there are still security threats in europe, not the least from russia. but from russia, the campaign's hedge. it's the right priority. if america loses dominance in the indo pacific, it will cause a shocking power balance that will engulf europe, too. you see china is the biggest threat, not only to the united states, bill daley, but to europe as well? guest: absolutely. we have seen strength. personally, we have seen chinese economic cooperation, for instance in australia and india, and europe. it has been subject to economic co-opting from china because they do not borrow chinese directives, and we have also seen china pursue what are called unfair trade practices and stealing of technology. for instance, chinese companies are competing with our private companies, helped by chinese state subsidies. that is not a level playing field. recently, we have seen that even more sophisticated chinese approach where they pursue what i call strategic investments in infrastructure and business centers that are strategically important to us, and to counter this agg

we knew all the factories all over europe we would use this technology for making electric motors. and we are going to use a lot of laser welding. we are going to use it very specifically but it's not something many people have done. there are a few experts throughout the world who can help us with that. but we need them on the shop floor. we want to use 5g to make it on the floor. that could be getting all the data from the machine. so a very data rich machine and data coming out of the machine. it could be about transforming that data to where they can interrogate it and help us with what's going on. or it could be reality where people are wearing headsets and getting help directly from those people who may be elsewhere with one of our partners. a place stack with the best welding experts. they are an hour and a half away the -- when we start building parts all over europe and having them available will be a massive asset to us. a great opportunity to use that technology. sec. mayorkas: fantastic -- tom: fantastic, thank you. what are you learning about 5g's usefulness for manufa

prestige in europe because in most of europe, you do now have a political consensus across the conservative political spectrum, as well as the liberals on the left, on the existence of climate change and the need to do something about it. i myself am going up to glasgow to talk to the conservative environment network. i am a small speaker to that. boris johnson is a big speaker to it. so this does damage the united states leadership of the democracy and more widely. as i say, the u.s. is seeking close partnership with india. so the united states to withdraw from climate change agreements, then you have democrats coming back and demanding that india fulfill them, well that does not go down well in a very -- what remains on a per capita basis. host: you mention the conservative climate group. is the difference between views -- the political difference between the conservative group there, you mentioned the prime minister speaking, he is the leader of the conservative party. is the difference as wide as it is here in the united states on the views -- in terms of the view on climate change? gue

we've been competing for decades and one example is in europe. i visited the baltics earlier this summer and i will visit some additional nato allies next month. we had partnered with european allies since before 2014, focused on resistance and building resistance networks, but also on resilience and the ability -- my definition is to take a punch and get right back up. that is not just in the baltics, latvia, let the weenie at, and estonia, but through -- lithuania, and estonia, but that is throughout europe before russia started to invade ukraine. we will continue to engage. i also give another example of the philippines. we work with our closest allies and partners since 2001 and it is important. it is the only named operation in all of the indo pacific with operation pacific evil, with an ally and trusted partner. as i went and visited the philippines, when i first came into command, it was obvious that our forces were there as a partner of choice, not just in the philippines but i would argue, inside the entire indo pacific region. both exam

it is through the rest of europe. that started before russia's invasion in the ukraine and other parts of europe. but we have remained earnest and we will continue to engage. i will also give another example of the philippines. we have been network with our closest allies and partners since 2001. it is important, it is the only named operation in all of the indo pacific with operation pacific people, with an ally. and a trusted partner. as i visited the philippines, when i first came into command, it was obvious our forces were there as a partner of choice. not just the philippines, but i would argue the entire indo pacific region. in both examples i gave, we have been there at the behest of the host nation, utilizing cultural and language expertise, but most importantly, leading with our values. the third and final area i will discuss is how we are modernizing for the future. one of those important access is -- aspects is technologies along with machine learning. i would argue we have been a pathfinder inside the dep

we have got to learn from the mistakes of some of our friends in europe, from the state of california, and proceed in a way based on science and based on america's resources that are affordable and clean. for us, double and triple down on these strategies that have proven to not work is an awful path forward for the united states. host: bob in virginia, independent. caller: good morning, representative graves. guest: good morning. caller: the air quality and the temperature are two completely separate things. there is a thing called the milankitovch cycles. he was a serbian astrophysicist, mathematician just, as drum assists -- as dramatist, and a civil engineer, and he calculated the position of the earth in relation to the sun. everyone needs to look that up. it has to do with the orbit around the sun, the tilt of the axis of the earth, and the movement of the earth around the axis. this happens on a 26,000 and a 100,000-year cycle. this was all explained. host: ok, the congressman is shaking his head. guest: bob, thanks. i hope i do not ever have to repeat the spelling of that name

