jim jordan to present the republican opposition to the criminal prosecution of steve bannon, jim -- to show why steve bannon and other trump allies are afraid of having to testify under oath to the january 6th committee. >> he said and i quote, i've talked to the president so many i can't remember all the days i've talked to him. but i've certainly talked of the president. next day on july 28 you confirmed to news that you spoke to president on january six. -- whether you spoke to the president before during or after the capital's attack, you said and i quote, i spoke with him that day after i think, after, i don't know if i spoke with in the morning or not. i just don't know i would have to get back to you. i don't know when those conversations happened, and quote. so my question is you've had 84 days since that interview to go back and check the records, so when did you speak to him on january 6th, before, during, or after the attack on the capitol? or was it all three? >> of course they talk to the president. i've been clear about. that i talk to him all the time. this is not about

and obviously, jim jordan is dodging these questions. mr. meadows was with the president prior to january 6th, on january 6th. in fact, he's seen in video at the so-called tailgate party while the president, in a tent, watched the insurrection with some joy and some appreciation for it instead of standing as the commander in chief pour the safety of our country, the safety of our democracy. we cannot forget how serious this was. this was a violent attack on our capitol on the seat of our democracy. it was destruction. it was desecration. and it ended in death. and so mr. meadows and everybody around him ought to be saying, i raise my hand, i want to come forward. >> yeah. >> and do the patriotic thing and tell the truth. i can't imagine why mr. meadows, who served this institution for years. >> yeah. >> and made friends and colleagues here across the aisle wouldn't also feel the assault on this institution, his democracy, our democracy. he should step forward, as should these other elected republican leaders who were in constant communicatio

i'm not surprised jim jordan wants to stop this, he has his hands all over the mess too. that committee is moving ahead and if bannon doesn't go, and merrick garland has to lock him up pronto. you cannot decide you are not going to comply with a subpoena in this country, that is absurd. >> i want to play more of michael steele and it's its own kind of frog boiling experiment. maybe the viewers forget. as you listen to this man, remember, he used to run the republican party. here he is today talking about secrets from inside their locker room vis-a-vis the democrats. >> let he me share a bit behind the curtain of how republicans look and see these things strategically having been in the strategic space. we know the democrats wopt act. it's not complicated, people. call their bluff. democrats won't call their bluff. on nothing. or anything. they talk. they whine, they wring their hands and it changes nothing. how do you hold them accountable? how do you force the issue? >> james you have never been above tough love for your party. that's tough love for your party. >> well,

also, her from good measure trump acolytes jim jordan and matt gates who showed up just to speak against the move to subpoena bannon. during one lively exchange, games made sure to push the former presidents lies about election fraud. do you accept that joe biden won the 2020 presidential election? >> i accept that joe biden is the president. >> do you accept that he won by 7 million votes, and if he did donald trump -- a margin that donald trump or landslide when he beat hillary clinton by the same numbers? >> i think that our election was uniquely polluted by these indiscriminate mail-in ballots. >> today just to remove any doubt republican house leaders officially reminded their members to vote no, on holding bannon in contempt. one of them used a trump to refrain to renounce the one six committees body of work. >> i think you're seeing most members get tired of the which hansen the games, let's focus on policies that affect everyday families right now, instead of these partners in witchhunts that they will keep going along. >> liz cheney who is one of the committees to republican mak

and as i watched these proceedings unfold and i watched people like jim jordan sit these proceedings out, people so eager to be part of benghazi, that select committee, the republicans forfeited their right to be there taking the lead of kevin mccarthy but what happened to the ones pushing for aggressive oversight for accountability? we said the american people have a right to know what happens in their government, how power is utilized and weaponized and used as an instrument by bad actors, where did they go? they can't bothered to be seen or heard to talk about the things that they were so happy to talk about when barack obama was president. >> yeah, benghazi was involved democrats and it was, you know, five people tragically died. it was horrific. if you look at this, as many people died as a result of what happened january 6th and republicans don't mind at all and many of them were law enforcement. they don't mind at all. maya wiley you ran for office and you understand that when one runs for office, the presumption is win or lose you accept the results and accept this is part of

