but ellen wanted to tell her truth and also have the character do so. >> ellen, are you coming out or not? >> yeah. quit jerking us around and come out already. >> come on. >> what is the big deal? i've got a whole hour. >> i don't think you can overstate what was at stake for ellen degeneres in terms of coming out. she'd had a fantastic career as a stand-up. she was having not just a tv but film career at the time. >> this pressure cooker had been just mounting, and her show really was what -- >> susan, i'm gay. >> it was an incredibly pivotal moment in television when ellen morgan, ellen degeneres's character, came out. and it coincided with ellen degeneres's own coming out, which was a brave thing to do when you're the lead of a sitcom. >> if it wasn't difficult, i would have done it a long time ago, and everybody else who's closeted who's in this business would do it. >> it really became a national event. >> that felt so great, and it felt so loud. >> she must have felt a huge relief. >> i mean she was us. she was america, but she just was gay. >> but conservative and religious or