i really appreciate benny thompson's statement today, that every option is owned table right now. there are going to get to the truth because it is their mandate. he is going to see that through, in a way that i think is going to be highly productive, but also important in understanding would happen in the lead up in wood gaps there are still remaining to ensure that this never happens again. >> on the other side of that, however, that equation, his kevin mccarthy and adam kinzinger said this about the gop later, tim, let me read from it, kevin gave a great speech the week after january six and that he went to mar-a-lago and charge the petals and brought trump back to life. that's the moment when i realized oh, man, this is a problem. i will certainly talk to kevin if he wants to. but i don't see how we're ever going to come eye to eye on this until there is a recognition that we can't be the party of insurrection. >> i mean, tim, this seems just one example of the fundamental question right now for the republican party, is that the party of trump and mccarthy or liz cheney and ki

and i appreciate bennie thompson saying, oh, we're not going for any written statements or compelling them to appear, we're going straight to subpoenas here because we know the doj has our back on this. >> leader mccarthy, i think we've got this sound for you, michael, was asked about potentially being subpoenaed. here is what he said. >> reporter: is it your position, the conference's position, to fight any subpoenas that may be issued against republican members including yourself? >> i think if they had, uh, the five members that, uh, we, the republicans, want to put on there, we would gladly go. but this is going to be the dccc. we see it as a sham, it's not serious. >> i get that's a no, michael? >> kevin, kevin, kevin. kevin. if you had taken this seriously and actually added five reputable republicans, and there are those who serve in that body, at least two of them are currently on the committee, if you had taken it seriously, you would probably have a different posture, but you didn't. kevin is just doing what kevin does here. you know, i think juanita is exactly right, democr

january 6th committee bennie thompson making a plea on msnbc. >> i hope the senate works its wheel so we can keep people employed, we can continue to secure the capitol and give our opportunity of a committee review of exactly what went wrong on january 6th. we are concerned about it. >> we're also getting a brand new look at the violence that unfolded during the capitol riot as the justice department releases new video evidence. the doj making this footage public at the request of msnbc and other news organizations, and again we're warning you, it's violent and graphic. [ bleep ]. >> wow, just the relentness beatings. let's go to nbc's amanda golden joining us from capitol hill. what is the mood around the capitol as the fencing is coming down? >> reporter: alex, in stark contrast to the footage we just saw, there is a lot of relief, a lot of joy around the fencing finally coming down here at the capitol. we're seeing for the first time people being able to go up into the courtyard where you can then on the other side see the supreme court and then face the capitol on the other side.

thompson told the guardian, the actions of former president trump, his administration officials and lawmakers will all be part of this inquiry. white house has set its support to speaker on all of this, and this evening during a cnn town hall in cincinnati the president talked about the capitol riot, and the danger of these conspiracy theories. >> i don't care if you think i am satan reincarnated. the fact is, you can't look at that television and say nothing happened on the sixth. you can't listen to people who say this was a peaceful march. some of the stuff, i mean, qanon, the idea that the democrats or that biden is hiding people and sucking the blood of children. i'm serious. now you may not like me, and that is your right, but the kinds of things that are being said of late, i think we're beginning to see this -- and democrats as well, the venom leak out of a lot of it. we have to get beyond this. >> meanwhile, a big piece of biden's agenda has been temporarily block in the senate, it's a mess like everything in the senate. republicans all voted to oppose a test vote on the bi