not just the united states, but also europe. look at cern. we are still waiting for the grant unified theory to come out of that equipment. but in the meantime, they gave us the world wide web. they could not have done it if he was not employed at cern. in the united states, similarly, look at all of the standards on the internet coming about because all the money put into the space program. look at our history and repeat the things that we did right. above all, for god's sake, do not hotdog, swerve, turn programs on and off, do not due to standards in the digital space what the united states has done with the space program. >> excellent advice. thank you. i want to invite the audience to submit questions they have for the panel. while we are seeing those questions up, i want to turn the discussion to have the public and private sector can work together to bolster the u.s. standards space. >> i think there is a lot of will on both sides to work together better. it is not easy, as fran noted, to get a comprehensive governmental approach to any

it is through the rest of europe. that started before russia's invasion in the ukraine and other parts of europe. but we have remained earnest and we will continue to engage. i will also give another example of the philippines. we have been network with our closest allies and partners since 2001. it is important, it is the only named operation in all of the indo pacific with operation pacific people, with an ally. and a trusted partner. as i visited the philippines, when i first came into command, it was obvious our forces were there as a partner of choice. not just the philippines, but i would argue the entire indo pacific region. in both examples i gave, we have been there at the behest of the host nation, utilizing cultural and language expertise, but most importantly, leading with our values. the third and final area i will discuss is how we are modernizing for the future. one of those important access is -- aspects is technologies along with machine learning. i would argue we have been a pathfinder inside the dep

since great energized is to be one of the most productive regions in the whole of europe. they may still have their problems but they are overwhelmingly caused by these sheer lust of other people to live in or near. [laughter] endless commutes, too little time with the kids, the constant anxiety your view is desecrated but ugly new homes. that is why leveling up work for the whole country. it is the right and responsible policy because it helps to take the pressure point simultaneously offering hope and opportunity to those areas that it felt left behind. let's be clear there is a huge philosophical difference between us in our neighbors. they like leveling down. it. [laughter] they do. [applause] they like decapitating and taxing the rich they dislike athletic competitions and i kid you not have seen it with my own eyes, they eat like kids to run races. i've seen it when nobody actually wins. it. [laughter] i have to tell you i do not think that is a good preparation for life let alone for the olympic games. [applause] [applause] and if you insist on the economic theory b

whether it is in africa, latin america or europe. everywhere. they are doing it very quickly. jonathan: when it comes to diplomacy and who is winning the game of influence between the united states and china, china has distributed 1.1 billion vaccines according to its own data anyway. united states has delivered about 190 million vaccines. the chinese vaccine may not be as effective, probably, as u.s. vaccines, but how do you think the united states has fared when compared to china when it specifically relates to vaccine diplomacy coming out of the coronavirus? rep. castro: among the members of congress who have argued we should do more for the world, obviously we need to make sure we take care of americans and in this case we get the remaining folks fully vaccinated and also get boosters, but also that we step up our efforts around the world. you're right, china has practice from the beginning vaccine diplomacy it is trying to leverage the gifting and sometimes even the sale of their vaccines to gain concessions in other areas. whether it is military, economic, so forth. unit

came at the same time as revolutions across europe, trying to cast off emperors and kings. you have the french revolution. immigrants were looking for a better life in which we the people would be able to play a role in our society. we are throwing that way. we are enthralled to political parties that do not necessarily have our interests in mind. they're not making changes in the way that we are hoping and are in -- we are in real danger of putting everything in the hands of one person, which is the reason we had a revolution in the first place. i am basically hoping people will take a long look at what is happening. to emphasize all of the ideas of who you are and just think about the u.s. and who you want to be and the future that we want for our children and for ourselves. this is the way to get it by focusing on one person and who is that person -- is this the way to get it? our local communities, our states, there is a lot of prospects we have being agents of change. host: 10 minutes left. you mentioned families a minute ago. the dedication in your book is for alf and

