpret the differences between the parties were look at the system and understand why we are where we are? >> one of the things we do in the book

then also, google. when i was going to school, google wasn't a thing. netscape was a thing. it wasn't very good. >> yes. remember aol chat. we can go into it. that's a whole other panel. it's inherent for me about recognizing authors that are black inherently but i've also acquired work by a filipina golfer and recognized speaking to that particular author was brilliant that isn't disparate from the black culture. like we can come together on those things and recognize i can be a good editor for you and you can be a good writer for me and we are inherently learning from each other so that is the sent's disability i wanted to bring. it made the most sense for me in terms of where i was going next in my career and where i would feel comfortable. we had a wonderful assistant that started this year. they are young and hungry and eager and we all have a great sensibility. leaning towards a woman's perspective, recognizing you know, intersections, non-binary identities, making sure we are not perpetuating the issues that are perpetuated by white supremacy in itself, but again that

the nice thing is google exists for things on that line. while you are googling that -- >> there's a whole wikipedia. august 21, 1920. >> all right. sherry, you got your answer. and then beth walsh brings us back to questions about media and reporting. >> yeah. she says, the media -- the story of the 1919 eclipse as a media event was a wonderful way, if you think about it. there's a sense in which the first big media event of the post war period. some radio and international telegraph lines. so everybody is stunned at how quickly the news spread around the world. nobody more than einstein. he hears about this when reporters show up at his door, and he's like, why do you people care about what i have to say at all? much less following him around everywhere asking questions. in terms of the accuracy of the reporting, this is kind of interesting. so there's the origin. story in "the times," which in a sense is sort of plant bid eddington and dyson. that is re-recruit a report to have come to the announcement of the results. so that's pretty ac

what was new was that google's hypocrisy was finally called out. the fact is google and youtube had been fighting against privacy behind the scenes for years. it's hidden in plain sight. it's an open secret. you've been lobbying the fcc and the existing privacy rules. you spent vast sums of money fighting the privacy rules. i want to ask you, ms. miller, what work has youtube done to lobby against congress strengthening online protections for children, and is that report and that claim by the multi-state plaintiff accurate? >> senator, i understand that the material that you're referencing was regarding our point of view on e-practicing legislation in europe. our ceo has regularly called for comprehensive privacy legislation in the u.s. and behalf of youtube i am not aware of any efforts other than to be involved in conversations in a multistakeholder way as it relates to any legislation or bills that are being introduced

and then also, google is a thing. you know, when i was going to school, google wasn't a thing. netscape was a thing. netscape wasng not very good. >> w and britannica was a thing. >> i remember those, they were funky looking, i love it. aol chat. we can go into it, that's another panel. its inherently for me about recognizing authors that are black inherently but i've also acquired a work by a filipino author, jen soriano, who is brilliant, speaking to her about her ethnic collection which is about heritage and chronic illness and motherhood and joy, thatpa is not completely dispare from blackbe culture either. i can recognize i could be a good editor for you and you could be are good writer for me and we're learning from each other. that's the sensibility i wanted to bring to amistadd because its already at amistad so that made the mostt sense for me, where i was going next for my career and where i felt comfortable.ea francesca and alexa are wonderful assistants who started this ndyear, they're young and eager. i'm leaning more towards a womanist perspective, recognizing inte

. >> let me google that. the nice thing google exists for things. [inaudible] >> august 21. all right there is your answer. [laughter] and then bethel brings us back to questions about media and reporting. >> i should say the media, the story of the 1919 is it media event. it was sort of the first big media event of the postwar period, radio international telegraph line. it quickly spread around the world nobody more so than einstein. he hears about this when reporters show up at his door. he is like why do you people care about what i have to say? [laughter] much less following him around asking questions. for the accuracy of the reporting this is interesting that as the original story in the times which an important sense is supplanted they recruit them to come to the announcement of the results for that is pretty accurate. but then the "new york times" hits the times of london article and then writes their own article based on the article. they are not talking to him. so then it begins to creep in. i'm still showing my screen here, i will go back to the times article. the

is this what google and facebook did, sine qua non? exactly opposite. marissa mayer famously ordered a going back but google bot 1 million have square feet in downtown manhattan. they all try to create these work playgrounds to make sure people are around each other all the time because they believe creativity works by connecting people. one of the interesting things that come out of microsoft is there's a nice study that came out last month that there's a real decrease in connections across different groups which the paper really thinks is going to lead a decrease in crete giving microsoft because these were teams are becoming more siloed. one final is that the remote world is a very hard world for onboarding new workers and is an unequal world. the onboarding point is if you look at productivity computer programmers, some studies have suggested it's all just fine but if you look at new hires for computer programmers or burning glass technology, counting a new postings, that was down 40% between february 2020 and november 2020. a massive decline in the