he was not in the category of republican members of congress, like jim jordan no gains in marjorie greene. yet here is now. on this far right station. contributing to the martyrdom of ashley babbitt who lost her life by accusing the capitol police of murder, for firing the gun under the conditions he explicitly said were justified. congressman nails has been battling the mob, to being in apologize for. >> how could that shooting be justified? is there any way to justify that? >> no. greg, it was murder. >> there is no struggling the line between supporting insurrection and supporting democracy. no middle ground there, day by day, one by one, republicans all fall in line. they moved from the democracy camp to the insurrection, camp under the exhaustible pressure of political expedience, or genuine personal radicalization, and it's hard to say which is worse. lana sure is a congress editor for politico or she oversees coverage of this republican faction. and she joins me now. >> i find nails an interesting figure, because he's a freshman, rap key was lauded for his, what he did that day. an

i said jim jordan, i meant jim justice. i want to make that correction. >>> now let's move on to that tragic shooting on a movie set in new mexico. finally a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning almost a week out after we learn more details about what went wrong and a similar push to keep accidents from happening in the future. miguel almaguer is in santa fe with the latest. miguel? >> reporter: stephanie, over the last couple of days, investigators have been coming and going from this ranch behind me, leaving with bags of evidence, including firearms and spent shell casings. tomorrow, we expect to hear a press conference and more details as to what exactly what went wrong here. >> reporter: the set of "rust" now on indefinite pause, as santa fe sheriffs look to determine what caused the fatal accident. >> we have two people accidentally shot on a movie set by a prop gun. >> reporter: the deadly shot fired by alec baldwin from a prop gun he believed was safe. his wife, halaria posting on instagram, my heart is wi

but we haven't seen those names like minority leader can mccarthy, jim jordan, gosar. who were in contact with alexander the organizer of the rally who alexander himself has said he was in touch with him in order to grant some of the offense around the rallies that preceded the january 6th insurrection. to know those are names that we have not seen in the -- yet. it is possible they may be quietly cooperating with the select committee, controlled by chairwoman cheney by the amount of people who have come forward to voluntarily to provide information -- but we've also been told that to expect a slew of other subpoenas coming out, potential witnesses who were in touch with president trump on january 6th, and leading up to that day. >> phil rocker, i'm reminded of orwell's 1984 opens up with the clock striking 13 o'clock. i lay that out as a predicate for this question. you covered a lot of donald trump, you have coauthor two books about him, is the effort to change history, the effort to get us to believe we didn't see what we all saw with our own eyes just getting start

but we haven't seen those names like minority leader kevin mccarthy, jim jordan, people like paul gosar, mo brooks, who were in contact with ali alexander, the organizer of the stop the steal rally. alexander himself has said he was in touch with them in order to plan some of the events around the rallies that preceded the january 6th insurrection. and so those are names that we have not seen in subpoena yet. it is quite possible that they are maybe quietly cooperating with the select committee. we've been told by chairwoman thompson and cheney that they have been surprised by the amount of people who have come forward voluntarily to provide information. they've already been conducting closed door interviews. we've also been told to expect a slew of other subpoenas, actually witnesses who were in touch with president trump on january 6th and leading up to that day. >> phil rucker, i'm reminded that orwell's "1984" opens up with the clock striking 13 o'clock. i lay that out as a predicate for this question. you've covered a lot of donald trump. you've coauthored two books about him. is t

. >> i'm assuming the jim was jim jordan? >> reporter: yes. yep. >> on the hill for us following us all. thank you. >>> and a big thanks to pete as well. speaker pelosi just acknowledged the weekly news conference. there could be a significant shift in how democrats are planning to pay for the build back better spending plan. nbc news has learned both the white house and democrats on the hill are considering changing their plan to raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations to pay for the measure. senator kyrsten sinema remains opposed to raising tax on the wealthy. we learned the opposition is costing her support. five members of her council have stepped down in protest of her policy positions. we showed you the letter they sent her. kelly o'donnell is at the white house following this part of the story. kelly o, the speaker, we just heard a few moments ago, stressed this bill will be paid for no matter what, but take us through this possible shift in plans when it comes to paying for the bill. what are you learning? >> well, good to be with