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i spoke with the chairman of that committee, congressman bennie thompson a bit earlier today. here's what he told me. >> well, the good part about this committee is the speaker determines its ultimate membership. if minuterity leader mccarthy comes with individuals who demonstrated that they are living in a false world around january 6th, it's not in anyone's interests for those individuals to serve. >> a live look at cpac in dallas, texas, where donald trumpl take the stage later on this afternoon. we go now beyond the headlines of nbc's josh letterman. he's with the president in wilmington ton, delaware, and amanda golden. good to see you. josh, with president biden heading to philadelphia tuesday, what exactly does he hope to accomplish there? >> well, the president has a tough task ahead in that speech. he has the calm the waters of growing impishs from civil rights and voting rights activists who say he is not yet doing enough to make sure that voter rights are protected ahead of next i don't remember's election. that is exactly what the president heard on thursday when h

i appreciate bennie thompson saying we're not going for any with this statement or compelling them to appear, we're actually going straight to subpoenas here, because we know the doj has our back on this. >> actually, leader mccarthy and i think we have the sound for you, michael, was asked about potentially being subpoenaed, here is what he said. >> is that your position, the conference position, to fight any subpoena that may be issued against republican members including yourself? >> i think that if they had -- the five members, that we the republicans wanted to put up their wanted to go, if it's gonna be a sham, it's not something serious. >> so that's a no, michael? >> kevin, kevin, kevin, kevin. if you had taken this seriously, and actually added five reputable republicans and there are those who serve in that body at least two of them are currently on the committee, if you had taken this seriously, you're probably would have a different posture, but you didn't. kevin as just doing what kevin does here. i think juanita is exactly right. democrats don't need to put a lot of hope

benny thompson, democrat of mississippi writes in an opinion piece for the "washington post" -- >> the first witnesses will be police officers who suffered vicious assaults as they fought to protect the complex and lawmakers on that day. speaker pelosi appointed adam kinzinger of illinois to join republican liz cheney and seven democrats to investigate the attack by trump supporters that wanted to stop the democratic process of certifying joe biden's win. cheney and kinzinger voted in favor of impeaching trump following the riot and were the only republican committees to support the formation last month. house republican leader kevin mccarthy mocked the two members of the caucus for agreeing to be a part of the panel. >> some republicans have been saying that the gop should play ball on this committee. >> who is that adam and liz? aren't they pelosi republicans? >> it is childish. we are doing big things right now. we are getting to the answers of the worst attack on the capitol since the war of 1812. he can call me whatever names he wants. look, bottom line i am an elected member of c

thompson from him in writing that op-ed tonight saying look, nothing is off limits and i guess that begs the question, what exactly does that mean, yamiche? >> well that's a good question. i was on the white house won today in the rose garden talking specifically to house majority leader cindy hoyer about that exact topic. now of course, he isn't on the committee but he essentially is wanting to talk to people who are in the room with president trump and that would include people like chief of staff mark meadows, in his children, it would include other white house officials and lawmakers like jim jordan and kevin mccarthy who kevin mccarthy and my reporting another reporting shows was on the phone with president trump as he was watching tv and liking in some part when he was seeing. kevin mccarthy was yelling at him to do more. all of those players or people that might want to call. but i have been talking about -- and i've been getting interesting reporting because they were also worried about executive privilege which means that when there are people who are so close like beat the

chairman bennie thompson telling msnbc those hearings will start either july 21st or 22nd, and telling my colleague tiffany cross what the first hearings will focus on. >> the first committee hearing will be, we'll talk to the rank and file employees who had to fight some of these people off on that day. we will talk to the custodial help who had to clean the mess up after we got the people out of the capitol. none of these people have been talked to, so we want -- >> right. >> -- to set the tone. we want to set the tone for our committee's work, that we care about the employees who work every day in the capitol. >> and overnight the first high-profile firing of the biden administration. andrew saul, the head of the social security administration and a trump-era holdover. the white house saying saul's actions ran contrary to the agency's mission. saul, however, rejecting the move, saying his term was protected and telling "the washington post" he plans to be back at work on monday morning. let's go to nbc's josh letterman standing by for us in wilmington, delaware. josh, clearly andrew

