so you take the example of jim jordan. this is a group in the freedom caucus of which i was a part initially who was very much opposed to trunk. but then they completely with the exception of justin amash who's out of congress flipped and became absolutely subservient to him. that's not a little bit of rotation on an issue based on new information or based on input from voters. it is just raw, crass pandering. and i thought it was particularly disturbing with people like meadows or jordan or mulvaney from my homestate . i remember mulvaney talking about love, if it takes shutting down the government and that's what we've got to do because this national debt is of such importance, it's a systemic threat to our civilization. we got to do whatever we can do to throw a monkeywrench in the equation . that's a viewpoint. >> he shut it down. >> the problem was only a matter of months later he becomes omb director under the from administration and completely reverses it i got into it with him. i had a bunch of committee hearings.

series of questions before the house judiciary committee, including some questions asked by congressman jim jordan from ohio, you were asked your factual predicate for your october 4 memorandum and for your conclusions in this regard. you answered before that committee that your factual predicate for that was the october 22 memorandum from the national school board association. the national school board association, it has been mentioned, has withdrawn that memorandum. given that it's rescinded its memo saying there was no justification for some of the language they used in that letter, will you rescind your memo? >> senator, to the best of my recollection, i said the impetus for my memorandum was that letter and also reports of this kind of activity. >> what reports? >> i said, again, at the time, that they were news reports that had been published. and i think some of the other senators here have described some of those news reports. and we have certainly seen subsequently more news reports and more statements by board members of threats to kill them. >> congressman chip roy of texas said