jordan and matt gaetz to speak in favor of the former president. defending him on january 6th and the lawsuits he's filed in terms of executive privilege, which is what he's trying to use to both keep the national archives from releasing the records the committee wants but also it's what steve bannon says is preventing him from complying with the subpoena. he says he's leaning on what the former president has said is executive privilege in this matter. as many other legal experts and frankly the committee themselves have pointed out, they don't believe that executive privilege is warranted in this scenario. in part, because the biden white house has waved it. but also because steve bannon was not an employee of the white house at that point. he was just a private citizen. that's a point they made last night. i imagine it's one the committee members are going to continue to make as we move forward. but the important thing to keep in mind here is once this lands at the feet of the department of justice which you expect it will tomorrow after the full

among them, no surprises for viewers of this program, marjorie taylor greene, matt gates, jim jordan and kevin mccarthy. we're back with miles taylor, the cofounder and executive director of renew america. david jolly is here. how do you get rid of kevin mccarthy? >> well, look, that's a really good question, nicole, and we'd like to do our best to make it happen but there's something that i'm going to say up front here. realistically, there are some members on this list that are in super safe districts that they're going to be very hard to defeat, but in the case of kevin mccarthy and steve scalise, the reason why we put them on this list is because what we think needs to happen is we need to deny them a republican majority. it's pretty unlikely we get mccarthy and scalise of the folks on that list out of congress, but at a minimum, we need to keep them out of the house majority. now, what i'll say is that when we look at what republican leaders in congress are doing to police their own ranks, we see them completely missing in action. so, kevin mccarthy and steve scalise have done a

jim jordan said we should ban all vaccine mandates. charley clark get the tweeting party started saying reject tyranny, catch the freedom flu despite the flu kirk's colleague the co-founder at turning point died of covid last year. conservatives are also turning nba star kyrie irving into an an tie vax martyr. the brooklyn nets guard is prohibited from playing until he's vaccinated prompting donald trump to tweet about actually talented people. this time pretending he cares about black people saying kyrie just sacrificed more than kaepernick ever did. he doesn't care about black people. don calcallaway. tim, i have been searching for the rationty in embraing covid is king, let it in, let it in your business, in your schools, feed it to your kids with the breakfast cereal. this love of covid makes no sense to me except they also want to market cures for covid. they want you to buy some hydroxychloroquine or go bayou -- buy you ivermectin. maybe they want popup clinics with their favorite remedies. maybe that's it. this thing about bossi

none other than jim jordan mentioned the chicago police in a tweet along with parents saying freedom in contagious. what's contagious, the coronavirus. covid-19 has caused 64% of all police officer deaths this year. more than quadruple the number who died from gun violence. go off assistant coach. make your point. they are putting themselves ahead of the citizens they could infect. we hear that police brutality cases would even happen if only every one just complied and followed all their commands. it's clear that some officers don't hold themselves to that same standard. they are literally refusing to comply with the law. just take what happened at a new york subway stop yesterday where a rioter said he have harassed and thrown out of the station for asking officers to wear masks which is the law. the nypd says the event is under internal review. guess the cops former governor cuomo sent into the subway system are making an impact. officers and unions that are fighting to make the public sick are tonight's absolute worst. that's tonight's reid out. all in with chris hays starts now.

jordan right it's, or the lowest order contempt, the u.s. attorney must go before the grand jury to demand an indictment. and, we think it's very likely given the gravity of this matter is so overwhelming, and the facts are so clear that he just blew us off, that we think that the department of justice will move forward, of course we're not putting all of our eggs in one basket, because we are continuing to do whatever we need to do to obtain his testimony, as we've compelled it. >> what is the timeline, of your understanding of the timeline, this seems like once again we're in a situation where there is the law, and then there is the timeline of the investigation, and the obvious thing that donald trump, steve bannon and all these people like to do, is just delayed until it's essentially, you can't keep doing it, or it's too long in the future to have much import. >> no, we won't tolerate perpetual denial here, we're collecting evidence every single day, the vast majority of people that we reached out to, or testifying voluntarily, our meet

