all the focus now is on georgia, and we will go from there. my main goal for doing this it's to just continue to get people state by state to help us, to put pressure on the republicans, and our colleagues, to get this done. this is a concerted effort that people like reverend warnock, and he is someone who, in his own words, he decided to put his speech on the florida voting rights. as he summed it up better than i have in the whole interview, some people don't want some people to vote. that's what this is about. >> senator amy klobuchar, chair of the senate rules committee. thank you for joining us. we always appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> and coming up, mad bombers for trump. two men were accused in federal court today of plotting to bomb democratic headquarters in the hope of starting a war, for donald trump. that is next. rump that is next (realtor) the previous owners left in a hurry, so the house comes with everything you see. follow me. ♪ (realtor) so, any questions? (wife) we'll take it! (realtor) great. (vo) it will haun

audits, recounts that were conducted in arizona, wisconsin, georgia it was recounted three times. it is clear, for those who challenge the results and questioned the integrity of the election, no other election has ever been held under such scrutiny, such high standards. the big lie is just that, a big lie. [applause] >> >> the president repeatedly focus on what he called elections subversion. the most dangerous threat to the integrity of our elections in our history. >> it's not about who gets to vote, or making it easier for voters to vote. it's about who gets to count the vote. who gets to count whether or not your vote counted at all. it is about moving from independent election administrators, who work for the people, to polarize state legislatures and partisan actors who work for political parties. to me, this is simple. this is election subversion. it is the most dangerous threat to voting in the integrity of free and fair elections in our history. >> leading off our discussion tonight are texas state legislature alex dominguez and julie johnson, both attended the meeting w

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we already know what donald trump did to steal the electoral votes in the state of georgia. now we have a new report of donald trump trying to steal electoral votes of the state of arizona and donald trump had succeeded in his criminal attempt as he put it to find votes in those states. he still would've lost to joe biden by at least 6 million votes. he could've storm the presidential election. thanks to the electoral college if you could pick up a few more states. georgia's fulton county district attorney is using a criminal grand jury to conduct what is the single most important criminal investigation of donald trump in history because of its focus on the most consequential crime donald trump has ever tried to commit, stealing the 2020 presidential election. a similar criminal investigation might be underway tonight in arizona. if only lifelong republican had decided to answer his phone. the arizona republican reports then president donald trump try to speak directly with the chair of the maricopa county board of supervisors in the weeks after the november 2020 election as

when you have a conservative effort across the country, but in georgia and in other places, it doesn't stay have passed voter suppression's laws to limit people's freedom to vote. and you know the answer should be in washington, where the constitution clearly says that a new congress has the right to make or alter our federal elections. if i don't know it causes greater than doing that right now, this is the moment to get it done. >> i want to read something that politico is reporting from congressman jim clyburn. it says the biden could pick up the phone and tell joe manchin, hey, we should do a carve out. he referred to the west virginia democrat who's resisted filibuster were torn. just do it. so there is jim clyburn saying to joe biden, just do it. you have to get this rule in the senate. vents at least for voting rights legislation. >> well, you know. i would abolish the filibuster and i've come to that decision after seeing obstruction, and so many other important pieces of legislation. thanks people as you get done to help their families for childcare. to do something about clim

. >> and joyce, is the information relevant to what is happening in georgia, the fulton county criminal probe into a phone call in which trump tried to pressure the georgia secretary of state, find me 10,780 votes? >> so jonathan, the interplay between the two events is pretty interesting. let me talk about one way it might be significant. prosecutors have a hard time so prove intent. was there a plan to overturn the results of a legitimate election? and something that makes it more likely it was intentional rather than an accident, if there is evidence of a repeated course of conduct, and it's actually admissible evidence, say georgia were to indict, prosecutors would offer evidence of other similar related courses of conduct, like the pressure that jump bore on the justice department, but an intentional effort to subvert the election in georgia. >> congressman swalwell, considering you have been an impeachment manager, and devised questions to ask witnesses, what kinds of questions should investigators be asking now? >> at this point, tries to understand what trump and those around hi