. >> let me google that. >> the nice thing is google exists for things -- -- >> before wikipedia -- august 23rd. >> all right -- your answer. and then, -- brings us back to questions about media and reporting. >> the media -- the story of the 1919 eclipse has a media event is a wonderful way to think about it. there's a sense in which the first big media event of the post war period. radio and international telegraph line. so, everybody is stunned at how quickly news is spread around the world. -- he hears about this when reporters show up at his door and he's like, why do you people care about what i have to say at all? much less following him around everywhere, asking him questions. in terms of the accuracy of the reporting, this is kind of interesting. so, there is the original story in the times, which, in an important sense is planted by -- they recruit a reporter to come -- so, that's pretty accurate. but then, the times just -- the new york times gets the times of london article and then kind of rights their own article based on that. just on the article. there are not talking to an

for a long time, every business plan said at the end, and then we will sell to google. but in the last few years taking off again it has become ipo valley once more. that is fine. it is democratizing. people get to participate in the process of creation of making wealth. i think that is much as entrepreneurship is the heart of the valley. >> it almost seems like for a while there not only were startups keeping money to keep multibillion-dollar uniforms as they call them if you are a chip company perhaps an intel to buy you if you were a social media company or an instagram ear thing facebook's going to come in and give you a billion dollars. but then you are right we started to see more ipos. as a journalist i like to see that because they are independent. i remember when microsoft thinking that would be sad if yahoo goes away because they are absorbed by another giant company and end up going away for different reasons. >> the big companies are making themselves immortal. here at facebook and you're starting to lose some of your billion users so what you do? you buy th

some of the soviet ones i might have, it would be nice to google information, it's difficult to get access to the russian archives these days but a story i was pleased with in the book which i managed to get from the russian archives, i have a good friend whose russian and did some of the research for me, a story of the platoon of soviet soldiers who broken captured and took their way up and hung out the soviet flag on the roof. like so many of the stories in the book, the stories of six men was written out in the history books, they never got the credit they were deserved and selling promised the first soviet soldiers in and the ones who were captured would be showered with medals and awards and everything. these guys, one of the main characters, they never got anything. they never got any recognition. it's stories like that i don't know, i feel sometimes you're giving credit to people who achieve remarkable things and felt better that they never got the credit in their lifetime. >> i'd like to know how does the pandemic affect the writing of the book? does it make it more difficult? >> i

some of the soviet ones i might have, it would be nice to google information, it's difficult to get access to the russian archives these days but a story i was pleased with in the book which i managed to get from the russian archives, i have a good friend whose russian and did some of the research for me, a story of the platoon of soviet soldiers who broken captured and took their way up and hung out the soviet flag on the roof. like so many of the stories in the book, the stories of six men was written out in the history books, they never got the credit they were deserved and selling promised the first soviet soldiers in and the ones who were captured would be showered with medals and awards and everything. these guys, one of the main characters, they never got anything. they never got any recognition. it's stories like that i don't know, i feel sometimes you're giving credit to people who achieve remarkable things and felt better that they never got the credit in their lifetime. >> i'd like to know how does the pandemic affect the writing of the book? does it make it more difficult? >> i

google and others are aiding and abetting that kind of terrible misdeed. we got a call about a hearing -- while the hearing was going on about complaints we were raising. you show me anywhere in the book where you can test the veracity of it. the complicity of u.s. corporations, and mr. chiu talks about a couple of them. mayer brown, a lawyer. we were asked to provide a specific service, on real estate , and talk about it. it was a terrible -- i mean, how does he look himself in the mirror. we talk about accounting firms, and there are so many others that have been callista -- complicit. we had a hearing on the limbic's recently. i chaired one of them. might -- might colleagues -- my colleagues. i talked to coca-cola about why they are not speaking out? wire that try to find a different venue for the lipids? the answers are horrible. that was the bottom line. it is the bottom line. can you talk about that? pastor chen, and may be any of you will speak to it, in december of 2018, i wrote an op-ed that the washington post published, saying the world needs to