it's also true in europe. so if you are a company, if you are a country, the last thing you want to do is have them most -- the most punitive taxes in the world. host: what industries are considering that now? guest: it is important to know when businesses did that. if you go back to pre-2017, we had a lot of industries or u.s. companies purchased by overseas companies because it was economically advantageous to be located abroad because of the punitive u.s. taxes. in late 2017, a tax reform bill was passed, and since then the number of corporate and -- corporate inversions, u.s. companies re-incorporating into a foreign country has been zero. that is an important bill that has protected america's industrial base. but what would happen if this proposed bill becomes law is we would reverse that and go back to the days where u.s. companies are sitting targets for foreign competitors. host: on twitter, what was the chamber's position in the previous administration on the tax cut from donald trump that blew a hole

we will see in regard to this in europe as well when it gets cold. the other thing is china, i think we have to be careful not to overstate what china is, china has internal threats coming to roost here. we are -- there one child policy years ago is making china the oldest country in the world and that will impact their workforce and other things so there's a lot of things that will preclude china from achieving their goals but one i want to emphasize, this is where the pentagon grows is cybersecurity arena. recently the washington post, they highlighted resignation for the defense official who said war on cybersecurity work china has already lost. i spent a fair amount of my time on cybersecurity issue. constantly it is not lost. if we apply ourselves and organize ourselves, the better way which to take on this fight, the u.s. can be the global leader on cybersecurity issues and render ourselves relatively impenetrable and completely secure in a relatively short period of time and provide that capability to our friends and allies so this is a near-t

i want to bring you a little information from reuters about what is going on in europe. president joe biden wants to show the climate conference and conference that the u.s. is back in the fight against global warming, but is continuing haggling against his climate jewels -- climate goals in congress. biden had hoped to showcase legislation to reduce u.s. greenhouse gas emissions by 2030, encouraging other rations to take other actions to protect the earth. -- some aspects of the program that would award countries that adopted programs, penalizing those that did not. earlier this week, president biden came out to highlight the climate provisions in his ne w framework. [video clip] >> this makes the most significant investments to deal with the crime -- the climate clices. over one billion metric tons of a reductions, at least 10 times bigger than any big passed before, enough to position us for us a bigger reduction by 2030, and we will do it in ways that gross domestic industry, creates good paying union jobs, and addresses long-standing injustice. doing things like wea

there are phones on air force one and also in europe. so he will continue to be engaged even as we move to the trip. as it relates to the second part of your question was about the tax component. as we talked about a bit in here eric when the president proposed his initial build back better ageneral dark he rolled out a series of tax reform initiatives that were as important to him as the investment initiatives because he feels that our tax system is unfair, that it's outdated and that it was long -- long in need of reforms. you're referring to what's being shorthanded as the billionaires taxes, an idea put out by many in congress including nart warren, it's an idea that's under consideration and discussion. i will note that there are a lot of different tax proposals that are out there. that are being discussed by members right now. as a meens of not just paying for the package but again making the system more fair. including a corporate minimum tax that would include a 15% corporate minimum. as a reminder, 55 companies last year of the

military in germany or anywhere in europe after the election? >> there's zero evidence to support new part of that allegation including the idea they were dominion servers in germany at any time. >> for the record "u.s.a. today," associated press and reuters and rated it false. the u.s. army denied performing the rode and the company didn't have servers in germany unquote. the week before january 6 mr. logan prepared a document for the saufrpbgsed trump lawyer it help republic senators who wanted to object to the certification of the election. this document's central columbia downon's core software quote originates from intellectual property of smart mattuck a company founded in commune urs venezuela with links to chavez. mr. becker, you are an expert in this field and stoudemired elections. are you aware of any evidence to suggest that the dominion core software originates with a company with tuesday of chavez? >> there's no connection between dominion or any other software vendor and hugo chavez or the nation of venezuela to 43 knowledge or nu

prestige in europe because in most of europe, you do now have a political consensus across the conservative political spectrum, as well as the liberals on the left, on the existence of climate change and the need to do something about it. i myself am going up to glasgow to talk to the conservative environment network. i am a small speaker to that. boris johnson is a big speaker to it. so this does damage the united states leadership of the democracy and more widely. as i say, the u.s. is seeking close partnership with india. so the united states to withdraw from climate change agreements, then you have democrats coming back and demanding that india fulfill them, well that does not go down well in a very -- what remains on a per capita basis. host: you mention the conservative climate group. is the difference between views -- the political difference between the conservative group there, you mentioned the prime minister speaking, he is the leader of the conservative party. is the difference as wide as it is here in the united states on the views -- in terms of the view on climate change? gue