congressman matt gaetz and congressman jim jordan. they were there to speak in defense of president trump, but instead they spent most of the time trying to just throw sand in the gears and derail the entire meeting, talking about border crossings and afghanistan and president biden's son. the other panel of witnesses was a more sober one. the chairman of the january 6th investigation, bennie thompson, the vice chair of that investigation, republican congresswoman liz cheney. liz cheney voted with her colleagues on the committee last night in favor of holding bannon in contempt, and she had a strong message today for fellow republican members of congress ahead of tomorrow's vote. >> let me address my republican colleagues specifically. i heard from a number of my colleagues in the last several days who say they, quote, just don't want this target on their back, end quote. "they're just trying to keep their heads down. they don't want to anger kevin mccarthy, the minority leader. i ask each one of you to step back from the brink. i urg

. >> congressman jim jordan, there have been complaints from the republican side that he and other people who seem to have ties or connections or at least some conversations around the attempt at overturning the election were not allowed to actually be on the committee. he had some trouble today answering questions about whether he talked to donald trump before, during, or after the insurrection. do you expect to call him and potentially other members of congress? >> we absolutely expect to get to any and all the evidence, joy. i don't want to get out ahead of what we're going to do, but i assure you that we will do our work if mr. jordan in his infinite wisdom has already acknowledged that he's called, then we want to know exactly what he said, whether he called before, during or after is material to our investigation. so i can say that we will do our work, but, again, we won't be bullied by mr. jordan or anybody else. we will systematically go forward and do the work of the committee. we will find the facts and circumstances behind january 6 and call it just like the facts present thems

i saw jim jordan, the congressman from ohio tweeting christmas presents were never late when president trump was in charge. to which the daily show said you will have ask eric. is it a political thing? what's happening? could the president do more with this? >> you know, this is a global crisis that's been building throughout the pandemic. so when ports are closed in china and factories are closed in china, no politician here can control that. when ships are stuck out at sea for a couple extra weeks, no politician can solve that. we need to give our federal maritime commission more clout. we reached out to every member of congress and asked them to step up, to talk about the global shipping conglomerates and the role they played in hiking prices 500% to 800%. it's not just about the chain and the capacity, there's been a lot of profit taking here upstream. those are the things where politics around the world -- really the global community has to come together. our companies are leaders in the world. they may make products in asia but they sell them all over the world, they bring the pr

jim banks and jim jordan, but not congressman nehls. of course the whole thing fell apart. but again, nehls was not in the crazy category and yet here he is now. on this far right station contributing to the martyrdom. congressman nehls has gone to being an apoll gist for it. how could that shooting be justified? is there any way to justify that? >> no. greg, it was murder. >> there is no straddling the line between supporting the insurrection and supporting democracy. no middle ground there. day by day, one by one, republicans all fall in line. they moved from the democracy camp under the insurrection camp where genuine personal radicalization and it's hard to say which is worse. lana shore oversees coverage of this republican faction and she joins me now. alanna, i find nehls an interesting figure because he's a freshman rep. he was lauded for what he did that day and he was not, he has not made a name for himself in the caucus in the way that say marjorie taylor greene has sought to and yet here he is saying that wildly inflammatory thing, quite casually, in fact. >> sur

three months ago, for the first time in the history of congress, speaker pelosi vetoed jim jordan and i from serving on the select committee to investigate january 6. not all -- >> we have been listening to the debate on the house floor as the members of the house, about two hours from now, are expected to vote on whether to refer to the doj the criminal contempt of steve bannon who has refused to comply with the january 6 subpoena. and you heard liz cheney earlier, the top republican on the january 6 committee, speaking of former president donald trump. and she said that the former president must have been aware of and may have been involved in the planning of january 6. we will keep an eye on the house floor. we'll take a quick break. >>> and coming up next, we'll talk about an msnbc exclusive. new documents that detail the conflicts of interest of the postmaster general louis dejoy and allegations that the postal service mishandled those conflicts from the start. ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibi

