stacey abrams could have easily said, oh hell no, we're not doing this compromise. this doesn't go along with any of the progressive voting legislation that we want. but she stood in the town square, if you will, with the american people to say, yeah, okay, i get it, this is about our voting rights and changing the system and making it better. so republicans aren't about that. i think we know that now very clearly. so what it's going to require is the rest of us. what citizens are joining those legislators who come into town this week? what efforts are occurring in state capitols around the country to press on state legislators that the american people don't want this change? because wake up, folks. there's no fraud in the 2020 election. what the hell do you think is going to happen in 22 and 24? that's what the big setup is. that's what this setup is all about. so the stcey abrams, the joe manchins, the liz cheneys, they're trying to course correct before we get there so we don't have to confront real fraud when republican legislators decide, you know what, i'm sor

let's say it is stacey abrams. that will be a powerful top of the ticket for georgia democrats, and i think reverend -- senator reverend warnock will be able to articulate not just the work he has done in the past few years but bring in the larger work of stacey abrams and fair fight, and so many organizations, specifically black women, who have been doing the work for decades and definitely done the work of the past two years to present a larger picture to georgia voters about their duty, but also their continued duty not just to get him into office but to keep democrats like himself in office in the years to come. so, hopefully, tagging on to what eddie has said it is not just about primaries with democrats also, we have to make sure that specifically white americans who understand the importance of the right to vote start proselytizing to their relatives who don't think it is a big deal and it is sort of a tempest in a tea pot. we need to get people, to reach them where they are, obviously our messaging is not g

we heard the same thing during the democratic primary in georgia in 2018 with stacey abrams and stacey evans. as a political scientist, do any of these larger ideological manners, like do they matter to the local voters in ohio? aren't they just looking at who will be the best representative as opposed to a d.c. battle? >> absolutely i think it matters to us, but i think you are talking about the policies of ohio 11. the folks there will be thinking about who they see on a regular basis, who has done the most for them lately, as janet jackson would say. so i don't think any of these sort of questions about whether this is going to be a sanders/biden proxy battle will hold much water with the voters of the county because really those people are concerned about lots of day-to-day things that federal government just can't address. so they're going to be thinking about who have i seen in my community, who do i know and who knows me and who can speak to me. >> and i think what is key about that, dr. carter, is think about it. they've had two really good representatives. you had stephanie tu

we saw what stacey abrams was able to accomplish in georgia. ultimately, voting and elections are run at the state and local level. it has to be a wake-up call to folks in the state to make sure they are doing what they need to do at their state and local level to have elected officials that are not going to suppress your vote, that are not going to vote for legislation that makes it more difficult to vote, and that you have people there that are doing what they're supposed to do to protect the vote. but at the same time there should be also national, national outcry, to neal's point, because what republicans are doing is absolutely despicable. unfortunately, michael, you and i know this all too well, it is not new. it is just out there in the open now. they are out there saying the quiet parts out loud. when you were rnc chairman you knew what some of the voter suppression efforts were going on out there, and you were trying really hard to make sure those sort of untoward things didn't happen and it was a challenge back then. but now because o

just two weeks ago, i did a voting special with stacey abrams in regards to right now being our time. we know that she's a voting rights advocate and she made the case so clear before the supreme court, i unfortunately have to tell you that if we continue and i want to thank you for having many actual message on right now. if we continue to ignore it, i almost felt and tell me if you agree that when the supreme court handed down that decision, it was quiet. it was almost of damaging statue did not really strike a blow to indiscrimination. yes, i appreciate your colleague standing before us saying we have to take action now. now we have to fight even harder. there is a reason why and i get so angry when i speak to people that i know friends and family members in so many cases say your vote does not matter. why did they fight it so hard to take it away? >> right, cari, i have to ask you to come back much earlier in the hour. i agree with you. the supreme court's decision because it puts the wings on the back of these republicans, you raised a great point. why are they trying so hard to

i understand it is not an either/or, but do you worry that the measures -- and i think stacey abrams is also organizing a big drive, and i know you have in the state you have, but it feels like what republicans are doing is saying put on this backpack full of heavy rocks and walk all the way to the top. you know what? if you make it and you are able to vote, we still might not count you because we might make up a fake fraud claim and we will put one of our pals in charge of deciding whether that is true or not. some no more raffensperger. i mean is it a prude path to try to work around all of these laws or do you need this federal legislation? >> we need this federal legislation and we needed it like yesterday. you know, we continue to focus on the voting side of this, but the reality is a lot of the legislation deals with what we're about to deal with again, redistricting, right, and the gerrymandering aspect of it. you know, we are looking at most likely losing the house for a couple of reasons. number one, because of the voting laws that they're trying to implement and, number two