having a pacific-first strategy and ignoring europe for the time being. it was decided not to do that. it was the first time it was decided we were going to focus on your first and we would fight -- on europe first and we would fight the war in the pacific, but that was not a priority yet. we will defeat hitler's it also first. became the first time the british and the americans really tentatively began working as a team. general patton was there behind the scenes and he was the logistical coordinator of the whole thing. it gave him a chance to getting to know people like harry hopkins, his right-hand man, in a casual manner to get to know how foreign policy was made. it's really great because even though it was very early in the war, this was the meeting where everybody kind of came together and said, here is not just how we are going to win, but here is what the world is going to look like after the war. host: from that point forward, when did the plan for d-day come together? mr. dugard: oh, that was such an act of diplomacy. to me, it's kind of a sad

europe has now said, we want in on that, so we also want to invest tens of billions. those companies find the same market so there's competitive element there for sure as the u.s., or the eu doesn't want to be dependent on the u.s. for its semiconductor manufacturers supply chains. that's an area of competition, talent is an area of competition, too. we have canada advertising with big billboards in silicon valley saint if you have h-1b problems, visa problems, come to canada. we are very open, we have low taxes. that campaign has been running for many years and having a lot of success. the u.s. says we want to cooperate on talent with other countries but that often means getting their people to come work in the u.s. which is obviously a little bit of a competitive element. that's an area where there is competition. on the china side, there is a little bit of collaboration on the talent side. i will stop after this point. that there's a lot of countries similarly concerned to just china trying to figure out what to do about china's attempts to use overseas talent to t

the strategy in europe is a great example and california is a great example. we can either follow strategies that work or continue to do what you all are trying to do, and nippy lighting technology, taking options away from innovators. at the end of the day resulting in higher emissions and higher prices. it is a flawed approach and we have the evidence to prove that yours -- it is irresponsible to continue in this position. rep. castor: members have five business days to enter opening statements. we will hear from experts on the challenges and opportunities for international climate action as world leaders prepare together in glasgow for cop26. first, taryn franson is a senior fellow at the world resources global climate program where she focuses on climate strategies and nationally determined contributions with a view of leveraging these and other policy instruments into rapid decarbonization. in 2018 she served as a senior policy advisor on the global climate action summit for the office of the governor of california and prior to that she led the open clima

so europe has to be part of this strategy. and i credit ambassador kay bailey hutchison who was our great american ambassador under president trump, she pushed this issue and she was right to do that. europe? >> the reason -- >> or are they ignoring that? >> i don't think they're ignoring it, senator. the reason i use the term china is not an olympian power in my statement, and i meant it specifically, they have enormous strengths, they have very few friends. they have no real allies. think of the strategic advantage we have with our 29 allies, in canada, the europeans, and nato, and our multiple treaty allies in the indo-pacific. it is our comparative advantage, i think president biden has been working overtime with secretary blinken to reach out to our allies in nato and the indo-pacific to say we need to be working together strategic on china. >> thank you thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you. let me echo senator shaheen's comments about lithuania. how we respond is a test for the west. when a country stands up against chi

europe is different. there are so many countries with different views. of course we're waiting for the formation of the german government, we'll have to wait and see what the social democrats and the greens do. but i would note that the greens were very critical of china during the recent campaign in germany. and certainly president macron has spoken out about the dangers of china in the indo-pacific. and france is unique among the european powers because it is an indo-pacific country as well. and so i think we've got to work both the north atlantic alliance, the european union, but especially our indo-pacific allies, to be successful. >> there are some who look at china and say it's a juggernaut, there's no way to slow it down, it's not a course that is unstoppable. do you see it that way? is there a way of dissuading china from a course as malevolent as what we're seeing today? do they have some fundamental weaknesses that the rest of the world recognizes and can get them to divert from the course they're on? >> it's certainly a -- yours is certainly a

