then barack obama gets re-elected easily two years later. this is the ebb and flow of american politics. i'm not saying it's great. i'm just saying, this is the defining feature of our time, just like, you know, for large chunks of the 19th century we had really, really crappy presidents. >> there are a couple of things. steve really kind of points them up for us. the first is understanding that, you know, 2016 is -- and '20 are presidential cycles. in between, you have the local races. so you have this national phenomena, where everybody is focused on a big name for president. then it becomes very local, which is what these governors races really reflect. and what this race in virginia says, and i think that, you know, youngkin put it right when he says, "i want to change the trajectory of the commonwealth," and he is going to focus on the local issues to help do that. he's not springing in national issues. that's what mcauliffe tried to do. he tried to tie youngkin and trump together. he tried to create this national synergy of, you know,

barack obama was elected twice. while barack obama was in office, democrats lost, i believe, 1,000 legislative seats nationwide. the consequences of that for the party have been devastating. so if you're sitting out there and you want to get engaged, you want to make a difference, don't just look to congress. this is whether you're a republican or democrat, whoever you are. look to the state legislatures. by the way, the state legislatures, this is so important, we're talking about the big lie. we're talking about january 6th. do you know why that festered? because we were still counting wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, and georgia weeks later. now, leading up to the election, we said on this show time and again, and others said, those legislatures, in order to stop any questions about the legitimacy of the election, should do what the state of florida does. yes, ron desantis, governor of the state of florida, and past governors have done, and that is count all of the early votes before the polls close on election

the only time the pattern was broken in 2013 when a leader after barack obama was reelected president and some guy named terry mcauliffe was elected governor of virginia and then the pattern went back to the same as it always been. one party wins the white house and other party wins virginia's mansion. youngkin has history and momentum on his side. what mcauliffe has on his side is math. the fact that this has been a bluer and bluer state and so the question is, do enough democrats come out to vote for mcauliffe? does youngkin motivate republicans in a year when trump is not on the ballot which plays both ways. right, trump is in a lock box. we'll not know until tonight how this works out. i think anybody tells you they know how this is going to play is wrong. we just don't know yet. i don't rule out the possibility that other candidate could win convincingly either because of the momentum or the math. let's see. >> let's put sam stein in the position telling us how this is going to play out. >> white house senator for politico. sam, how is it looking in virginia, any polls giving you

hillary clinton's campaign when she started making progress against barack obama. snooer talking about cutting the gas pipelines. >> that election has worked for other presidents as well. >> i want to step back a little bit here and follow up on what clear was just talking about, about learning from last coos. >> we talked last week about the new york times editorial. their analysis of democrats lost in virginia and governor's race. the party. this morning the wall street journal william is giving his take. he writes in part, gubernatorial contest mainly teaching about race and it raised an ethnicity in public schools. >> three easy steps, showed how not to do with it. >> first, tell parents butt out. >> second, infuriates parents by telling them they are confused and there is no real world problem. and finally accused of republican candidates of blowing a whistle. the bottom line is time for democrats to get serious of the problem they created for themselves in decades long, drift towards progressivism that repels the voters. >> they node to build a national major

also when we think about you know barack obama feeding jay-z, that's coming full circle. obama was made president because of a guy like a jay-z opening up space for young white people to believe that a highly authoratative black man can speak intelligently and black man can be a leader and white fox can follow a person like that. that created a political space for obama to manage and escalate himself and to elevate the ladder of success. in both of that census opened performances for black people in this country. >> i want to ask you, you started talking about the power of music, i can speak from my own experience as a white kid in the suburbs listening to hip-hop, it started with a good beat and all of a sudden you are listening to the lyrics of nwa or public enemy and you are hearing the stories of what's happening in their lives and community and you are listening and paying attention and understanding. what was the power of that early hip-hop as it started top move from the inner cities and spill out into the suburbs and as you say open some space for other people to

barack obama wins and that's the end of the world as republicans know it. there is no way, two years later the tea party. . >> that happens. >> it's the way it works and it goes back and forth. look at wikipedia, people. >> exactly. >> back and forth. >> especially this century, we have seen a wave of 2006 and '14 and we saw a wave in '18. this thing is going back and forth with huge swings. every time this happens, people think they are dead and buried in decades. >> i know we got elected in '94. we talked about the permanent realliancement. i remember u.s. news with buzzards circling around. >> we are going to find the next big thing out there some where. >> parties always find a way and so it's interesting. but willie, anyway, now we blink and the democrats who lost virginia and a lot of other races in virginia almost lost in new jersey, we are not getting anything done and pass the historic infrastructure pill that spike the fact that people in the house are allowing their heads to blow off their should ers. it's a bipartisan bill. last night or this mo

. >> barack obama was a tough campaigner and bill clinton was a tough campaigning. mario cuomo, he goes after reporters, that's a stupid question. i mean there had been -- bobby kennedy, a tough, tough liberal. where do those tough liberals gone? >> it's a great question, joe, one of the things that disturbs me is only the lincoln project, former republicans plus one best selling author, don winslow, who were throwing up these web ads seeing which ones went viral. they were tough ads. they should be posting hundreds and dozens at least of very tough negative ads online, see which ones go viral and soo which one of the attack messages work and they can let the market decide if it gets 20 million down loads. they know that's a pretty good tough message. they're not doing that because they're thinking of communications in yesterday's terms. if we get child care, let's go to child care center, have the president go there and do a photo-op. that's yesterday. they need to rethink this and jen psaki is terrific and they have other smart people in the white house. they need