, for the phone call that he made to the georgia secretary of state. a phone call that we've, all, heard the tape of. we know what the grand jury is considering. you have reporting that he made more phone calls than that, including going around the attorney general. and making phone calls, directly, to u.s. attorneys around the country. is there any possibility we might ever be hearing tapes of those? >> i -- i -- there's always possibility. i mean, i think that anyone who speaks to donald trump should be, certainly, switching on their -- their phone. their iphone to tape what's going on here. i think, everybody knows -- knows that lesson. but the -- the other thing and -- and why this becomes -- this will be a somewhat of a -- of a difficult thing to prosecute is that -- is that donald trump is always on the phone. donald trump is always talking. donald trump is only half aware of what he's saying. it just -- it just spews out. it -- there -- there is no rhyme, nor reason, to it. he talks -- i mean, the georgia phone call lasted -- i can't quite remem

that similar partisan reviews are now taking place or being proposed in wisconsin, in michigan, in georgia, and in pennsylvania. quote, the proposed election reviews failed to satisfy basic security, accuracy, and reliability measures and the auditors themselves fail to meet

. >> and choice, is this information relevant to what's happening down in georgia in the investigation that the fulton county criminal probe into that phone call in which trump tried to put russian georgia secretary raffensperger to, i think it was fine me 1000 thousand votes? >> so jonathan the interplay between those two events is pretty interesting, and let me talk about one way that it might be significant. prosecutors worry a lot about moving a detentions intent, what's he just saying stop for was that actually a cohesive plan to overturn the results of an election. something that makes it more likely that it was intentional rather than an accident or a stumbling was that if there's evidence of repeated conduct, it's actually admissible evidence that you could put in an insane giorgio word to indict, they could likely offer evidence of other similar related courses of conduct like this pressure that trump wanted to bear on the justice department to show that it wasn't a mistake, it wasn't unintentional but there was an intentional effort to subvert the election in georgia. >> cong

it's great that georgia is investigating him for a potential violation of georgia state election laws, but he's a federal problem. he is committed federal crimes against the united states and we need a federal solution. that looks like an indictment from the department of justice. >> i mean, 600,000 people are dead because of this guy. let's be clear about that. thank you both for your time tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up, joe biden's big populist punch at corporate power. that's next. that's next. ywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. call today for your free decision guide. ♪ what can i du with less asthma? call today for your free decision guide. with dupixent i can du more... yardwork... teamwork... long walks.... that's how you du more, with dupixent, which helps prevent asthma attacks. dupixent is not for sudden breathing problems. it's an add-on-treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma that can improve lung function for better breathing in as little as two weeks. and can reduce, or even eliminate, oral steroids. and here's som

and how that has been changed in georgia. that is being -- they are attempting to change that in texas. that seems to -- seem -- seems, to him, to be one of the scariest elements of this. the way republican legislatures are trying to reach in and put new controls on how they count votes. >> that's exactly right. this is the little, dirty secret in these -- in these voter-suppression laws that we see popping up across the state by these republicans. you know, they want everybody to be outraged about the fact that, you know, they're putting -- they're criminalizing giving somebody a bottle of water. but the real, real rub is that they are trying to make a determination that it's going to be republican legislatures making a determination, on which votes are counted and which are not. lawrence, that -- there is nothing about that is american. that is something that you find in -- in putin's russia. and so, this autocratic mess that we see in the republican party. i don't even recognize this other party. they love to talk about in

and, zerlina, we see a report in the "atlanta journal constitution" that georgia is already acting on that new law, and they are basically trying to pull the vote-counting process away from fulton county in a major democratic county. so the republican strategy seems to be, we don't care how many of you show up. we're going to try to suppress that. but if you do conquer us there and you show up, we're going to be counting. and when we do the counting, you're not going to like what happens. >> yeah. it's rigging the game on the front end and the back end. it's making sure that no matter what happens and no matter what wave of people show up to say, we don't want these people in office, it won't matter because you have your folks in place. it's like playing the referees. i hate the sports analogies, about you it works here, i think, in helping folks understand what's happening here. and i think, you know, i think republicans actually have overplayed their hand, and i think that the momentum is on the democratic side if the biden white house is willing to take this courageous step and be