. >> those protests from republican congressmen matt gaetz and jim jordan did not ultimately help their cause. the house voted on thursday, the ball is now in the department of justice's court. the u.s. attorney's office in washington, d.c. will make the final decision on whether the former trump aide will in fact be charged. let's talk more about this. joining me now politico national correspondent betsey woodruff swan. thank you, both, guys. joyce, i want to start with this one and ask you a question of timing now. what can we expect when it comes to the department of justice as to whether or not they're going to move forward with a prosecution of steve bannon? >> i don't think we can have a set time line, yasmin. the reality is this will be looked at through several layers of supervisors inside the d.c. u.s. attorney's office. presumably they'll consult with folks at main justice. they may for all we know have made up their minds and be on a quick time line. but this could also take a longer amount of time as they gather evidence and make some of the other considerations that the fed

yesterday, congressman jim jordan of ohio, the guy with no coat. the guy who never wears a coat, he urged an end to -- he urged ohio to end all mandates of all vaccines. not just thevaccines. >> oh, my god, what an idiot. >> polio, measles, all vaccines. that's where this is going. it's not just congress, joe, you know it's republican states, republican-led legislatures i might be wrong, i'm often wrong, this may be the epic issue of our age to re-hold on to our democracy in the light of all of these public people. elected governors, elected members of congress, elected members of the united states senate. we just had the -- you reported on it the other day, the number two republican in the house of representatives steve scalise of louisiana, still refusing to admit that joe biden is legitimately elected president of the united states. this is all happening right in front of our eyes. and from my point of view, from my grandchildren's point of view who i think about all day long, this is the issue of our time. because they're not going to have the

jordan used this week, house minority leader kevin mccarthy has also used that talking point in the past. it suggests that this argument is very much about all vaccines, and i think that we're seeing republicans who, in many cases, were against the coronavirus vaccine may be coming over to that viewpoint that maybe all of these vaccines should be, nicole, at least when it comes to mandating them for children. >> one, it's terrifying ahead of the october 26th scheduled meeting for the vaccine to be approved for 5 to 11-year-olds but two, pull the thread. what does that mean? republicans are now pro childhood death from diseases that have long been eradicated, aaron? >> and what the -- i think what the real question is, whether we're going to see republicans in some of these state legislatures start to edge toward actually doing something about this kind of growing anti-vaccine mandate fervor in their party and we've already seen in a couple of cases, at least edging towards that. we saw in tennessee a few months ago this summer where the state health department moved to stop all vacc

people like jim jordan were on that committee upholding the right of congressional oversight is part of the sanctity of our democracy. they are saying we are so in league with donald trump that we will throw ourselves in front of steve bannon, to protect this guy, who wasn't even a white house official, at the same time when we have a situation where january 6th is not over. there are on going efforts to perpetuate the big lie, to pass laws at the state level that will make the next january 6th successful. what you are seeing here is republicans once again saying that their own role, their own power, is far less important to them than whatever donald trump said. and that's a really dangerous ongoing crisis for our democracy. >> anna palmer what do they say about cutting off their noses to spite their faces, babiening the body in -- weakening the body in which they serve? >> i think republicans are super focused just on their own election. i don't know that they have the fortitude nor the desire to look towards what is happening in the institution ten years from now, 12 years from now

at other points, trump names names, jim jordan republican of ohio who he describes as a fighter. he names other names, representative scott perry, republican of pennsylvania, who at the time promoted the idea that the election was stolen there trump. and he mentions senator ron johnson of wisconsin who trump praised for, quote respect getting to the bottom of things. it is unclear what things those are. but you have names, you have a path, you want to know if those men were complicit in an attempt to overturn the result of the election. >> surely, of course. and it is good to be with you, nicolle. i think those notes are staggering and of course the conversations that they reveal equally staggering. i think that the fact that the select committee is interviewing mr. donahue is an important development, really important step. we know that the department of justice was weaponized or at least the president attempted to weaponized department of justice to ultimately subvert the peaceful transfer of power. but there is a lot that we still don't know about the interactions between mr.