>> in fact, i worry about these illiberal populist movements, whether you think of the movement in argentina are viktor orban in hungary but you see these movements popping up, not just in the united states at around the world. i often felt the former president trump was more of a consequence than a cause. in other words, he didn't start the fire was more like an accelerant. he's gasoline on the fire. i am deeply concerned about the fragility of these institutions. i see some in the media are trying to hold up viktor orban in hungry some sort of paradigm, a virtue and what we should aspire to. and i thought geez, my wife is part hungarian. but i never thought of hungary as the place that was the forefront of political or economic or technological advance. i mean, it's not. and why are we looking at hungary as the model? where the press has less freedoms come with the judiciary is also best independent because of politicians but it's hard to maintain a democracy, anybody can have an election. the old soviet union used to have elections. everybody voted and they controlled with the candidates