it's great that georgia is investigating him for potential violation of georgia state election laws. but he's a federal problem. he's committed federal crimes against the united states. and we need a federal solution. that looks like an indictment from the department of justice. >> i mean, 600,000 people are dead because of this guy, let's just be clear about that. david kay johnston, glenn kirchner, thank you so much for your time tonight. >>> coming up, joe biden's big populist punch at corporate power, that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ summer is a state of mind, you can visit anytime. savor your summer with lincoln. what makes new salonpas arthritis gel so good for arthritis pain? summer is a state of mind, you can visit anytime. salonpas contains the most prescribed topical pain relief ingredient. it's clinically proven, reduces inflammation and comes in original prescription strength. salonpas. it's good medicine. i don't just play someone brainy on tv - i'm an actual neuroscientist. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuri

committees investigation, the manhattan's investigation and the grandeur investigation unfold in county georgia, studying evidence of donald trump's possible violations of infected -- election laws there by trying to interfere with the counting. joining us now is john heilemann, nbc news and nbc news fair analysts, -- john, donald trump is famously an insomniac, tonight seems like one of the nights where sleep is going to be very hard for him to come by. >> yeah, he'll be up watching don lemon, over and over again. you know i was going to say is you are going through this investigation, you and i have both been investigated a fair amount and i'm not sure whether you spend time behind bars but i have, i don't think i've never been three investigations simultaneously. i think trump has faced some bad situations and obviously the biggest problems that he no longer has a shield of the presidency and you can see him just in the way that he's dealing with the difficulty season right now, you can see how desperately he's tried to think about how he can get back into that white house so he can have the

who controls the counting room, if republicans have had that kind of power, political power in georgia and in other places, arizona, pennsylvania, these key battleground states we ulha had all trumpy successful and stealing the election. a lot of these laws have provision that would make that kind of change. i think it's under the category of, they call it election subversion, that's the new category of negotiation that these voting rights from the senate is all about. i think it's ball game, i think republicans understand that if they control the counting rooms and the counting process that is the way in which they can systematically undermined democracy in the most profound way. we saw it on display on the threat of 2020. and any bill the democrats take up in the senate or in the house or in congress or in these coming months if it doesn't address this issue it misses the point. >> before it was written, it was run before the election, long before we saw these new republican legislative proposals and zerlina, we see that george is already acting on that new law and they're basically

there's also an ongoing criminal investigation of which he is the center, in georgia. i mean, this, tomorrow is a sort of day one of a whole new saga in his life. that i think is going to make him a very unpredictable figure. and i think is going to be something that we all the need to open the open minded about in terms of how it's gonna change the news on a day-to-day basis. >> defended trump really officially begins tomorrow. it'll be the company trump that becomes a criminal defendant. but that's what you get when you name the company after yourself. so, the question becomes, and the other uses of the word trump in future indictments. that will be the big question tomorrow. not >> exactly. thanks, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. hank you, rachel -- based on the kind of businessman donald trump appeared to be, always appear to be, described by marco rubio when he was running against donald trump as a con man. based on that con man a character that he so clearly seem to be, i believe that donald trump's businesses and financial affairs could not survive the kind of s

. >> and republican legislatures including georgia's for example, and texas, have been trying to formalize into their state laws what donald trump was trying to do over the phone with the attorney general by basically being able to change the outcome after the vote count, that's what they're trying to put into some of these laws. your hearing today was address something of that. >> yeah, so we have a bill that would preclude some of what the states are doing to replace the local election officials who are just counting the ballots. i mean, this has not been something that has been high profile. this has been a boring activity for centuries where you just count the ballots, now partisans are seeking apparently to take over this function and to skew the results. we can't let that happen and this bill would prevent it. we had a hearing today that was very helpful but chilling as well. because although the registrars and election officials didn't engage in hand-to-hand combat, like our brave officers testified about yesterday, they are facing off with armed militants who are seeking to subvert

