jeh johnson? we'll try to re-establish that and also bring jeh johnson back in the next segment. as we talk about mixed messaging, concerns about the new cdc guidelines on masking that could hurt vaccination efforts where they're needed most. this is andrea mitchell reports on msnbc. ♪♪ t-minus two minutes and counting. ♪♪ um, she's eating the rocket. -copy that, she's eating the rocket. i assume we needed that? [chomping sound] ♪♪ lunchables! built to be eaten. she has eaten the rocket. [girl burps] over. >>> thanks. we've re-established our connection to former homeland secretary jeh johnson. i was asking about the fact that one in five of the people charged with participation in the insurrection had ties to the military, and i'm -- you were top pentagon official. how concerning is that? >> i would say i'm very concerned. in my experience in the department of defense and in the department of homeland security, the overwhelming majority of the military, of the coast guard, of dhs officials are patriotic, conscientious, diligent individuals. we have to accept the real

jeh johnson has bipartisan support. if we don't get a new eyes on this problem, the worst is yet to come. you have a democratic coming on the president of the united states to put somebody new in charge. henry is right. i am supporting that effort. stay one usn jeh johnson has bipartisan support. why is he the right person for the job? what did he do under the obama years that would prove that he is going to tackle this crisis? >> he has always supported border security and the bill that i negotiated with my republican democratic colleagues with $40 billion in the gang of eight bill for border security. when we had unaccompanied minors coming from brazil and when we had families coming from brazil claiming asylum, he chartered a plane, put them all on a plane, and put them all to brazil. he said stop this. he was on the plane is sending people back to let the people in these countries know that you can't come to the united states this way. if he were in charge, i think you might be focusing on his get sent back. he woul

we concluded almost instantaneously, jeh johnson jeh johnson. >> served as obama's second term homeland security secretary. activists accused him of aggressive immigration enforcement. in the way a texas, rich edson, fox news. >> shannon: the biden administration wants a block texas law enforcement officials from stopping the transport of illegal immigrants even if they are covid positive, as case number serge. let's talk about the state of the border crisis and the state of covid. sheriff, great to have you with us. >> shannon: texas governor greg abbott has said he does not want people transporting people in the u.s. illegally outside of government entities. especially if they have the virus, they shouldn't be taken around the state. here's what he said with ag merrick garland told him no to that executive order. governor abbott says the authority you served to protect noncitizens direct with my authority to protect citizens of texas. the constitution and laws of the u.s. and texas allow me to protect the health and safety of texans. does that executive order do anything doubt about a

and that's jeh johnson. rachel: democratic congress cuellar and graham pleading with the biden administration to take real action at the border and tap jeh johnson as the new border czar. this as vice president harris announces a trip to asia despite the crisis at the border intensifying. here to react is acting dhs secretary ken cuccinelli. ken, you really got feel for henry cuellar, the representative there in texas. i mean, he sounds so desperate. he is so upset that. >> he is desperate. rachel: what's happening to his constituents for the people there in texas graham saying the answer might be jeh johnson. what do you think? >> well, look, jeh johnson has broad bipartisan respect for his performance as secretary of homeland security. he was the person who gave us the benchmark of 1,000 a day as a crisis coming over the border and they're at six times that at the border. they are completely overwhelmed. and, look, i give these two gentlemen all the credit in the world on the republican side, senator graha

look, look at the playbook that scretary jeh johnson did under obama and he deported people, and looking at the way he did it, and if you go back to google the way he did it, and i know because i was there, and showing the people that deported and have you seen one single photo of people deported? no, you see people coming in, and it is a message don't come, but you have to see the people deported. with due respect to the people who don't want to offend the left of immigration people being deported, but a lot of people are being deported. >> but you believe that the white house is making it intentionally that people are not seeing it, and in turn, it doesn't have the necessary impact on the whole don't come strategy. >> absolutely. i mean, i -- when i talk to the white house, i told them about that, it is not the first time, they said, well, we will take it under consideration. so yes, they are purposely, purposely not showing any people being deported. secretary johnson and i remember when i talked to him, and he did show people being deported, because you have to show the visual, the v

johnson and that says the reason we are picking him, we thought about putting a republican in charge, and that's implementing public health protocols we will see if they actually go through with that. >> does the step on the administration's messaging about please, i'm appealing to you. let's protect people and everybody has to do their part. you hear these cases and it seems to, someone might take him seriously with that going on. >> richard: i think there is a problem with figuring out how to cope with positive people are crossing the border. so hiring someone to do the job is not a bad idea. his skilled but he's been in homeland security and understands the job. that being said i think we have to have a larger conversation about how we fix the problems of the border. i do stories on the border, i don't know about jesse. but i wrote a story about the border for forbes and what we found was folks seeking asylum would qualify as cuban migrants. the problem is we have an archaic and old system. according to the bar system, he said it you have to understand, we are literally working on

they have to look at the playbook that secretary jeh johnson and others had. president obama, you have to follow the law. i disagree with this prosecutorial that is really over 55,000 it does not really work in the immigration system. a democrat of texas, represents the border area, thank you, sir. host: we will take a short break. we will return to your questions . will you put the mask back on? the cdc says even if you are vaccinated should wear one indoors. we will be right back. ♪ >> david stewart use to practice law in washington, d.c. he gave that up over 15 years ago to write history. his first book was all about the constitutional convention in philadelphia called the summer of 1787. that was in 2008. a year later he wrote about the trial of andrew johnson. next, james madison. now in 2021 he takes a look at george washington and in david stewart's words, his mastery of politics. >> on this episode of book notes plus, -- weekends on c-span two, every saturday you will find events with people in our nation's past. on sunday, book tv brings you the lat