all the focus now is on georgia, and we will go from there. my main goal for doing this it's to just continue to get people state by state to help us, to put pressure on the republicans, and our colleagues, to get this done. this is a concerted effort that people like reverend warnock, and he is someone who, in his own words, he decided to put his speech on the florida voting rights. as he summed it up better than i have in the whole interview, some people don't want some people to vote. that's what this is about. >> senator amy klobuchar, chair of the senate rules committee. thank you for joining us. we always appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> and coming up, mad bombers for trump. two men were accused in federal court today of plotting to bomb democratic headquarters in the hope of starting a war, for donald trump. that is next. rump that is next (realtor) the previous owners left in a hurry, so the house comes with everything you see. follow me. ♪ (realtor) so, any questions? (wife) we'll take it! (realtor) great. (vo) it will haun

in georgia it was recounted three times. it's clear. for those who challenge the results and question the integrity of the election, no other election has ever been held under such scrutiny and such high standards. the big lie is just that, a big lie. [ applause ] >> the president repeatedly focused on what he called election subversion. the most dangerous threat to the integrity of our elections in our history. >> it's no longer just about who gets to vote or making it easier for eligible voters to vote. it's about who gets to count the vote. who gets to count whether or not your vote counted at all. it's about moving from independent election administrators who work for the people to polarized state legislatures and partisan actors who work for political parties. to me this is simple. this is election subversion. it's the most dangerous threat to voting in the integrity of free and fair elections in our history. >> leading off our discussion tonight are texas state representatives alex domingez and julie johnson, both attended the mee

when you have a conservative effort across the country, but in georgia and in other places, it doesn't stay have passed voter suppression's laws to limit people's freedom to vote. and you know the answer should be in washington, where the constitution clearly says that a new congress has the right to make or alter our federal elections. if i don't know it causes greater than doing that right now, this is the moment to get it done. >> i want to read something that politico is reporting from congressman jim clyburn. it says the biden could pick up the phone and tell joe manchin, hey, we should do a carve out. he referred to the west virginia democrat who's resisted filibuster were torn. just do it. so there is jim clyburn saying to joe biden, just do it. you have to get this rule in the senate. vents at least for voting rights legislation. >> well, you know. i would abolish the filibuster and i've come to that decision after seeing obstruction, and so many other important pieces of legislation. thanks people as you get done to help their families for childcare. to do something about clim

, for the phone call that he made to the georgia secretary of state. a phone call that we've, all, heard the tape of. we know what the grand jury is considering. you have reporting that he made more phone calls than that, including going around the attorney general. and making phone calls, directly, to u.s. attorneys around the country. is there any possibility we might ever be hearing tapes of those? >> i -- i -- there's always possibility. i mean, i think that anyone who speaks to donald trump should be, certainly, switching on their -- their phone. their iphone to tape what's going on here. i think, everybody knows -- knows that lesson. but the -- the other thing and -- and why this becomes -- this will be a somewhat of a -- of a difficult thing to prosecute is that -- is that donald trump is always on the phone. donald trump is always talking. donald trump is only half aware of what he's saying. it just -- it just spews out. it -- there -- there is no rhyme, nor reason, to it. he talks -- i mean, the georgia phone call lasted -- i can't quite remem

hear from georgia voters about 'l hear from georgia voters about who's got the bird legs now? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google, turn up the heat. ♪ ♪ ♪ your skin isn't just skin, it's a beautiful reflection of everything you've been through. that's why dove renews your skin's ceramides and strengthens it against dryness for softer, smoother skin you can lovingly embrace. renew the love for your skin with dove body wash. if you have this... consider adding this. an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor. any specialist. anywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. so if you have this... consider adding this. call unitedhealthcare today for your free decision guide. ♪ >>> "ellen" butler was removed from her position last month as a county election official in morgan county, georgia, after republican governor brian kemp signed into law voter restrictions that, among oth

we already know what donald trump did to steal the electoral votes in the state of georgia. now we have a new report of donald trump trying to steal electoral votes of the state of arizona and donald trump had succeeded in his criminal attempt as he put it to find votes in those states. he still would've lost to joe biden by at least 6 million votes. he could've storm the presidential election. thanks to the electoral college if you could pick up a few more states. georgia's fulton county district attorney is using a criminal grand jury to conduct what is the single most important criminal investigation of donald trump in history because of its focus on the most consequential crime donald trump has ever tried to commit, stealing the 2020 presidential election. a similar criminal investigation might be underway tonight in arizona. if only lifelong republican had decided to answer his phone. the arizona republican reports then president donald trump try to speak directly with the chair of the maricopa county board of supervisors in the weeks after the november 2020 election as