we heard from congressman benny thompson just yesterday on air, he's going to chair the committee, speaking into what the committee is hoping to do with their power. take a listen. >> the view you are showing right now is what all of america saw. but what our challenge is, is to look and see what caused this to happen, to see where the systems broke down. not to just let people walk through the united states capitol, but why we were not better prepared when this breach occurred. >> reporter: lindsay, as you heard, democrats want to get to work. it's been nearly seven months since january 6th. what this committee is hoping to do is ultimately produce a report that's a mix of both public hearings and closed-door depositions and that's going to start with a public testimony from capitol hill police officers into what they experienced during that deadly day. that could be happening very soon. but democrats are not waiting to see how and if republicans are going to fill those remaining seats on the committee. they're ready to get to work and they have a quorum to do so. >> amanda golden, thank y

bennie thompson praising the move on msnbc earlier. >> the congressman is a welcome addition to the committee. he demonstrated that he can express his opinion despite what some of his republican colleagues might want him not to express. so an independent voice to this select committee is always welcome. >> joining me now is illinois congressman mike quickly a democratic member of the house appropriations and intelligence committees. always good to see you my friend. let's get into this. what's your reaction to adam kinzinger being added to this committee? and do you want to see more republicans appointed? >> i think it is a great pick. want to see more republicans appointed but as you know, it is a small pool that could qualify. only as -- as miss cheney said only 35 voted for an independent commission. and so many have respoken the big lie and voted against measures that would change this, like a defense supplemental. i would like to see more republicans but i think it takes more republicans willing to choose country over party and truth over power. ed isly, there is just not that big a grou

thompson, spoke on our air earlier today to give us a look at what the panel is going to seek to do in the coming weeks. >> the first committee hearing, we'll talk to the rank and file employees who had to fight some of these people off on that day. we'll talk to the custodial help who had to clean the mess up after we got the people out of the capitol. none of these people have been talked to. so we want to set the tone. we want to set the tone for our committee's work that we care about the employees who work every day in the capitol. >> reporter: and congressman thompson said earlier on our air yesterday that they intend to hold that first hearing as early as july 21st or 22nd, and as he noted there, really focusing on the capitol police force and those additional support workers that had that experience themselves on january 6th, alex. >> amanda golden, thank you so much. >>> let's go from there to a new court filing, this by the doj, that names donald trump, siting his false election claims in a legal argument to keep monitoring an accused capitol rioter. federal prosecutors re

thompson on whether president trump will be subpoenaed to testify. >> i am prepared to subpoena anyone who is identified based on the facts and circumstances behind january 6. >> let's go to monica alba. monica, there is a big event planned there tonight. people will be able to get much closer to the white house than they have in a long time. what can you tell us about what's different today? >> reporter: this is new, lindsey. if the crowd in front of the white house can hear the sound checks going on on the south lawn, i think way more people will be tuning in than we previously thought. and that's because the u.s. secret service has removed the fencing and the barricades that once stood right in front of that tall fence in front of the north lawn where i am here because for more than a year due to security reasons, the pandemic, and also some construction on this fence, people could not get as close as they are right now. so this is a shift sort of sending a signal, really, that we are getting back to some version of normal. of course, nothing is pre-pandemic levels yet but that is s

but as we have heard previously from the chairman of this committee, that's congressman bennie thompson, he said the scope of it, no one is off limits, that they will proceed and follow the facts as requires, that no one would be off limits from a potential subpoena. that includes former administration officials, potentially former president donald trump. it was telling in your conversation just last hour with democratic congressman eric swalwell, speaking to what he hopes the select committee can really uncover here, especially as it relates to the former president's role. >> what did he know as the mob was descending on the capitol and what did he do and not do that could have saved life and saved democracy? for the first time in our country's history, we are not able to say that we had a peaceful transition of power. there was an attempted coup. hundreds of the president's supporters made their way into the capitol. i and others left the floor and stopped counting. a capitol police officer was killed. two others would take their own lives days later. hundreds were injured. officers l

