one key thing that happened actually over the weekend on sunday was the resignation of melissa derosa, his top aide, the woman who has spent -- if you watched every single briefing last year, if you were in the room like myself, she was in the room next to him and he was the person he would turn to to describe certain things going on with the pandemic, but also years and years of background and history between the two so once she detargeted and said she was going to resign. that was a major sign. i still didn't think it was going to be as soon as yesterday that the governor would step down, but melissa derosa's departure was absolutely a major sign of the governor being at the end. >> yeah. and to your point, his attorney ryota glavin was on this program the day before sounding defiant on behalf of her client and to a lawyer's perspective, cindy, i want to get your reaction to the governor's defense here, and a little bit and we saw it, you know, in that news conference where he kind of said, you know, he's from a different generation. he used and tried to infer that there was a cultu