some of the soviet ones that i might have -- it might be nice to google more information, it's extremely difficult to get access to the russian archives these days. but, i mean, one story i was quite pleased with in the book, and which i managed to get from the russian archives, because i have a very good friend whose russian, and he did some of the research for me -- it was a story of a small platoon of soviet soldiers who captured the reischsdag and hung out the soviet flag on the roof of the reichstag. -- the ones that had captured the building, they had these awards and everything, but -- and -- are one of the main characters. but they never got the recognition. so it's stories like that which -- i don't know, i feel like giving them very belated and often posthumous credit. and they felt bitter that they never got the credit in their lifetime. so that's one of the stories. >> i'd like to know how did the pandemic affect your writing system. did it make it more difficult? >> i was extremely fortunate. and i know many writers that had a real problem during the pandemic, because obviou

had aided and abetted those atrocities being committed there, and that's what they're doing now when google and others aid and abet those kinds of terrible misdeeds. we got a call while the hearing was going on complaining that i was raising it. you show me anywhere in the book that you can contest the voracity of that. mr. chu talked about a couple of -- meijer brown, a lawyer with a law firm. we were asked to provide a specific services on real estate matters. terrible, how does he look himself on the mirror, and you talk about the big accounting firms, deloitte, and others, and so many others that have been complicit. we had a hearing on the olympics. i chaired one, and my friends and colleagues. i kept asking coca-cola about why aren't they speaking out. why aren't they trying to get a different venue for the olympics, and that's the bottom line. so could you talk about that. secondly, pastor chan, and any of you might want to speak to it. in december of 2018, i wrote an op-ed that the "washington post" published and i called it the world needs to stand against china's war on religion,

very amazed at my google skills, she thought it was incredible. them saying the whole thing and that was something i was very grateful to have experienced with her. i think the thing to teach is to show their lives before and to talk about what happened a lot holocaust and how they recovered. i think they kept their marriage intact and their family intact and humanity and appetite for joy and happiness intact. it was a pretty hard thing to do, but they did it and i think that's a really important lesson. it's not so much about numbers although the numbers are important. we want to know what happened but i think we want to know the people and that's more important thank you for being with us today. >> really proud to join the celebration of the well researched and well written book. we hope you found the conversation interesting today and will purchase a copy of "into the forest a holocaust story of survival, triumph and love" and then get assigned by the author. those on the live stream can order the book with the link in the chat. i hope you also

let's say your job is analyzing or taking photos or tagging photos for google earth and you're living in uganda . plus you are part of that connected global digital economy and your earning a far higher wage but your college may still be lacking in water. there's still lots of things that we need to focus on at a local level which is why i should say honestly the humanitarian message of the book is pretty simple.what are the principles? if you cannot move people to resources, move technology to people, it's one of the dimensions in the book that i think is a fairly simple law that is lost. will they move technology to people and the world will be a better place. >> this might be the final question. you've traveled so much. you grew up in several differentplaces around the world . how did that take shape shift your thinking and ideals, how did it turn you into the person you are today? >> i don't take it for granted. it's a big part of who i am. for me travel is amethodology . it's not just fun and games. it's how i research and its either reaffirms or contradicts everything that i rea

didn't need 40 republicans generally you only needed one or two but i remember working on this because google came from states. i really didn't seem to be well we disagreed the goat out on the floor debate but we never called anybody names i don't think. will some did a couple of times. there are a couple of stupid things said. i thought is more civil pretty. >> while he made it clear and he said your friendship proceeded 1976, at any time of the things that you worked on together and course the home free. sue met will back into japan, i lived there and i introduced him really. >> what you think it is different. i guess what i'm getting at is that for years of people safe need to have a liberal party in the conservative party will guess what, we have them and you parties that only have liberals and only have conservatives in are you happy with what you have pretty. >> will be to monitor as we have an new york times take care of one or two a year and we have susan collins and and 76 percent approval ratings and we have to spend a million dollars and she is in a tough race and johnson and in ne

she was always very amazed at google skills. and we found the song and then she sang it for me. she just, it was a wonderful memory and she just sang the whole thing and that was something i was very grateful to have experienced with her. >> -- holocaust -- best teach using this book? >> well, i think the things to teach and as david brought up throughout our conversation is to show the lives before and to show yes of course the talk about what happened to them in the holocaust, and then to show how they recovered. and i think, you know, that they kept their marriage in tact. they kept their family in tact. they kept their humanity in tact, their appetite for joy and for happiness in tact. it was a pretty hard thing to do. but they did it. and i think that is a really important lesson. not so much as numbers although the numbers are important. you want to know what happened and how many people but i think we want to know the people. and i think that's more important. we need to know the stories. >> rebecca and david. thank you so much for being with us today. >> thank you. thank