there is also an i don't know going criminal investigation of which he is the center in georgia. i mean, like tomorrow is day one of a whole new saga in his life that i think is going to make him an unpredictable figure and i think is going to -- i think it's going to be something we all need to be very open minded about in terms of how it will change the news on a day-to-day basis. >> defendant trump officially begins tomorrow. it will be the company trump that becomes a criminal defendant, but, you know, that's what you get when you name the company after yourself. so the question becomes any other uses of the word trump in future indictments, that will be the big question tomorrow night. >> exactly, exactly. thanks, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. >>> well, this is actually why i never thought he would run for president. what will happen at 2:00 p.m. tomorrow in manhattan is exactly why i thought he would never, ever run for president. based on the kind of businessman donald trump appeared to be, always appeared to be, described by marco rubio when he was running against donal

they want to make black americans in georgia stand in long voting lines, without any access to water, because that kind of cruelty is the point. that is why donald trump thinks. some people do or deserve that for daring to vote, and daring to vote against him. when you find republicans who are troubled by donald trump's cruelty, but still voted for him, they talk about the things they agree with trump on like, tax cuts, or supreme court justices isn't bad. they invariably say something like, trump did a lot of good things. exactly what donald trump said about adolf hitler. leading off our discussion tonight, is adam serwer author of the cruelty is the point. also with us jelani cobb professor of university have journalism at columbia and an analyst. so jelani cobb i want to begin with you, the people have been following donald trump four years, and following his cruelty, they will, on both sides of this, not be surprised to hear him quoted as saying that he admires hitler for a lot of good things, he says. >> yeah, it is an extraordinary statement. on the other hand, we did not a priv

and later will speak with four secretaries of state and democrat ic legislatures from arizona, and georgia where already passed voting restrictions, kicking off the event, legendary civil rights icon who co founded farm workers of america. here's some of what she said yesterday to the texas democrats. >> it's happening right now, in many ways it's even more severe, it's broader, it's bigger than what was going on in the 60s. the soldiers were fighting for everybody, not just for texas, but fighting for arizona, fighting for all of those states where they are passing these laws to suppress the vote. standing up to the ideals and dreams of what america is and what america should be. >> joining us now dolores huerta civil rights activist and labor leader and co-founder with cesar chavez in 1962, dolores, not meaning to say anything about your age on tv, it's impolite, you started the agriculture a association since 1960 and been working on this since 1955 you were there at the frontlines of the civil rights fights in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 90s. it's never stopped for you. >> no, it hasn't. way

think they have to include, not just the voting rights act, but the bill that was the senator from georgia has put in that will obviate some of these terrible efforts to enable republican legislatures to overturn election results because they don't like them. put that package together, and i think biden can play a very constructive role. and then i think we are really in line to get something extraordinarily important done. >> jonathan, that is what i have been following in this voting rights issue in the senate. it is that it is a complex, longer term game that obviously -- and it's always difficult for people to watch that and wait for the sequential elements of the game to play out. and people have to understand that hr1, for the reasons i have described, is obsolete right now. it was right and years ago, before the 2020 election. there are two big problems. voter suppression, which everyone knows about, it is been around for a long time, and voter subversion. that is a new problem, voter subversion. it is people trying to i -- banana republicans, basically, trying to overturn election

donald trump is doing, calling, you know, secretaries of state and asking them to change vote counts in georgia. there's nothing to be ashamed about. and so, i mean, one of the things that i know you want to bring to this, when you bring light to it, is that, you know, republican officeholders in states around the country would, then, be, somehow, shamed into doing something, i guess, less bad than what they were going to do. but they don't have that capacity, anymore, do they? to be shamed about what they're doing? >> no, they're not going to be shamed. but if we expose what they do, we can galvanize the people of this country to throw 'em out of office. by exposing what they do. by making people aware of how they are trying to pervert our democracy. how they are attacking our democracy. that will mobilize the people of -- of this country to participate in elections. not only at the federal level but at the state level, as well. there are more people who are in favor of a fair system. more people in favor of having a robust democracy, than supporting the minority views of the republican party.