. >> and joyce, is the information relevant to what is happening in georgia, the fulton county criminal probe into a phone call in which trump tried to pressure the georgia secretary of state, find me 10,780 votes? >> so jonathan, the interplay between the two events is pretty interesting. let me talk about one way it might be significant. prosecutors have a hard time so prove intent. was there a plan to overturn the results of a legitimate election? and something that makes it more likely it was intentional rather than an accident, if there is evidence of a repeated course of conduct, and it's actually admissible evidence, say georgia were to indict, prosecutors would offer evidence of other similar related courses of conduct, like the pressure that jump bore on the justice department, but an intentional effort to subvert the election in georgia. >> congressman swalwell, considering you have been an impeachment manager, and devised questions to ask witnesses, what kinds of questions should investigators be asking now? >> at this point, tries to understand what trump and those around hi

it's great that georgia is investigating him for potential violation of georgia state election laws. but he's a federal problem. he's committed federal crimes against the united states. and we need a federal solution. that looks like an indictment from the department of justice. >> i mean, 600,000 people are dead because of this guy, let's just be clear about that. david kay johnston, glenn kirchner, thank you so much for your time tonight. >>> coming up, joe biden's big populist punch at corporate power, that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ summer is a state of mind, you can visit anytime. savor your summer with lincoln. what makes new salonpas arthritis gel so good for arthritis pain? summer is a state of mind, you can visit anytime. salonpas contains the most prescribed topical pain relief ingredient. it's clinically proven, reduces inflammation and comes in original prescription strength. salonpas. it's good medicine. i don't just play someone brainy on tv - i'm an actual neuroscientist. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuri

it's great that georgia is investigating him for a potential violation of georgia state election laws, but he's a federal problem. he is committed federal crimes against the united states and we need a federal solution. that looks like an indictment from the department of justice. >> i mean, 600,000 people are dead because of this guy. let's be clear about that. thank you both for your time tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up, joe biden's big populist punch at corporate power. that's next. that's next. ywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. call today for your free decision guide. ♪ what can i du with less asthma? call today for your free decision guide. with dupixent i can du more... yardwork... teamwork... long walks.... that's how you du more, with dupixent, which helps prevent asthma attacks. dupixent is not for sudden breathing problems. it's an add-on-treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma that can improve lung function for better breathing in as little as two weeks. and can reduce, or even eliminate, oral steroids. and here's som

and, zerlina, we see a report in the "atlanta journal constitution" that georgia is already acting on that new law, and they are basically trying to pull the vote-counting process away from fulton county in a major democratic county. so the republican strategy seems to be, we don't care how many of you show up. we're going to try to suppress that. but if you do conquer us there and you show up, we're going to be counting. and when we do the counting, you're not going to like what happens. >> yeah. it's rigging the game on the front end and the back end. it's making sure that no matter what happens and no matter what wave of people show up to say, we don't want these people in office, it won't matter because you have your folks in place. it's like playing the referees. i hate the sports analogies, about you it works here, i think, in helping folks understand what's happening here. and i think, you know, i think republicans actually have overplayed their hand, and i think that the momentum is on the democratic side if the biden white house is willing to take this courageous step and be

. >> and choice, is this information relevant to what's happening down in georgia in the investigation that the fulton county criminal probe into that phone call in which trump tried to put russian georgia secretary raffensperger to, i think it was fine me 1000 thousand votes? >> so jonathan the interplay between those two events is pretty interesting, and let me talk about one way that it might be significant. prosecutors worry a lot about moving a detentions intent, what's he just saying stop for was that actually a cohesive plan to overturn the results of an election. something that makes it more likely that it was intentional rather than an accident or a stumbling was that if there's evidence of repeated conduct, it's actually admissible evidence that you could put in an insane giorgio word to indict, they could likely offer evidence of other similar related courses of conduct like this pressure that trump wanted to bear on the justice department to show that it wasn't a mistake, it wasn't unintentional but there was an intentional effort to subvert the election in georgia. >> cong

who controls the counting room, if republicans have had that kind of power, political power in georgia and in other places, arizona, pennsylvania, these key battleground states we ulha had all trumpy successful and stealing the election. a lot of these laws have provision that would make that kind of change. i think it's under the category of, they call it election subversion, that's the new category of negotiation that these voting rights from the senate is all about. i think it's ball game, i think republicans understand that if they control the counting rooms and the counting process that is the way in which they can systematically undermined democracy in the most profound way. we saw it on display on the threat of 2020. and any bill the democrats take up in the senate or in the house or in congress or in these coming months if it doesn't address this issue it misses the point. >> before it was written, it was run before the election, long before we saw these new republican legislative proposals and zerlina, we see that george is already acting on that new law and they're basically