they wanted to use american forces and land in europe for the invasion of france. but that was not possible at the time. the american troops were untrained, we had a very modest army. people think of the american army as being enormous, but in 1940, america is the 17th largest army in the world behind romania. so we had all this juggernaut that we would become. so when we finally get men and material to at least have a presence, to establish ourselves in the war, we did it in northern africa instead of going straight into france. northern africa was controlled by the nazis nominally. we were basically fighting the french. as we slipped further into africa, further east, that is when we kind of wobble in the desert spot. it's a big part of the book as well. he is pivotal in the invasion of france and defensive north africa, but ultimately he cannot do it because that is when you introduce george pradhan -- george patton and the american army learns how to fight for the first time. the thing about the african theater -- i am kind of jumping around here, but we think

i want to bring you a little information from reuters about what is going on in europe. president joe biden wants to show the climate conference and conference that the u.s. is back in the fight against global warming, but is continuing haggling against his climate jewels -- climate goals in congress. biden had hoped to showcase legislation to reduce u.s. greenhouse gas emissions by 2030, encouraging other rations to take other actions to protect the earth. -- some aspects of the program that would award countries that adopted programs, penalizing those that did not. earlier this week, president biden came out to highlight the climate provisions in his ne w framework. [video clip] >> this makes the most significant investments to deal with the crime -- the climate clices. over one billion metric tons of a reductions, at least 10 times bigger than any big passed before, enough to position us for us a bigger reduction by 2030, and we will do it in ways that gross domestic industry, creates good paying union jobs, and addresses long-standing injustice. doing things like wea

here that's true with china but china's trade with europe is very, very important. china's trade in the indo-pacific area is important. that's why i think the allied approach is critical now. we're 30 years past japan-u.s. discussions. and that's why this has to be a multilateral approach. and the democracies have to take the lead. that's why i believe it will be stronger. you asked for an assessment of where we are. i think progress was made. i credited steve mnuchin, the treasury secretary, and pompeii yoa, in my rashes for making progress in some areas on telling this story. technology probably being the top. you deal with that greatly in your report. this is the concern of the military leaders in our free countries as well as the private sector, civilian use. so you touched on a.i. and biotechnology, for example. but in the trump administration, you certainly saw this allied consensus centered around what? telecommunications. as i said on the house floor one day there's a right way and a huawei to handle telecommunications policy. you've seen japan and the u.s.

early on was manufactured in europe. a lot use outside the u.s. is manufactured in the u.s. facility, in pfizer's michigan facility. it is the same vaccine. the caller might be referring to the way different regulatory bodies have acted. some have fully approved the vaccine. the vaccine is fully approved in the u.s. in other markets, it might still be offered under some emergency use authorization process. it might be different in terms of how they are regulated and labeled but the actual, physical product is the same. host: it might be a good time to talk about what the pfizer vaccine for children is and when kids can likely be able to get the vaccine. guest: the vaccine being developed for children 5-11, it is authorized for 12 and above. the fda will be meeting october 26 to discuss the application from pfizer, the company i am on the board of, for the vaccine for 5-11, assuming there is a positive recommendation at that meeting, the cdc is scheduled to meet november 2-3. they would make a recommendation on which population should be eligible for the vaccine and how it sh

he became the leading black citizen of cincinnati and then he moves to europe. buying american horses and stage races in europe that would show they were as competitive as british horses that he became something of an international celebrity written about in europe. he came back to the united states after the civil war when black rights were protected and became the leading black politician in ohio which was a key state in the country because it was the swing state in presidential politics. that was robert harlan. position of power and an actual personal relationship with people like ulysses-esque grant, rutherford b hayes been governor of ohio, garfield, mckinley, all of them knew robert harlan. it was from that perch where she helped john marshall harlan, validate the fact that his views on civil rights were supportive of african-americans in a time where people doubted it. people said he supported these comprise before the civil war, slow to support people war amendments, frequently as attorney general of kentucky had disputes with the federal government. yet

early on was manufactured in europe. a lot use outside the u.s. is manufactured in the u.s. facility, in pfizer's michigan facility. it is the same vaccine. the caller might be referring to the way different regulatory bodies have acted. some have fully approved the vaccine. the vaccine is fully approved in the u.s. in other markets, it might still be offered under some emergency use authorization process. it might be different in terms of how they are regulated and labeled but the actual, physical product is the same. host: it might be a good time to talk about what the pfizer vaccine for children is and when kids can likely be able to get the vaccine. guest: the vaccine being developed for children 5-11, it is authorized for 12 and above. the fda will be meeting october 26 to discuss the application from pfizer, the company i am on the board of, for the vaccine for 5-11, assuming there is a positive recommendation at that meeting, the cdc is scheduled to meet november 2-3. they would make a recommendation on which population should be eligible for the vaccine and how it sh