. >> so looking at nine states, arkansas, oklahoma, georgia texas, utah, vermont, among others, all have passed legislation prohibiting school districts from enacting mask mandates. on the other hand, six states, connecticut, hawaii, new mexico, new york, virginia, and washington will require masks for k to students. who decides this, or does just everybody decide this on their own? >> what i'm noticing, that's a little different from last, year this has become a little too politicized. last year we found success when we allowed our school leaders and our health expects to make decisions, communicate with parents, build confidence, and safely reopen our schools. i think the more becomes political, the more challenging it's going to be for educational leaders who have worked extremely hard to safely reopen schools. and for our educators want to see their students in the classrooms. so let the decisions be on the shoulders of the educators and the health officials, they did it last, year and they're prepared to do with this. year >> let's talk about ventilation, you have got some money for

popular policy, whether you're in montana, or whether you're in washington state, or whether you're in georgia. so i think that is really the need -- the need is so great. and he's absolutely right when he says we can absolutely, and we need to, spend this money so we can give americans a way to feel different about their lives when they wake up every morning. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal thank you very much for starting us off tonight. we need your perspective on this. >> thank you. lawrence >> thank you. and joining our discussion he is executive editor of the recap where he hosts the hell and high-water podcast. and mrs. maxwell who hosts the program -- zerlina, i've got a scorecard here and we have a bipartisan agreement in the senate. one piece of this infrastructure bill. we have the left side of the democratic party in full support of what bernie sanders have managed to accomplish on the budget committee on the 3.5 trillion dollar democrats only package. you've heard from john tester, senator warner is on that budget committee. he basically represents the mentions side of the democr

popular policy, whether you're in montana or whether you're in washington state or whether you're in georgia. so i think that is really -- the need is so great, and he is absolutely right when he says, we can absolutely and we need to spend this money so we can give americans a way to feel different about their lives when they wake up every morning. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you very much for starting us off tonight. we really needed your perspective on this. really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you. >>> and joining our suggestion now, john heilemann, executive editor of the recount, where he hosts the hell and high water podcast. also with us, zerlina maxwell, host of the program "zerlina" that airs on peacock. i've got my little scorecard here and we've got a bipartisan agreement in the senate on one piece of this infrastructure bill. we now have the left side of the democratic party in full support of what bernie sanders has managed to accomplish in the senate budget committee on the $3.5 trillion democrats only package. you've heard from jon tester. senato

ah let's go back to georgia in budapest. well, england merkel, georgia is finally finally leaving the political stage. you know, i have to admit, i had a lot more hope for her in the beginning, mostly for the reason that she comes from eastern germany and i now you play in retrospect, i'll be honest with you about that. you could be more of a bridge, a beach for between east and west, and i was been proven disastrously wrong. ok. she's been in power a long time. and i think she leaves that pretty scanty legacy about a negative one. go ahead. george. very scanty legacy. it really what she's been about is just staying in power, not making any decisions and trying to have it both ways of old times. so she goes to. 2 washington law stripped washington. 5 and signed a washington declaration with joe biden, which others, the usual nato piety is about democracy and so on. but basically, what's most important, that name is the call of european security. she's actually here to that. and then she has the insolence to demand that russi

i mean go back to georgia, 2015. they opened the doors, the immigration to europe at that is, i think that is really the hallmark of history 100 years. now remember her that yes because of course it was the policy an absolute disaster in itself. but. 2 he led directly to the breast, and i mean, i have not been, she hadn't opened the door. the british was none of them to leave you. and that was a huge calamity for you because it helped fuel the orbit, who hunger. now, all of the europeans, a little tearing their hair, all this horrible, horrible person, you know, creative, you know, he sees on this issue. he was always the nationalist, but this was, that was, you know, meat and drink room with him is the things is that she lives every calamity. i mean, she bungled. also leave the energy policy because of the book. she mostly got to close down all the sort of the nuclear power plant. she said, okay, we're going to get rid of all the fossil fuel energy, the energy, which is one of the reasons why you move for this not s

