thoughtful guy, rick perry was the governor of texas, this presidential race didn't go so well, but he had a pretty liberal education policy, a liberal immigration policy, and he opened up access to the university of texas system. it was not a liberal state, it was not a liberal republican party, but nothing like this. it unfortunately was an accurate epitome of what is happened pretty quickly and pretty recently, the real problems in texans 15 or 20 years ago, but that did not seem like the way things were going, texas is now a shorthand that's very very revealing, and for anyone who cares about a older conservative kind of republicanism, very depressing. >> i agree, well it wasn't quite portlandia, it wasn't quite business at the either. to our guest tonight, press it faster victoria soto, and bill crystal, thanks for coming on and taking our questions. coming up for us, his organization argues it's time to choose, democracy or trump. because, they argue, you can't have both. rick wilson of the lincoln project, joins us live next. project, joins us live next. dog barks you're right b