military facilities, for instance, in the middle east and in europe to help facilitate the flow of those folks. but d.o.d. is really just in support in that case. and what you're seeing, again, is more of a -- an ability, both to bring folks through the state department process for providing documentation, securing -- ensuring that the documentation is accurate. you have a d.h.s.-led process on vetting and review to ensure that the right people are coming out. and then d.o.d. is providing some of the backdrop. we're not the ones lifting out. the other major thing i would flag is the standing up of the commercial side of the kabul airport. and that's an effort under way. that third countries are working with the state department to try to get that airport up and operational. and that, again, if you combine the ability for commercial aircraft to come through and move without coming to u.s. military facilities, for instance, just going through commercial air traffic, and the ability of the state department to provide continuing support for the visa process and for the validation of those wh

>> general powell, sir, i -- most of iraq, i was in europe at the time working for nato. and i had a very different sort of environment than you had here, where i was the crazy american and all these europeans were talking about why are we doing this? and i tried to hold tight my corner pretty well there. but i had a couple of puzzles that i couldn't account for. one was, there were so many leaks that shocked me so completely, and there was an awful lot of rumor that just before the outbreak of the iraq war, there was caravans loading what might be weapons into syria. can you say anything about either or both? gen. powell: yeah, i saw those reports, and we looked into them pretty thoroughly, and there were a lot of people who said, well, the weapons were there, and they were either buried or sent to syria. i've seen no evidence that either of those things actually accounts for the absence of weapons. there were no weapons, any -- in my humble judgment, and the judgment of the intelligence community now. host: yes? >> general powell, you say that you feel the u.s. military

>> general powell, sir, i -- most of iraq, i was in europe at the time working for nato. and i had a very different sort of environment than you had here, where i was the crazy american and all these europeans were talking about why are we doing this? and i tried to hold tight my corner pretty well there. but i had a couple of puzzles that i couldn't account for. one was, there were so many leaks that shocked me so completely, and there was an awful lot of rumor that just before the outbreak of the iraq war, there was caravans loading what might be weapons into syria. can you say anything about either or both? gen. powell: yeah, i saw those reports, and we looked into them pretty thoroughly, and there were a lot of people who said, well, the weapons were there, and they were either buried or sent to syria. i've seen no evidence that either of those things actually accounts for the absence of weapons. there were no weapons, any -- in my humble judgment, and the judgment of the intelligence community now. host: yes? >> general powell, you say that you feel the u.s. military

whether you are deployed around the world, in europe, in the pacific, if you need cyber support, it will come from u.s. cyber command. that is the cyber command side. let me talk about the national security agency. next week, 69 years old. really, i would tell you we are a global organization. our focus is two part. we do for intelligence, outside the united states, focused on signals intelligence. if it is on a wire, email, transitioning in cyberspace, from our adversaries, we are trying to gain insight. the second piece is we do cybersecurity. this is a part of the mission that is not well known about nsa. we do two very important things. first of all, we do all of the code making for the most critical and lethal weapons systems. think about our most lethal weapons systems, we are doing the actual coding for that to make sure we have assurances of being able to communicate, acknowledge and authenticate who is using those systems. the second piece is, we are very focused on the technical side, being able to identify and eradicate threats in cybersecurity with partners like u.s. army com

if it was not for the united states, europe would all be under fascism. government has a role. we are not perfect. when government is called to do something, we do it. we have a terrific interstate system. you can try from miami to seattle and not stop anywhere if you had that much fuel. i do not think people should be so pessimistic about our government. host: when you see polls that say as far as the current trend is concerned showing a favoring of reduced government role, what you think of that? caller: i think people are watching the right wing media too much. they are being influenced by propaganda. just look around and see what government does for you. it is amazing. let's say transportation. look around and try to be thankful. that is all i can say. thank you very much. host: that is lou from highland park illinois. you're welcome to call in and the 15 minutes or so we have left. (202) 748-8001 for republicans, (202) 748-8000 for democrats, and independents, (202) 748-8002 . jennifer jones saying small government is why corporations have so many loopholes. republicans ha