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what interesting georgia is that remember samantha power, she lamented russia's use of the beat. and it's really quite incredible i would say to samantha, how it shows the system works because that's how it was supposed to work with the that was the whole point. that's why they put that in the veto. they don't want to do what they, why, and the legal nations rule that failed. so we can't do this again. you know, if you know this, this, this is hiding behind the close of democracy. but well, let's look at the record yugoslavia. let's look at iraq. let's look at syria, afghanistan, we go on and on. i mean, it's really quite incredible. there's this idea logical offensive his garnered very little games. ok. and ends in failure every single time. and we have, we have to buy administration actually doubling down on it and, and if you just pointed out in the 1st part of the program, no interest section whatsoever. why didn't work, go ahead. well, you're right. and not only did fail spectacularly in the, in libya or in a game where it's obvious. but it also failed the former soviet unio

i mean, let's go to georgia in budapest. well, georgia, russia always seems to be in the news one way or another. but it's an, it isn't a very different way. this time. vladimir putin, the russian president, penned to very, very long article, a very studied article. i would say about the relationship that russia has with ukraine. now it's a, it's that the kremlin dot r u website. it's in english, ukrainian, and of course, russian. it is a vocal enormous outcry and discussion and obviously criticism here. why did he write this article? what's it about and who was directed to go ahead? well, i think the reason he wrote the article is that he is very concerned about the recent development of the, particularly since my diamond 2014, mainly the use of ukraine as a battering ram against russia. and there's no sign of a bating, whoever is in the white house is continued to be used. and he wants to place in historic context this has gone on for quite a long time, russia and ukraine, the russians in the ukrainian people all want peop

you know, let me give you the example georgia nationalists. they decide that the, this is the moment to take the land from the minority just from their projects, from their seconds. they're terrible. first president gums have tried to do it and she failed. and i must, there was at the west change because the west had the gods to condemn gums that they didn't make one when they found mr. so i should be back with the ah finance guy. when customers go buy, you reduce the price didn't help. well, reduce the lower cutting, but what's good for food market? it's not good for the global economy. ah, is your media a reflection of reality? the in a world transformed what will make you feel safer? type relation or community? are you going the right way or are you being direct? what is truth is breaking in a world corrupted? you need to this end to join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. ah ah! welcome back across all things considered. peter, this is the home edition and to remind you were discussing some real news. ah, ah, okay, let's go back t

you know, let me give you the example of georgia nationalists. they decided that this is the moment to take the land from the minority just from their projects, from their seconds. they're terrible. first president gums have tried to do it and she failed. and i must, it was that the west change because the west had the gods to condemn gums or they didn't make one when they found mr. so i should be back by or within a go to a short break break. we'll continue our discussion and some real new stay with our ah ah, i just want to go through, i'm john that a little about money laundering person to ask you to see this and this is a good start. well, we have our 3 banks all set up here. maybe something in europe, something in america, something overseas. in the cayman islands, you never know all these banks are complicit in their club piper. so we just have to be mccall. hey, i'm ready to do some. there is my laundry. okay, let's see how we did. well, we've got a nice luxury watch for max and for safety. oh, beautiful jewelry. and how about like the aut

anything else is leading them into perilous conflict in georgia and the same? what does it prove to be in ukraine? i mean, it's never been thoughtfully explained. has been you, you can want to have more transparent senior government. you want to have a government that respects rights, basic rights that are expected around the world. but you have, but to have that you have to be anti russian. it never made any sense to me whatsoever. want to change gears a little bit. you know, you said you focused on europe and i think you're absolutely right. but not mistaken fema russians. good relations with japan, south korea, philippines, l. street. i mean they, there are no issues there, it's only in europe. ok. but then again, when you shifted to the east, there's a top prosy versus democracy argument called class. i think that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. it's only focused on europe at this point in time. go ahead humor . well, the night the states use the same argument against china. i mean it's, it's terrible. in the last few decades, china has been many in ties

they never do in georgia. what i think is very interesting here is that, why don't we approach it with, with great detail and a lot of research in time. and when i've been told we actually wrote in 2. but this is a intra family issue that is talking about here. when you look at, when you look at western policymakers, i think we from nato countries, their interest in ukraine or ukrainian is scans. it's best because your brain is from, from the western perspective, is a cudgel and burn the russian. i've always told this people, for many russians, ukraine is not a foreign policy issues, a domestic policy issue because of the familial relations they have people's relationship to the dom bout and even further into the a hander land of ukraine. and that's why it is so very important to russian for the west. it's just an idea. it's a policy, it's a go ahead. yes, that's exactly the point. and that's a point that makes the gain of the game in this article that the western. and he says, the western part, essentially ru

