congresswoman joyce beatty joins us next.

joining us now, joyce vance. former u.s. attorney. professor at the university of alabama school of law. she's an msnbc legal contributor. joyce, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i have to say, reading these legal filings today, was like reading about what the filings would have been, it feels like, is to timothy mcvay they have been caught in advance. timothy >> i think that's exacte feeling that you get here. this is a big arsenal that these two had amassed. they've got five pipe bombs. they've got fully automatic weapons. they've got 45 to 50 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition. if this is how you entertain yourself, well, that means that you are a criminal. and to your point, tim mcvay, who is the touchstone for so many of these people, they all use the anarchist cookbook as a way to figure out how to make their devices and how to target their locations. and they all of that to timothy mcvay, with this singular focus on using violence to overthrow the government and using their own acts of violence deradicalize o

so lawrence i'm gonna get out of the way because i'm eager to hear about joyce beatty and her experience today. >> rachel, it is stunning to see how many minutes, and we're talking single digit minutes, it took for her to get arrested when you compare that with january six. it has taken months to arrest some of those people. in fact, most of those people who are at the capitol on january six have not been arrested. so this juxtaposition today, and your coverage of it, was brilliant earlier in the hour coming into this. it's just -- i understand it, theoretically, what's that arrest was about today. but stacking it against january six is just stunning. >> and in its own terms, it's stunning even as a stand-alone thing. she and those other leaders today those african american leaders standing there in the a trans singing, and preparing to be arrested, putting themselves at risk, getting handcuffed and taken away, we but calling the moral question with such glaring dignity. it's a moving thing. and effective thing. it's the kind of moral sledgehammer that's going to be needed to knock down

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good evening, joyce. this is what we saw. we saw someone who had such disdain for the rule of law, contempt for democracy. we're not going to impeach him again, of course, but we should bring the witnesses in, and understand what vulnerabilities in government, and put in place laws, so in future leader, democrat or republican, can test us in this way again. >> congressman swalwell, i'm sure you have seen it now. it's an instant classic. here is jim jordan today. >> did you speak with president trump january 6th? >> yeah, i speak with him all the time. >> on january 6th, did you speak with him before, during or after the capitol was attacked? >> i have to go -- i spoke with him that day. after. i think after. i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. i just don't know. i don't know that -- when those conversations happened. >> translation, hamina, hamina, hamina. congressman swalwell, you're reaction to that? >> i remember every second of that day, sadly, and there isn't a day that has gone by where i haven't tho

of president donald trump and is the author of endgame, inside the impeachment of donald trump, and joyce vance former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama and a professor at the university of alabama school of law, she is an msnbc legal contributor and thank you both for being with me. congressman swalwell, i need to start with you, it's hard to believe that the second impeachment of which you were an impeachment manager was just, it was still this year, just a few months ago, is there anything, do the notes, nine pages of notes that we've seen, do they fit with what you possibly saw as an impeachment manager a few months ago? >> part of me which is that we could to impeach him again and make sure that he could never run for office, because he's seeking to do that and he has all of the elements in place to try and overturn an election again if he tries to run for office, so good evening, jonathan, good evening, joyce. this is what we saw, we saw someone who had such a disdain for the rule of law, such contempt for democracy that he was willing to destroy it if it's served h