benny thompson, the chair of the committee, called mr. kinzinger a fine representative and the type of person who would be good for this committee. speaker pelosi a couple of days ago joked that everyone else seems to think he would be good. the bottom line is this is a decision for the speaker and the speaker alone to make and she's not given any indication that she will add new members to the committee. the eight appointees of hers are a quorum. they will have their first hearing on tuesday. and the reason for all of this, the speaker and many democrats want to bolster the bipartisan credentials of this committee to maximize the chances that the american public trusts its finding. you recently had congressman marc veasey on. i want to play some of what he said about that. >> we want this to be something that all americans can have faith in, we want all americans to see democrats and republicans on this panel asking real questions, not being sensational or silly, like oftentimes you'll see jordan do and how you see banks, when he says, y

you know, select committee chair bennie thompson told us yesterday that, you know, we could expect to see quite a few subpoenas coming out very soon, but the select committee and all of these other investigative committees are still figuring out who exactly they will call to testify. for that matter, who might even be a cooperative witness. >> uh-huh. again, that was a list from "mother jones." let me ask you quickly a couple of names, legislators. kevin mccarthy, paul goesse earth, andy biggs, mo brooks, tommy tuberville. having lawmakers testify would be unprecedented. any sense this might happen, that any members of the gop are willing to testify before this committee? >> well, the committee could certainly try to subpoena some of these lawmakers, but, again, you know, we are getting into somewhat uncharted territory where a committee would actually regard a fellow lawmaker to be, as some of them have called, a material witness to what happened on january 6th. so, yes, certainly there's been some interest in calling people like kevin mccarthy, like jim jordan, both of whom spoke to

. >> i want to talk about chairman benny thompson saying subpoenas are coming soon, laura, this is right up your ally here. liz cheney said they should be issued quickly and the justice department is saying former d.o.j. officials can testify, the department will not assert executive privilege. which top officials will be among the first called? could it be the president should be called or will be called? >> i think -- >> the former president. >> i think he should be called and jeffrey are rosen. what the dorj .o.j. would have assert, is why it's a significant thing, remember, you are saying, in order to have transparency and a full investigation, i have to premove the hurdles and people saying i don't care what uyou want to hear, i don't have to tell you. that hurdle is being over come, saying you can speak freely about what it is that you know about the es. if you know the who, what, when, where, why, the paper trail, if you know something different than what your oath of office should have been or otherwise, lets us know. it's a level of transparency that we need here. >> give me a b

your colleague bennie thompson says that evidence is necessary to produce a report. how are you going to figure out what was said on that call? >> as chairman thompson said, everything is on the table. we really have to dig in deep into all of the events that happened that day. and, you know, i can't say every witness or everything that we will move forward with in the investigation, but we will examine all of the facts and where those facts take us, we will draw from that to come to the conclusions for the committee. >> okay. speaking of witnesses, are you willing to subpoena the former president or people close to him to get answers? >> don, like i said, and like chairman thompson has said, and going into this, everything is on the table. the committee is just now coming together, coming up with a plan, waiting for our additional members. i think we're all here because we took an oath as members of congress, i did, the first time when i was 17, and spent two decades in uniform. we truly think that that oath to protect the constitution against all enemies foreign an

the chairman benny thompson who says the committee will issue subpoenas soon without resorting to writing letters asking for voluntary information says we cannot let the liars and cheaters win. >> we did not ask for this, for the house of representatives did its job to give this country its first peaceful transfer of power. and we'll do our job now to make sure the peaceful transfer of power remains a pillar of our democracy. we cannot allow ourselves to be undone by liars and cheaters. >> liz cheney one of two republicans on the committee says that we need to know the truth about every meeting, every conversation, every phone call leading up to and during the attack. >> we must know what happened here at the capitol. we must also know what happened every minute of that day in the white house. every phone call, every conversation, every meeting leading up to, during and after the attack. honorable men and women have an obligation to step forward. >> you will hear more from liz cheney a little bit later on in this show as well as from other republicans on the committee or the other republi