you know, let me give you the example of georgia nationalists. they decide that the, this is the moment to take the land from the minority just from their projects from their agents. they're terrible 1st president gun. so try to do it. and she failed. and i much there was at the west change because the west had the gods to condemn gums and they can make one when they found mr. so casually, we go to a short break break. we'll continue our discussion and some real new stay with our on the the ah, me rather driven by dreamer shape those in me i think we dare to ask me. ah, the the welcome x across are all things are considered. peter, this is a home addition and to remind you were discussing some real news. ah, ah, okay, let's go back to jim in moscow here. well, we went to a quick break here. you want to finish up your point. go ahead. so some of the 1st wave off was so it was, was in the ninety's, the by the 1994. the situation stabilized, you know, the tools was find in the car box, georgia for some time stop their attacks against the party. and

you know, let me give you the example of georgia nationalists. they decided that this is the moment to take the land from the minority just from their projects, from their seconds. they're terrible. first president gums have tried to do it and she failed. and i must, it was that the west change because the west had the gods to condemn gums or they didn't make you one when they found mr. so actually the better we have to go to a short break break, we'll continue our discussion and some real new stay with our ah ah ah ah, ah oh right now there are 2000000000 people who are overweight or obese. it's profitable to sell food. that is 20 and sugary, and the under the victim is not at the individual level. it's not individual willpower. and if we go on believing that will never change as obesity epidemic, that industry has been influencing very deeply. the medical and scientific establishment, ah, what's driving the mac, it's corporate, me or my phone are 69 months, and i just saw under the dollar a former isis fighters and they're now a boarding, a phi

you know, let me give you the example of georgia nationalists. they decided that this is the moment to take the land from the minority, from their projects, from their agents, their terrible 1st president. gums have tried to do it and she failed. and i must, it was that the west change because the west had the gods to condemn gums or they didn't make you one when they found mr. so actually the better we go to a short break break, we'll continue our discussion and some real new stay with our ah ah, join me every thursday on the alex simon show. when i was speaking to guess in the world, the politic sport business. i'm show business, i'll see you then me. i haven't been in my phone since i don't i just saw up the format isis fighters and now voting a philippine naval ship with 900 dollars. just aren't abdulla still don't know, watch waiting for them. can i get a hold of me . ready ready i welcome back. across all things considered. peter, this is the home edition and to remind you, we are discussing some real news. ah, ah okay, let's go back to jim

ok, i mean we get to georgia, take care. i like what i'm going to kind of re, jake, what demon just had to say, because i really liked it a lot. i don't, i don't, you know, joe biden is bought an idea log. okay. you may be locked in a secretary, not, not very bright on top of it, but he is hosted use a hostage to idea logs around him. ok. because if you know anything about him, i mean, he's basically, if you take away black lives matter and keep it all, but he's basically a liberal republican and he served that way all in the senate for half a century here. but that is my mind, my point is yours. you can be someone like trump that had certain basic instincts and inclinations that were very rarely formulated clearly. and then you have joe joe biden, which is basically he's, he's basically getting passage whoever has the, the power, because he saw what they did to trump. he doesn't want that to happen to him. ok. but nonetheless, it means he gives up his agenda. go ahead and george. yeah, it is very interesting. there is, ther

but it's really interesting, georgia for 5 years. this is their red ticket. and so we are there, you know, there's a new president and, and he wants to change why everything was going so well for careers were made. okay. you know, advancements, you know, cable news, the gigs and all of that. i mean they, they in an institutional way, i'm going to think collectively, really dishonest, but it's additionally this has been great me trade for them and why should change ok, go ahead. well, i think that the india, they don't want to change anything. there is the inertia, and that's really dangerous because it's a bad inertia. i mean, and sorry, i mean, i'm not going to court here what mike on pale and one of the american sectors of state recent decided that will be that, that would be see in the, you know, some control in boys in the west would say all your sprague, hatred, it was that was pure hate that you know what michael said about the china was buick agent. but if we go to parallels with terry and isn't just reminds me of how not to join them any, make up its