they want to make black americans in georgia stand in long voting lines, without any access to water, because that kind of cruelty is the point. that is why donald trump thinks. some people do or deserve that for daring to vote, and daring to vote against him. when you find republicans who are troubled by donald trump's cruelty, but still voted for him, they talk about the things they agree with trump on like, tax cuts, or supreme court justices isn't bad. they invariably say something like, trump did a lot of good things. exactly what donald trump said about adolf hitler. leading off our discussion tonight, is adam serwer author of the cruelty is the point. also with us jelani cobb professor of university have journalism at columbia and an analyst. so jelani cobb i want to begin with you, the people have been following donald trump four years, and following his cruelty, they will, on both sides of this, not be surprised to hear him quoted as saying that he admires hitler for a lot of good things, he says. >> yeah, it is an extraordinary statement. on the other hand, we did not a priv

popular policy, whether you're in montana, or whether you're in washington state, or whether you're in georgia. so i think that is really the need -- the need is so great. and he's absolutely right when he says we can absolutely, and we need to, spend this money so we can give americans a way to feel different about their lives when they wake up every morning. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal thank you very much for starting us off tonight. we need your perspective on this. >> thank you. lawrence >> thank you. and joining our discussion he is executive editor of the recap where he hosts the hell and high-water podcast. and mrs. maxwell who hosts the program -- zerlina, i've got a scorecard here and we have a bipartisan agreement in the senate. one piece of this infrastructure bill. we have the left side of the democratic party in full support of what bernie sanders have managed to accomplish on the budget committee on the 3.5 trillion dollar democrats only package. you've heard from john tester, senator warner is on that budget committee. he basically represents the mentions side of the democr

or what donald trump is doing calling secretaries of state and asking them to change vote counts in georgia. there is nothing tibia shamed about. one of the things i know you want to bring to this when you bring light to it is republican officeholders and states around the country would then be somehow shamed into doing something, i guess less bad than what they were going to do. they don't have that capacity anymore, do? they tibia shamed about what they are doing? >> they're not going to be ashamed. if we expose but they do, we could galvanize the people of this country to throw them in a box. by exposing what they do, by making people aware of how they're trying to pervert our democracy, how they are attacking our democracy. that will mobilize the people of this country to participate in elections. not only at the federal level, but at the state level as well. there are more people who are in favor of a fair system, more people in favor of having a robust democracy than supporting the minority views of the republican party. it's going to take people to make this happen. that's what redis

and later will speak with four secretaries of state and democrat ic legislatures from arizona, and georgia where already passed voting restrictions, kicking off the event, legendary civil rights icon who co founded farm workers of america. here's some of what she said yesterday to the texas democrats. >> it's happening right now, in many ways it's even more severe, it's broader, it's bigger than what was going on in the 60s. the soldiers were fighting for everybody, not just for texas, but fighting for arizona, fighting for all of those states where they are passing these laws to suppress the vote. standing up to the ideals and dreams of what america is and what america should be. >> joining us now dolores huerta civil rights activist and labor leader and co-founder with cesar chavez in 1962, dolores, not meaning to say anything about your age on tv, it's impolite, you started the agriculture a association since 1960 and been working on this since 1955 you were there at the frontlines of the civil rights fights in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 90s. it's never stopped for you. >> no, it hasn't. way

. >> and republican legislatures including georgia's for example, and texas, have been trying to formalize into their state laws what donald trump was trying to do over the phone with the attorney general by basically being able to change the outcome after the vote count, that's what they're trying to put into some of these laws. your hearing today was address something of that. >> yeah, so we have a bill that would preclude some of what the states are doing to replace the local election officials who are just counting the ballots. i mean, this has not been something that has been high profile. this has been a boring activity for centuries where you just count the ballots, now partisans are seeking apparently to take over this function and to skew the results. we can't let that happen and this bill would prevent it. we had a hearing today that was very helpful but chilling as well. because although the registrars and election officials didn't engage in hand-to-hand combat, like our brave officers testified about yesterday, they are facing off with armed militants who are seeking to subvert

popular policy, whether you're in montana or whether you're in washington state or whether you're in georgia. so i think that is really -- the need is so great, and he is absolutely right when he says, we can absolutely and we need to spend this money so we can give americans a way to feel different about their lives when they wake up every morning. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you very much for starting us off tonight. we really needed your perspective on this. really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. >>> and joining our suggestion now, john heilemann, executive editor of the recount, where he hosts the hell and high water podcast. also with us, zerlina maxwell, host of the program "zerlina" that airs on peacock. i've got my little scorecard here and we've got a bipartisan agreement in the senate on one piece of this infrastructure bill. we now have the left side of the democratic party in full support of what bernie sanders has managed to accomplish in the senate budget committee on the $3.5 trillion democrats only package. you've heard from jon tester. senato