bennie thompson, the chair of the committee, has worked with republicans as chair of the homeland security committee. he told me he will work hard to enforce the rules and make sure this committee sticks to their intended goals and that is finding answers as to what happened on january 6. they'll go wherever they need, that could ultimately mean calling someone who is on the committee to come forward as a witness, including jim jordan, kevin mccarthy, or even donald trump. >> and there we go. thank you very much, ryan nobles, i appreciate that. kirstin powers and former republican congressman denver riggleman, good evening to both of you. denver, what do you think of mccarthy's picks for this select committee, are you surprised he actually chose two people who voted to certify the election results? >> i was pleasantly surprised. i think there's a good faith effort with kelly and rodney, i know them very well, they're very good people. i have a feeling kelly's background is legal, recordny has -- rodney has been there a long time. i wasn't surprised about jim jordan being chosen either. it

democrats are saying -- bennie thompson said, look, they're simply trying to muddy the waters. this is not going to be a committee that is going to independently look at this. it's going to be another washington sort of drag-out fight. being out here in the country, one thing is clear. people are not interested in another food fight in washington regardless of what side you're on. but that is what sounds like is coming down the way. >> quite frankly it's a desperate attempt because it's hard to change the narrative when we have so many images coming out. >> and arrests. >> and none of them mention nancy pelosi except that they don't like her and they stuck their feet up on top of her desk. thank you very much. >>> i want to turn now to "washington post" investigative reporter carol leonnig. so happy to have her here. she's the co-author of the explosive new book "i alone can fix it: donald j. trump's catastrophic final year." again, so good to see you again. thank you so much, carol. listen, there are so many details from your book that we need to discuss. but i want to start w

. >> i want to talk about chairman bennie thompson saying that subpoenas are coming soon, laura. this is right up your alley here. liz cheney said they should be issued quickly. the justice department is saying former doj officials can testify. the department won't assert executive privilege. so which top officials are likely to be among the first called? you think the president should be called or will be called? the former president? >> i think he should be called. i think jeffrey rosen. i think others. remember, the executive privilege in terms of what the doj members would have to assert or be able to no longer have to assert -- so the notion here and why this is such a significant thing is, remember, you're saying in order to have transparency, in order to have a full, holistic investigation, i have to remove the hurdles of people saying, i don't care what you want to hear. i don't have to tell you anything. that does not bode well on the integrity of the department if there's no real basis for it. but also it's a hurdle that now is being overcome by the decision to say, you

bennie thompson, who is the chairman from mississippi, is a serious individual. he's worked with republicans and democrats for a long time in his capacity as chair of the homeland security committee. he told me today that he is going to work hard to enforce the rules and make sure that this committee sticks to their intended goals, and that is finding answers as to what happened on january 6th. and they're going to go wherever they need to find those answers. that could ultimately even mean calling someone who's on the committee, jim jordan, to come forward as a witness. that's a real possibility, including the possibility of kevin mccarthy and maybe even donald trump being called in front of this committee. >> thank you very much, ryan nobles. i appreciate that. joining me now, cnn senior political analyst kirsten powers and former republican congressman denver riggleman. good evening to both of you. so, denver, what do you think of mccarthy's picks for this select committee? are you surprised that he actually chose two people who voted to certify the election r

bennie thompson, excuse me. she talked, today, about how, in her view, this is bigger than politics. >> um, and a really important opportunity to remind everybody about the necessity of accountability. for what happened. for making sure that it never happens, again. >> accountability. accountability. accountability. that's what all this is supposed to be about. yet, kevin mccarthy, who just days after the attack on -- on the capitol, said that the then-president bore responsibility. now, he is calling liz cheney and adam kinzinger pelosi republicans. kinzinger called that childish. pointed out it was republicans, actually, who killed the independent commission in the senate. listen. >> we had an opportunity for a 5-5 commission that didn't even include members of congress. then, at every junction, it kept getting blocked, despite that we negotiated the 5-5. and so, it's become obvious that there are some that just, simply, don't want answers. and that, to me, is unacceptable. >> people don't want the truth. ther